Wait: Somebody Committed Crimes? (Gary Johnson)
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Posted 2012-07-06 10:41
by Karl Denninger
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Wait: Somebody Committed Crimes? (Gary Johnson)
 

Well blow me down.

This morning Gary Johnson was on the 1787 Radio Network.  I didn't catch the front of the show, but will go through the entire thing later when it pops up as a podcast.

But, Gary Johnson effectively walked back from his claim at the Orlando Libertarian Convention in which he said "Nobody committed any crimes" in relationship to the financial collapse.  Now he says he believes that there may have been crimes, and they should absolutely be investigated and, if evidence is present, prosecuted.

And while he claimed he was "misquoted" (rather than simply saying "I was wrong", which would be more accurate -- anyone who was actually there and saw not only the performance, in context, but in addition witnessed Rob Harrington confront him on the floor immediately after the debate -- where he reiterated what he had said on-stage -- could not possibly believe that my often-used clip was a misquote) the fact remains that a position change is in fact a change in position.

More-importantly I heard a not-full-throated, but at least weak, support for One Dollar of Capital -- and/or it's half-blood (even if rather pretty) sister, Glass-Steagall.

This, if you recall, was something that I reported that Gary rejected out of hand while I was in his suite in Orlando, asking him this very question.

Governor Johnson doesn't appear to yet "get it" that implementing this standard is not about "new regulation" (which I suspect is what makes him uncomfortable with it, along with some other Libertarians) -- it is about prohibiting fraud in the form of effective counterfeiting of the nation's currency.

Is this enough for me to issue a full-throated endorsement?  Not yet; the two remaining places that I believe the Libertarian Party must address are:

  • The medical system must have removed the cost-shifts and mandates that are forcing costs higher.  I've written on this repeatedly; you cannot fix medical entitlements as the problem doesn't lie there -- the medical entitlement mess is a symptom rather than a cause.  EMTALA must be repealed and the laws protecting the medical industry that allow it to effectively extort 2, 3, 5 or even 10 times as much money form one patient as another simply based on how they're paying must go away.  The market will fix the problem if the market is allowed to work (you'll never be able to sell a drug for $2 in Canada and $20 here if I can buy it in Canada and bring it across the border, selling it for $2.50!)

  • The withdrawal from our military adventurism is largely about protecting energy access.  Therefore, if we stop that (and we must, both for ethical and financial reasons) we must at the same time address the energy problem or our economy will instantly collapse.  I've also written on this repeatedly and there are solutions.  We can implement them.  Gary Johnson and the Libertarian Party doesn't appear to understand this connection, or if they do, they're unable to articulate both the connection and that we can resolve it.

But the more I hear, the more it appears that Governor Johnson is figuring it out.   And while I disagree with Gary Johnson on the "gay marriage" issue (the correct and Libertarian solution is to remove the government from marriage entirely, not "insert" it into yet more people's lives!) that's a secondary issue -- the primary ones, from my perspective (and in my view the issues that will decide the election) are economic.

Gary has come to understand that deficit spending cannot continue; doing so will lead to a bond market and economic collapse. 

I actually heard him say that in plain English, on the air.

From an understanding of what's actually happening and will come all else, if you are intelligent, will ultimately follow once you put sufficient thought into the scope of the problem.

The tide is turning.... and so is my view on Gary Johnson -- in the favorable direction.

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Hmmm....this reminds me of the old training technique...."Polly want a cracker?"
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Percent of vote by party in prez elections:

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa580.pdf

1988 1992 1996 2000 2004
Democratic candidate 26 32 29 20 38
Republican candidate 74 35 58 72 59
Third-party candidates 0 33 13 8 3

The formating of that doesn't reflect it original tabular format, but you can get the idea. Note the 33% was for Ross Perot, the billionaire who could fund his own campaign, supporting the correct theory that adequate money to mass market oneself is what buys the presidency. This means that if Gary was a billionaire and could buy prime time on TV with his own money to give a nice lecture or two like Ross did, he could _almost_ be elected.
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Let us be clear. Obama is not going to investigate and prosecute the biggest financial crimes. Romney is very unlikely to aggressively investigate his pals. The only way serious investigation will take place would be if the public shows sufficient anger to make a 3rd party a genuine player. Then of course, we'll be treated to watching the Street pump a ton of money into their sycophants' coffers. And frankly, I don't think the public truly understands that they are victims of these crimes - yet.

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I doubt if you will ever trust Gary Johnson farther than you can legally throw him.
O.T. I guess the U.K. RBS and NatWest check clearing fiasco has given us all a head up on how the bank holiday will occur. They won't call it a bank holiday, just a nationwide, worldwide I.T. problem where you can not withdraw your funds.

Stuff happens, a single bank can physically lose the clearing hardware for example when testing the emergency power back up and finding the wires crossed, but now we have a dry run for the U.S. Now I understand why those folks were holding cash.
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"He's figuring it out"..."he's coming around"...and now he says "there MAY have been crimes committed". Nope, can't vote for him. I agree with Snooze..."Polly want a cracker?"

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Mr. Still had a bit of that talk in one of his videos. The small bit does seem rather definitive - "It's probably because none of them committed any crimes". But "misquoted" or not, I'm interested to see if he keeps going in the right direction. (And heck, I'm Canadian, but still interested)



Jump to the spot in the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTihklVR5....
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Yeah, I was there at the convention and heard the entire debate. It's NOT a "misquote."

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Here is where I am at the moment on Mr. Johnson. IF, he continues to change his postions to be more in line with what Karl is saying, because Karl is saying what I believe, then I will vote for Mr. Johnson.

IF, he really endorses what Karl is saying and gets with the program then I will donate some money his way, at least $100, and I will campaign for him as well.

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Karl, what about Johnson's pro-illegal immigration stance supporting defacto amnesty through comprehensive immigration reform?

Are you willing to pinch your nose on that issue and give him your support should he fall into line on medical reform and military adventurism?

Just curious.


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Quote:
what about Johnson's pro-illegal immigration stance supporting defacto amnesty through comprehensive immigration reform?


Don't we have de facto amnesty now?
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Noodle, nobody can get everything they want. Illegals are far less likely to remain here if they can't get entitlement spending, and if Johnson puts a stop to the counterfeiting and fraud, plus cuts the budget as he claims, there won't be any freebies to hand out to illegals.

Is that a complete fix? No, but show me how any of the other candidates are? This is about being concerned over the 80% first, and if I can get the other 20% that's good, but if I can't I'll live with it even though I don't like it.

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It's a good start, but he sounds like just another actor trying out to play a part.

We don't need an actor. We need somebody who will ACT - not just talk.

The fact that he's starting to listen to what is being said is promising, but he's going to have to do more than just start to get my support.

Another, somewhat connected point: However it is that we got onto this little bit of insanity that a politician changing his opinion is a bad thing, we DESPERATELY need to correct it. Changing your opinion to suit the particular crowd that you're talking to is obviously inauthentic, admitting you've been wrong and are changing it because of new knowledge or understanding - especially when you can explain why, clearly - is VERY admirable.

Have to say that it sounds like johnson failed a bit on that last point too, but at least he's headed in the right direction.

He claimed it was a misunderstanding rather than admitting he was wrong... that's an actor playing a part, trying not to look bad. The question is, is he doing it because he's just an actor, or because that's the example that's been set for so many years by so many politicians?

That's really the key question that I have right there.

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Well, yes. The question is whether he really believes what came out of his mouth or whether he's just talking.

This is why I challenged him to stick it on his web page and make a campaign issue out of it, instead of just speaking on a little-syndicated and little-noticed radio show ONCE and then perhaps never saying it again.

We shall see.

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Yup. We'll see.

If he has any sense at all, he already knows that little-noticed radio show got noticed. :)

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Yet if Juanita can continue to cross the border illegally and get $2M worth the taxpayer funded neo-natal care for her preemie w/free housing, food and medical afterwards - how can we possibly fix the medical system or the massive deficits?

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We can't.

But cutting federal medical spending 43% will shut that off RIGHT NOW.

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Speaking of fraud ..... NH Sheriff launching task force @ ZH - http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/201....

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Donethat,
interesting comment and more sophisticated than locking the doors with a closed sign in the window. Those darn virus thingies are at it again, call dhs.
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Troubling that Johnson has to learn the Libertarian economic platform after getting nominated to run as a Libertarian.. It's a shame he didn't at least pick Bill Still as a running-mate but James Gray does look promising at first glance.

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VP candidate James Gray has been a hard-line advocate for drug legalization for many years - even as he sat on the bench in California as a Superior Court judge. You can just imagine what a career killer that was. I believe when he retired from the bench after decades of service he was assigned to the family court division - which is commonly known as jurist hell. The man sacrificed his career progression for his unpopular beliefs. For that I have tremendous respect for him. Few, if any, who hold those powerful positions would do likewise.

On the other hand, Gray is an open borders advocate. After working in a California courthouse for such a long period of time he should have firsthand knowledge of the damage sustained by California as a result of illegal immigration and massive swarms of indigent peasants siphoning off the public treasure. For his 'more is better' position on the illegal invasion - I look upon him with a jaundiced eye.

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Blah. All it proves is that Johnson, who by lying about what he said before has proven himself to be a typical politico, is feeling the heat. If he were to get elected -- not gonna happen, of course -- he would conveniently forget what he is saying now. IOW, character matters...

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Jstanley01]IOW, character matters...
You may as well pull out an abacus as talk about character when it comes to politicians nowadays. How's that ship in a bottle coming along? I love your Bertrand Russel quote by the way, it's so true.. Filling your head with information might help you pass tests but making actual sense of the information you're able to regurgitate is another matter entirely. The radio interview Karl linked a while back with Johnson is a good example, he knew the libertarian platform, and could recite it, but was unable to demonstrate any real understanding upon unscripted questioning.

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