The administration of a university being complete morally bankrupt? Imagine that, would have never thought of it for the industry that feels 100% entitled to raise their prices 5-10% per year via extortion of the consumer.

With that in mind, this Behavior cannot be uncommon. Think about it.

Debtpie, seems you think this mess is about the 1%. If you took the 1% out of the country, I suspect it would collapse. This is about the politically connected sucking the blood out of the rest of society. I would suspect that most of the 1% are what makes the country go, innovates and provides what they earn for society to grow and use. Everything they own stays with us when we die. That is not true of the politically connected, including the FSA, which are more akin to termites in our houses. My problem isn't bankers. It is the endowment given them by the government to run a ponzi scheme, where they get the profits and we get the bill. Most of the 1% provide a service and we choose to use it, whether it be a cleaning service, the operating system in your PC or a new car. GM was the largest private industrial concern on Earth when I was a kid. It went broke because the government sucked it dry through power given unions and regulaton along with management that just went along down the skids. It was bailed out at a cost that won't be recovered soon, in order to support a Democratic political plum, the UAW.

There seems to be an attitude out there that the gluttons are the driver of the economy. If they get hungry, steal some money and give it to them. I highly doubt the government invented the method to put our pants on in the morning. There are a lot of people here that are part of the 1% or have been, including the self made man that runs this site. Most of them got there by putting their money and time into their businesses and I suspect not looking like they had a million the first time they got a good check. The multi-millionaires I have known, the guys that could retire and never miss a beat, rarely bought a new car, live in fairly modest homes and risk all they have for their endeavors.

There was no question at all that Penn State and Paterno knew about this all along. You couldn't take a***** in the locker room at PSU without Joe knowing about it.

You're welcome to join the pre-2000 alumni of the Dickinson School of Law who already despise Penn State for lying its way into a merger and then its treatment of the law school. We've been boycotting PSU for a decade. Hate those bastards. I knew you couldn't trust them the minute they broke their first promise to DSL, which was about three minutes after the merger was finalized.

How exactly can you blame or have anything against the students and professors at Penn State who had no idea the sexual abuse was even happening? If you want to dismantle the Football program, fine. But breaking apart the whole institution, sending very bright people packing is completely asinine.

This such rhetoric is so childish it's like someone from Niceville killing two people in Tallahassee, then having people from Little Rock screaming, "burn down Niceville! I will never go to Niceville EVER!"

Kids these days. Grow up already.

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How exactly can you blame or have anything against the students and professors at Penn State who had no idea the sexual abuse was even happening? If you want to dismantle the Football program, fine. But breaking apart the whole institution, sending very bright people packing is completely asinine.

They paid for it. Where the hell do you think the money came from?

And, they're not penitent either -- just like you aren't.

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They paid for it. Where the hell do you think the money came from?

Well you pay taxes, don't you?

Brush, if I was going to Penn State when this news broke, I would have withdrawn immediately and gone somewhere else. The fact that students are still going there says a lot about their character, and not someone you want to hire for your business.

Briar wrote..

You're welcome to join the pre-2000 alumni of the Dickinson School of Law who already despise Penn State

Sign me up, Briar! I feel betrayed and hoodwinked by these sheisters.

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Brush, if I was going to Penn State when this news broke, I would have withdrawn immediately and gone somewhere else. The fact that students are still going there says a lot about their character, and not someone you want to hire for your business.

Personally, I think the only thing it says is that they don't blow things out of proportion, or follow the guilty by association notion. Whether they should is up to them. If the opinion of the majority is that of the consensus on this board, then they probably should disenroll and find another university. But unfortunately for many here, Penn State still offers some of the brightest minds in various scientific fields in the country, apart from Mr. Mann.

You mean there is a school associated with this sports franchise?

Yes, the brightest minds countenance butt****ing little kids.

Hitler was a very bright man too.

You live in State College brush...you swim in the Kool Aid. Hard to take you seriously. Step back a bit.

Well, then I blame Genesis for the Mark Foley incident. I mean, only fair, right? He paid Federal taxes, is a resident of Florida, et cetera.

You see, if you throw away common sense, every single person in the country should be blamed for something like this.

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You live in State College brush...you swim in the Kool Aid. Hard to take you seriously. Step back a bit.

I actually do not, and have no respect for Paterno whatsoever.

This has way more to do with Penn State culture than Paterno. Hard to believe the donations are at all time highs in spite of this. Like good Catholics helping the church when the priests molested the altar boys and covered it up.

I love it.

When it comes to the group that some associate with its zomg STFU its a flesh would, a minor glitch. An Isolated Incident

The rest of the fine institution is 100% A-OK !

And ya'll wonder why politicians run rampant over everything? It the same mentality that enables them. The same willing to forgive the unforgivable. The same rationalizations, the same excuses.

Tell me what is the incentive for an organization to not do the same thing again when the kool aid contingent just gives them a pass? Yea exactly.

One would think that sexual abuse would be a line, but apparently its meh whatever. So Congrats people. You sure showed the rest of us. The pride you show to belong/associate to an organization they systemically covered this up is un-bounded !

Rah Rah Rah

Be good little penn state'ites and don't forget to buy your swag at the college store.

Together we can prevail !

It's the lack of response that makes you crazy. When Joe was leaving everyone was out showing support. With this no one cares at all.
The students could protest, or refuse to go to classes or write letters or something. . Hell skip a week of classes, a day in solidarity with the victims.
It's priorities; and apparently neither the kids involved nor learning that their university was involved matters. Just buisness as usual.
Thats why the students should also held accountable. They are the biggest supporters. Only the students paying tuition can force the issue, and if they dont care why should the administrators.

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Somebody needs to puch Joe Pa in the face. I don't care how old he is!

or if he's dead, lol.

I still don't understand such a harsh position to all PSU people that knew nothing about this and earned a degree (I don't know anyone from PSU, never worked with anyone from there, etc.) I just can't wrap my head around your position.

I guess if I went to PSU and was abused by these monsters(I consider all that knew and covered this up as guilty as Sandusky), in your world I'd be ****ed twice.

Call me a piece of **** now or ban me for life because I don't agree.

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I remember that it was said that Joe Pa actually kept very little of his salary and instead donated most back to the school. At first blush it appeared very charitable, and brought him a lot of credibility by the PSU faithful, however w/ these developments, I wonder if it was not more guilt driven

I doubt it. Probably didn't need the money

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It the same mentality that enables them. The same willing to forgive the unforgivable. The same rationalizations, the same excuses.

See my sig.

Randy....it's worse than that. The donations are at record levels *because* of this.

The Penn Staters around here in business *do* walk around like they're Stepford Wives; I've always thought it was more than just a bit over the top.

Someone here mentioned on a thread that it was 'cult-like' behavior; I go a step further; it *is* a cult. It's more than just rabid college football following behavior ala the SEC; there's an oddness to it that I could never explain.

I have hired a few people; but I've never hired a Penn Stater-They won't hire me. I have qualifications out the wazoo, but I didn't have PSU on the resume. They only associate with each other. They only hire each other.

They are so immersed in being Penn Staters, it's like they want to take 'Happy Valley' (seems like an ironic name now, eh?) with them wherever they go. Surrounding themselves with only PSU Alum in their professional careers keeps them 'in the bubble'.

It had/(has?) everything a cult would have. A high priest (now martyred) JoePa; a central internal ritual that is exclusive to outsiders (PSU Football); a chant (WE ARE...PENN STATE!!!).

What you are witnessing is Cult behavior. That's why it doesn't make sense; and why they can't see what everyone else sees.

This whole mess just confirms for me what that oddness always was.

guess I better throw my Nike's away too...

joe's family just collected his pension a couple of weeks ago, 13 million i think

I really do not buy this condemnation of a whole university based on the crimes of some coaches and administrators.

I attended a major state university in the 1960s. As best as I can remember, I attended two football games and one basketball game. I did not know the name of any coaches or administrators other than the university president.

Had these crimes happened at my school, I would now be a pariah and my degree rubbish by your reasoning.

The US Congress, Executive branch, and so many alphabet soup entities ... have done more actual harm to minors, seniors, infants, and all nature of persons ... on an actual basis and even percentage basis, then PSU has even done. Get over it, there is noting your words or anger will accomplish. It would be like asking for congress to dissolve and that the rule of law had no meaning to you, because of the acts of some degenerates. Saying a degree from PSU is prejudicial because of what went on is like saying US citizenship is prejudicial because of what certain degenerates in our government have done.

I didn't go to PSU, think what happened there by the degenerates was immoral and criminal; but to cast a net over every student and faculty that has walked through the campus is no different than casting a net over every citizen from the past 200 years for the acts of their elected and appointed degenerates [in my opinion Native American genocide is worse than whatever happened to the PSU student body, and I would bet that worse things are being done to US citizens by those placed to look for their welfare this minute than ever occurred at PSU] .