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His reluctance to get us involved in any more wars

As Pika-steph said above, umm... Libya?

What about all the sabre-rattling over Iran - that ship has yet to sail,

And this whole Syria mess has yet to play out.

**** voting and START SHOOTING!

Debtpie, convictions are not the stuff of fairy tales, fabricated to give meaning to life. They really do exist and really are purposeful, in spite of what The Party might suggest.

Anyone who claims to understand what is discussed here and then turns around and tries to justify supporting these establishment candidates is either a liar or a coward. That game is beyond played out.

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As Pika-steph said above, umm... Libya?

What about all the sabre-rattling over Iran - that ship has yet to sail,

And this whole Syria mess has yet to play out.

Obama is perfectly happy to get the US involved in wars - but only where the fighting is GUARANTEED to harm US interests.

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What about all the sabre-rattling over Iran - that ship has yet to sail,

Not yet, but my carrier deploys next month, with me on it, with destination Iran tattooed on the fantail...

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Standing by can be a bad thing, but so far it's been the right thing to do; A+ Obama.

We weren't exactly standing idle in Egypt either.

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You always have the choice of not voting at all, thus not giving your share of legitimacy to either crook #1 or crook #2.

If everyone does that, the day would come when 95% of those eligible to vote would abstain, and the "winner" would have 2% of the votes, the runner-up 1.5% etc etc.

In that situation - now, granted, I don't know US election rules, being north of the Canadian border myself, and from Europe originally - but either the entire election will be invalid, or if they still say it's valid and the candidate #1 gets to be the president it would be such an obvious farce that no one in the world (and in the US) could believe that that person represents the will of the people.

If you abstain your vote wasted, and not part of those counted (usually its 50% +1 of the votes cast...) Better to vote for a third party than not to vote

I had a go around with my buddy last week. Me I'm not a fan of Mittens, and it's obvious that not only is the republican party a good old boys club, but that there is no difference between the parties.

He started in with an eye roll and a "I know you think third party, but a third party can't win. You're just wasting your vote. So you may as well vote for Mittens".

Yeah that's what MSM and everyone who has a vested interest in this charade says to keep you from ever considering another option.

So I said "Look, Washington state votes democratic for president every time. So you might was well vote for Obama because by your logic, he's the only one who has a chance of winning. A vote for Mittens in a wasted vote here in WA. If you really want to affect change you need to move to a state where the vote is close".

The logic finally got through.

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If you abstain your vote wasted, and not part of those counted (usually its 50% +1 of the votes cast...) Better to vote for a third party than not to vote

Are you telling me that in US elections there is no quorum requirement? No minimum amount of votes in order to consider the elections valid?

That is correct.

I don't think a quorum is required in each state election (for the electors of the electoral college)

The house and Senate can bicker about the electoral college votes, and those votes do require a quorum.

if only five people vote my guess is that the courts will throw out the election.

Of course the Constitution is considered a radical ideology. That old out of date piece of toilet paper? Why we don't even pay attention to that archaic piece of nonsense written 200 years ago.

This is the New Age! And only we enlightened ones can govern you through these dark times. Together, with our judicial "living document" brethren we'll bring peace and prosperity to all people within this land.

Once we've successfully made that vestige of a bygone era, that relic of the past, done and gone. Why the sky is the limit on what we can do and achieve! All it takes, is your silent obedient consent. Just keep voting for the choices we give you, and accept the fact you have no real choice. Because we know better, and you should trust us.

Unknownsailor: Good luck, and however much I might disagree with the people driving policy, I thank you.

I heard a guy say once that the government is desperate for at least 50% to vote for President, lest the process lose its validity. I would suspect if only 30% showed up, they would invent ballots for the remaining 20% they need.

As far as voting for Obama? The guy is a known Communist or at least statist socialist, which is the same thing in my book. I just received solicitation from the National Right to Work Committee, an organization in war against the forced paying of union dues for the purpose of political donations and action. Obama has end run almost every victory these guys have made in court. He has unlawfully appointed the cronies of unions to make rules. The unions have attempted to force unionize everyone that participates in delivering government paid services, including what are clearly private businesses and in many cases self employed workers. This is akin to mafia/thug extortion on the population, a condition that would not be tolerated in any other situation and the people of the various states, localities and the US itself are getting billed for this extortion. If the guy was otherwise Mother Theresa, he would be intollerable. We are already in an intollerable situation. Obama is making direct efforts to institutionalize the Greek and French system in America, thus denying the rest of us any solution. Mittens will likely blow the bankers along with Obama and other predecessors, but I doubt he will continue this public looting policy.

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If the people of Michigan send her to Washington in preference to Kerry Bentivolio the state needs to be sawed off at the Ohio and Indiana line and deeded to Canada.

Can I have the UP?

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More public and spectacular on the national scene has been the 2009 election in 23th Congressional District of New York. The moderate Republican incumbent was appointed to an office in the Obama Administration, so there was a special election to fill the seat. The New York Republican establishment, behind closed doors, decided to run State Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava, whose voting record, according to the Wall Street Journal (11/2/2009), was "to the left of many Democrats." She was then endorsed by Newt Gingrich and other establishment Republicans; but the Conservative Party candidate, Doug Hoffman, was endorsed by Conservatives, like Sarah Palin. It soon became clear that Hoffman would split the Republican vote and Scozzafava could not win. She dropped out of the race. But did she endorse Hoffman? Oh no. She endorsed the Democrat! According to Rush Limbaugh, this exposes the RINO's for what they really are -- Democrats. Scozzafava has behaved exactly like a sleeper agent or a double agent for the Democrat Party. When the Democrats in Congress are ready to pass socialized medicine and other outrages, this is the most despicable stab-in-the-back disloyalty since Arlen Spector. Since the Democrat then won the seat (for the first time in a century, even while Republicans won the governor's races in New Jersey and Virginia), Scozzafava perhaps can hope for some kind of Red Star commendation from the Democrats for her disloyalty.

http://www.friesian.com/satan.htm

Most 'Republican' politicians are statists whether they realize it or not, and statists, like other kinds of ants, know each other by smell. The party affiliation or political label (progressive, conservative, liberal, socialist) is irrelevant.

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If you abstain your vote wasted, and not part of those counted (usually its 50% +1 of the votes cast...) Better to vote for a third party than not to vote

Every time I think about voting, I can't find anyone who represents my understanding of proper government. And I won't hold my nose and legitimize someone whose policies are just plain wrong.

Have you ever heard a politician, having just been elected, say: "The people have spoken" or "I have a mandate"? See, they think that because someone voted for them, that their ****ed-up policies are actually supported by those who voted for them. They have no way of knowing why anyone voted for them or if those who did actually support their stated policies.

And that's all part of the game.

Asomiv, I thank you. I hope there is a country to come back to. :(
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