Remember that old slogan. "Got Milk"

Well here's the new slogan. "Got Preps"

"(No it won't, no we won't get that far, and the detonation of our government on the fiscal side is now assured -- or your health care will be sacrificed. This is mathematics, not politics.)"

Actually, I'm afraid this isn't an "or" scenario. It will be a fiscal detonation AND sacrifice of health care.

so ann was right...the republic "is" dead no matter how you define is. So now what? move, rebel, thumbs up ass?

Bottom line is America, through the election of Obama and 60 democratic senators, voted for this. Will they now change their minds and elect 60(I'd argue you'd need 63-65) senators from another party to overturn this? Never happen. This is done folks. Thelma just dropped the hammer and I'm not so sure that's a bad thing.

The sooner we understand our current system is doomed, the sooner we can make the drastic changes that I think can only be made after the complete failure of the current system. I think the ballot box is done as a way of reform in America.

There is a joyous side to all of this, being that those who applaud it, in time, shall not receive what was asked for. A twenty something liberal today just might find that euthanasia begins at fifty.

Now everyone who lives unhealthy lifestyles can pretty much make their healthy neighbor pay for their lifestyle diseases.

That's freedom, but only for one side.

The only hope is that this will accelerate the collapse of America, especially if the sickcare industry costs begin rising more than 9% a year.

The good news is congress now has a legal way to make sure 99.9% of us vote for Tyrant A or Tyrant B. They'll simply tax us if we don't vote.

Time to start taxing Abortion @500k per !

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This was the one outcome I absolutely didn't believe would happen: 5-4 to uphold with CJ Roberts joining the liberals. I just can't believe it. Kennedy and the conservatives -- Kennedy mind you! -- was going to throw out the entire law, not just the mandate, but the whole kit and kaboodle, and Roberts throws in with the libs, 5-4. But for Roberts, the whole thing would've been ruled unconstitutional as it should eb.

There is speculation that Roberts was originally with the conservatives, but changed his mind or was gotten to to change his mind. I have no idea.

do the Justices have to have any financial transparency to the people? Maybe Roberts was slipped a few million $ for his vote.

So if I was the POTUS and wanted to raise taxes, then under the guise of personal safety I could require every adult citizen to purchase firearms for the protection of their persons, family and neighbors - then levy a tax on all those who refuse to arm themselves in order to pay for necessary law enforcement.

This is a continuation of a trend. The banksters, media biz & agribiz bought a chunk of government.

Its now the turn of pharma corporations & healthInsurers to buy another chunk.

My brother is a family practitioner. He will go into early retirement.

He is "going Galt" on his farm.

Seems I heard the tax has to actually be collected before it can be contested. Maybe there is a crack to get rid of this thing. But, we are talking another few years, unless the court chose to drop everything and rule.

The idea we have a young judge that was supposed to be on the other side of this issue, paired with a couple of Obama appointed women who believe there is no limit to what the government can tell us to do as long as it agrees with the government manufactured need to do so, puts the country closer to NAZI Germany than anything resembling a free Republic. The problem in the US is we have 2 NAZI parties. One only disguises its intentions in order to oppose the other in elections every 2 years. If this equality became plain to the eye of the electorate, one or the other party would fall. They are both engaged in organizing and regulating big business to control commerce, at the expense of the rest of us. There will never be any alternative that disagrees with this concept as long as the corporate criminals rule the day. The only victory was the fact states were not compelled to comply with the new Medicare.

There is one clear strike against Obama. That strike is we are guaranteed to get another justice like the 2 women he put on the court. I was banned from another site for calling the pot black, these NAZI Obama backers that came out in front in 2009. Nothing has changed this opinion and anyone paying attention that has a clue what totalitarian, state controlled societys are, would have to concur with my warning. The health care model was forced on us years ago and is nothing but a cartel monster. OPEC is a cartel, but we are not locked in a room with the OPEC monster. We are with Obama care, the US devised medical system and many other government policies, including screwing by bankers.

yes it was ruled a tax for congress' power. but not a tax for purposes of the anti injunction act.

see what they did there?!?

FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

mannfm - i was going to ask the same question...

i thought if it is ruled a tax it can't be contested, the case can't be heard and the supremes have no standing to rule...

if it is a tax i don't know under what grounds someone could challenge this though...

btw, this could be a nightmare for the dems in election - they've been saying all along it's not a tax and voila quelle surprise it is after all.

No MD, the law schools are totalitarian machines ruled by bankers. Roberts reached the conclusion he was trained to reach. There is a lot of conspiracy theory about the American Bar Association being nothing more than an extension of the City of London. Bankers rule under extreme socialism.

Even more screwed up: The law originated in the senate. Taxation bills can not originate in the senate. By black letter law it's unconstitutional.

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The idea we have a young judge that was supposed to be on the other side of this issue, paired with a couple of Obama appointed women who believe there is no limit to what the government can tell us to do as long as it agrees with the government manufactured need to do so, puts the country closer to NAZI Germany than anything resembling a free Republic. The problem in the US is we have 2 NAZI parties. One only disguises its intentions in order to oppose the other in elections every 2 years. If this equality became plain to the eye of the electorate, one or the other party would fall. They are both engaged in organizing and regulating big business to control commerce, at the expense of the rest of us. There will never be any alternative that disagrees with this concept as long as the corporate criminals rule the day.

It's actual more like a single party with 2 layers: The inner party is the Dems and the outer party is the GOP. Both function to suck up people who might otherwise resist our one party state by having chariot races against each other every 4 years and pretending the outcome matters.

"What little was left of The Constitution died today, June 28th, 2012."

Karl is right. The US Constitution has been on its sick bed. Today the US Supreme Court pushed it over the edge with all of us into the abyss of constitutional and rule of law anarchy.

America is a concept in the mind from the past which no longer exists. Today's America is a post-Christian anti-civilization that is in the process of self-negation. Our thinking about issues in America is dominated by concepts from the America from the past. Most older people carry this cognitive dissonance, living in the present while also living in the past. That is why so many keep voting for what is enslaving them. They are unconscious of the cognitive split within themselves. Only a crisis will force one to consciously face it.

Will this be the necessary crisis? I think not. The US is on tracks that it will not get off until the deepest darkest decline into the super debt cycle collapse has run its course, after which it has a fifty/fifty chance of re-establishing liberty and freedom or ending up a collectivist slave state. I am not optimistic. I expect the latter.

CJ Roberts seems to have switched (and switched late) because the dissent reads like a majority decision. Start halfway down p 25 of the dissent (p 151 of the PDF):

"Finally, we must observe that rewriting §5000A as a tax in order to sustain its constitutionality would force us to confront a difficult constitutional question: whether this is a direct tax that must be apportioned among the States
according to their population. Art. I, §9, cl. 4. Perhaps it is not (we have no need to address the point); but the meaning of the Direct Tax Clause is famously unclear, and its application here is a question of first impression that deserves more thoughtful consideration than the lick-and-a-promise accorded by the Government and its supporters."

"Would force us to confront"? "we have no need to address the point"? Seems they have been forced and there is a need to address...

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But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

It is SO ****ing time.

It's FO time.

There's no turning back. Congress can now force you into ANY commerce it deems fit by simply passing a law.

Hang the ****ers. EVERY LAST ****** ONE OF THEM.

This is why you do not put your faith in men or Governments.

I'm done with this government, evil abounds in this world and it is growing stronger as the days pass. As for me an my own we will put our faith in the Lord God.

May God have mercy on us all, there are dark days to come.

Psalm 37
"Do not fret because of those who are evil
or be envious of those who do wrong;
2 for like the grass they will soon wither,
like green plants they will soon die away.

3 Trust in the Lord and do good;
dwell in the land and enjoy safe pasture.
4 Take delight in the Lord,
and he will give you the desires of your heart.

5 Commit your way to the Lord;
trust in him and he will do this:
6 He will make your righteous reward shine like the dawn,
your vindication like the noonday sun.

7 Be still before the Lord
and wait patiently for him;
do not fret when people succeed in their ways,
when they carry out their wicked schemes.

8 Refrain from anger and turn from wrath;
do not fret —it leads only to evil.
9 For those who are evil will be destroyed,
but those who hope in the Lord will inherit the land.

10 A little while, and the wicked will be no more;
though you look for them, they will not be found.
11 But the meek will inherit the land
and enjoy peace and prosperity. "

Coming in 2013:

Americans At Home Act, compelling EVERYBODY to buy a house, or face a $10,000/yr tax for renting...

Save American Auto Industry, whereby EVERYONE must buy a new GM car every 3 years, or be taxed $10,000/yr for not buying one...

Don't matter if it's Obama or Romney, they're two puppets on the same string...

Affordable Automobile Act, Affordable Home Act, Affordable Vegetable Act, Affordable Gun Act (probably not), Affordable Bicycle Act, Affordable Solar Power Act, ....

You get the picture.

On the 4th of July, I'm raising a black flag from my flagpole...the American flag is dead, and there's absolutely NOTHING to celebrate this 4th.

Can anyone reply to what Redwolf said, "The law originated in the senate. Taxation bills can not originate in the senate. By black letter law it's unconstitutional."

What is the liberal rebuttal to this? How is it possible to declare it a tax (which it is, of course) without negating itself?