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Widgeon
Posts: 13481
Incept: 2007-08-30
Region formerly known as the United States
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Great Place for a "The stupid it burns" comment.
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Aztrader
Posts: 6648
Incept: 2007-09-10
Scottsdale, AZ
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I have friends and family there and all they talk about is the shootings and violence. Chicago is one of those cities where we can't even ship pepper spray. Defending yourself isn't an option when da union police is in charge......
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Noodleman
Posts: 2388
Incept: 2008-11-01
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The only thing that helped keep the looters and torchers at bay during the '92 South Central LA riots was the Korean store owners arming themselves and standing guard on top of their businesses. Shortly after the riots started the cops retreated because it was too dangerous :^) 911 would get you a busy signal. All unarmed passerbys were subject to a beating with no assistance from the cops. Ask Reginald Denny. The only thing that stopped the riots was the inability of the post office to deliver the welfare checks at the start of the month.
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"Ammunition beats persuasion when you are looking for freedom." Will Rogers, 4 Nov 1879 - 15 Aug 1935
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Tickergroupie
Posts: 429
Incept: 2010-03-24
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Quote:Chicago is one of those cities where we can't even ship pepper spray. Are you serious??? |
Dji
Posts: 1245
Incept: 2009-04-21
Ponzi world 3rd rock from the sun
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used to live in the south suburbs mob ran the town all was good if you where on the right side of the tracks. a cop helped get them indicted and politicians took over, now the town is a **** hole, oh when the cop got out of jail ,yes he went too, the next day they found him on the top step of the police building in the morning with a bullet thru the back of his head.
but I know nothing LOL
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Ckaminski
Posts: 1569
Incept: 2011-04-08
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I believe he's dead serious. He probably can't ship pepper spray to the entire state of Massachusetts, since you need an FID card to possess it here.
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Poodlelover
Posts: 143
Incept: 2012-02-02
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Many will continue to pander to those who don't want the truth. The rest of the country simply doesn't fall for it; white-flight sends those with the means away from minority-heavy areas that are generally high in crime and in which a white is many times more likely to be attacked by a black than the other way around. Nobody expects this to change quickly, and as long as the race card is constantly pulled to explain away why most black males have no father around and are behind in every single major area (education, crime, etc.), those with the means will just shrug their shoulders and get out of the area entirely.
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Jstanley01
Posts: 8176
Incept: 2008-07-30
San Antonio, Texas
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No, no, no. You are talking solutions when the local-yokel politicos there WANT TO rule over a third-world ****hole that is populated by clueless marks who can be depended upon to fall for their shellgames, ponzis and scams. Sort of like... Uh... All of America!...  I mean, just look up what it pays to rule over a third-world ****hole to see why. It pays big time. Of course, the various members of America's TPTB who are presently on that particular career path may be overlooking, a wee bit, how often it ends in premature and violent death... 
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You can't cheat an honest man. ~P.T. Barnum
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Pj
Posts: 1211
Incept: 2009-12-07
Putnam County, New York
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Karl, I agree with you on the 2nd Amendment issue and certainly more guns in the hands of decent law-abiding Chicagoans would be a plus, but the truth is that it will do nothing to stop the violence in these communities.
The problem with this dead 7 yr old is not that she didn't have a gun, the problem (as you noted) is WHAT THE HECK IS A 7 YR OLD DOING OUT AT 11 PM?!?!!?)
You and I instinctively know better parenting; we live in places where our neighbors have better parenting skills. BUT, you go to the high crime areas of any city and you see many children who are the product of little or no parenting.
And that leads to the gang problem. All the legal and 'good' gun ownership in the world will not stop these lightly parented kids from joining gangs. Are you or I and anyone here gonna strap a sidearm to their hip and go on "anti-gang" crusades in these high crime areas? And what exactly would we do? Point to our guns and say "Don't you join a gang!!!!" These criminals live there, they outnumber us on there streets and unless we're gonna form up as some kind of militia and ride into these craphole nabes as an organized and armed force AND stay there, then WTF are we gonna accomplish?
If caught between two gangs shooting at each other, what will you do? Pick a side or shoot at both equally? The smart thing to do is 1) avoid those areas where this crap happens ESPECIALLY at night; 2) if you observe two gangs shooting at each other GET THE **** OUTTA THERE!!! If they want to kill each other, let them. If YOU jump in then they'll be shooting at you.
The problem goes beyond gun ownership. We have subsidized social dysfunction for 40 + yrs with the Great Society BS and now we have whole populations of people who have no need or ability to provide for themselves, who get rewarded with free money and housing if they have kids, and who have plenty of time on their hands to sleep all day and get into trouble at night. Avoid these areas at any and all costs and by all means arm yourself so you can protect your family and home if and when they try to bring their violent ways to your house at 2 am.
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When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again.” Edward Gibbon
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Vernonb
Posts: 396
Incept: 2009-06-03
State College, PA
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Notice what the judge said. " You and EVERY individual that carries a weapon on the streets of Chicago are dangerous individuals." The judge's actions do not appear to be promoted by Justice - but by a continued war on the second amendment.
This disarmament isn't due to stupidity - it is being done by evil design.
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"The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience.”
-Alber Camus (1913-1960)
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Redwolf
Posts: 745
Incept: 2010-05-23
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The 2ed would be the answer if you could shoot thugs with impunity. But as the Zimmerman case demonstrates you can't. Better solution: Exile violent criminals. First real violent crime and we ship you Liberia for life. We'll give each criminal 40 acres, a mule, and an ak47.
It will take a generation to remove the naturally violent people and their spawn from our cities but once they're gone we'll have peace again. We won't need the suburbs and public transportation will be safe and useful.
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Mpilar
Posts: 5577
Incept: 2009-01-05
Nashville, TN
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Quote:We'll give each criminal 40 acres, a mule, and an ak47. Does it have to be Liberia?! 
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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken
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Abn0rmal
Posts: 9261
Incept: 2009-01-10
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Redwolf wrote..It will take a generation to remove the naturally violent people and their spawn from our cities but once they're gone we'll have peace again. We won't need the suburbs and public transportation will be safe and useful. It won't work because people aren't born naturally violent - they get it from their early environments. |
Mannfm11
Posts: 3535
Incept: 2009-02-28
DFW, Tx
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What is a 7 year old doing out at 11PM? Dealing drugs is what. They might not even know that is what they are doing, but they make the delivery. They get busted, they don't get charged.
Read some of the stuff on Detroit. It was colonized by the Federal funds pimps. What the funds were meant to fix was destroyed. Chicago has hocked the money making assets of the city, to get more money to flush down the toilet
Note our President came out of this crime syndicate region. No wonder we see mafia type action out of the administration.
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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
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Redwolf
Posts: 745
Incept: 2010-05-23
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Abn0rmal,
They've done the studies on genetics with twins and sliver foxes. Violent behavior is around 80% genetic. You can make some violent creatures less violent but it takes something akin to a animal trainer to do it. I'd rather just get the criminal DNA out of the population they prey on.
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Bjonsson
Posts: 346
Incept: 2010-03-10
California
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I did a brief stint as a volunteer mentor in an inner city Long Beach, CA high school, and noticed a really insidious dynamic going on in inner cities.
As a contrast, first, I drew upon my own childhood experiences. I grew up in a nice suburban area outside of Los Angeles. Most all of the adults I knew had finished high school and most of them went to college. Going to college was just a given for me, it was as if it was a continuation of high school, and was not negotiable. Even at my high school, the curriculum and the attitudes of the teachers and staff were geared to getting us into college. As our graduating class as seniors were accepted to various colleges, this was celebrated on campus on a "college bound" bulletin board.
Contrast this with the inner city high school. These kids practically know NO adults around them who have gone to college, and a significant percentage of them didn't even finish high school. The high school curriculum was geared towards graduating high school, and survival. These kids didn't have that same sense of college being an "inevitability" that I did. There are some very bright kids in inner cities, but they will never go anywhere because, in their minds, college is just a completely foreign concept to them.
Those inner city kids who actually DO graduate, and DO buck the trend and get into college inevitably get good jobs, and then LEAVE the inner city. Now, here's the insidious part... the people who remain in the inner city don't celebrate the success of their counterparts who have gone to college and made it in life. To the contrary, they are looked down on as being sellouts who "think they are better than us".
These kids didn't grow up with role models who showed a path to "success" being graduating high school, and going to college. Which begs the question... what kind of role models DID they have? Unfortunately, for a lot of these kids, their "role models", by default, were of the WRONG kind.
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Johnny
Posts: 1585
Incept: 2008-10-01
Kentucky
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2012-1620 = 392 years...
Which group of Pilgrams is he talking about...
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Asimov
Posts: 103868
Incept: 2007-08-26
East Tennessee Eastern Time
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It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.
If you trade based on what other people say, you will lose money. Especially what I say. I won't be held responsible. Festina lente.
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Goldmanssack
Posts: 1076
Incept: 2009-07-08
There is no pain, you are receding
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"But like every one of the superstates that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace" - The Obsolete Man, Twilight Zone
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Kwerk
Posts: 908
Incept: 2009-03-02
Banned
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Mo
Posts: 12158
Incept: 2007-06-26
Pa.
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Reporters need to grow a pair and stand up and ask questions like: how much money have you and your family stolen from the city government this year, Mr. Police Chief?
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Uncleoxidant
Posts: 2200
Incept: 2007-07-10
Stumptown
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Can't find the article now, but I read an article (maybe a blog post) online a couple of months ago about how the Pilgrims get a bad rap. Pilgrims were opposed to slavery. They also advanced women's rights and religious freedom in their time. Of course, that's why they came over: they wanted religious rights and didn't want to be forced to worship in a state church. They also started very participatory democratic communities with town councils.
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I am not a consumer. I am a Citizen!
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Ducarius
Posts: 125
Incept: 2010-08-25
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"Everywhere in the West there are subversive minorities who, sheltered by our humanitarianism and our sense of justice, hold the incendiary torches ready, with nothing to stop the spread of their ideas except the critical reason of a single, fairly intelligent, mentally stable stratum of the population. One should not, however, overestimate the thickness of this stratum." - C. G. Jung 1958
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Asimov
Posts: 103868
Incept: 2007-08-26
East Tennessee Eastern Time
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Ducarius: Nice quote. I've got man and his symbols on the shelf beside me. Need to reread it, it's been many years.
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It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.
If you trade based on what other people say, you will lose money. Especially what I say. I won't be held responsible. Festina lente.
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