Is His Name Adolf?
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Posted 2012-06-24 08:51
by Karl Denninger
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Is His Name Adolf?
 

One man that can "save Europe" eh?  Where have I heard this before?

With the EU’s politicians unable or unwilling to act, everything depends on the European Central Bank and its chief, Mario Draghi.

That may sound familiar. Once the fiscal stimulus of 2009 had passed, the U.S. Congress and administration fought to a draw, leaving the economy’s prospects in the hands of the Federal Reserve. With the recovery again losing momentum and U.S. politics stalemated, many investors expect that the Fed will soon announce a third round of quantitative easing, where the central bank buys bonds to drive down long-term interest rates. It is unorthodox, controversial and necessary. The government can’t act, so the Fed has to.

It's controversial because when this nation was founded and we understood what "the rule of law" meant, intentional debasement of the nation's currency was an offense punishable by death.

Really.

Go look up "The Coinage Act."

What's being proposed here is really nothing more or less than what a fine gentleman named Adolf attempted some 70 years ago.  The means differ -- slightly -- but the end desire is the same.  "Banking and fiscal union" is nothing more than national concatenation, and while this is perfectly fine if the people involved all choose it, what's being promoted here is forced union.

There's a name for that and it's not particularly complimentary.

This is a question of propriety and legality, not economics.

Well at least Bloomberg is being honest here.  It's neither proper or legal, but that doesn't matter, right?  We "need" to do this because a bunch of people did idiotic -- maybe even criminal -- things in lending money they knew damn well would never be paid back.  Then they levered those knowingly bad loans up even furhter.

The market's "punishment" for such behavior is that you go bankrupt.  But when you took someone's deposits and gambled with those, well, most people would call that simple theft.

The argument that "it will all fall apart unless we protect these clowns people" is laughable.  The hell it will.  Vacuums are no more stable-state things in economics than anywhere else; if the outrageously crooked banks go under someone will set up another one the next morning.  Payment clearing is the only true "need" for such a system, and that will continue.

The premise that the world "requires" debt leverage for economic sustenance is a fraud.  All exponential games of this sort are.  We live on a finite rock of finite mass; ergo, any claim that one can continually grow at "x% a year" is a per-se fraud, as such on an indefinite forward basis is impossible.

Those who make such arguments must not be allowed to turn the metaphorical "tanks in the streets" games played in the various government bodies as a means of extortion into real tanks in the streets with real soldiers and real guns.

If we simply disregard the facts of impropriety and illegality, again and again, that's exactly where the path we are on leads.

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Bullish?

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Tanks in the streets? Like in St. Louis this weekend? Boots on the ground like in Tampa a few weeks ago? Black helicopters overhead like in Los Angeles a couple of months ago?

Way too many drills in and over the cities.

Something is brewing either for cities here or for cities in Europe.
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Thank- You for stating it as it is,the plan of the few to rule,power crazy,greed,murder to name a few,then the Judgement .....

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There is no "market punishment" for the banking sector. Arguably, the only principled thing Bush II did in eight years was let Enron, Bear and Lehman fail. It seems to me Wall Street is a landing area for the offspring of S&P 500 executives, politicians, and other high net worth individuals. I suspect the politicians will curtail free speech and continue the debasement.
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Without the Bernank buying the long end of the yield curve, rates would be shockingly higher.

Why would anyone other than the Fed buy a long bond at these rates? Its an invitation to get fleeced.

Note that the Fed has a "special arrangement" with the US Treasury, so they cant loose.

If the Fed looses money on these long term bonds, the losses get deducted from the interest that would normally be paid to the US Treasury.

No one else gets this sweetheart deal.
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Hiya, Karl. Quick note: His name is spelled Adolf Hitler.
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Adolf Hitler, man of the year, TIME magazine 1938


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One thing for sure, with Bernanke and the central bankers running the show they will not loose. It's gonna be shoved on the people. You can take a guess on the outcome.

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The government is elected, the Fed is appointed...so "The government can’t act, so the Fed has to." translates to "The politicians are clueless and scared; so they dump the responsibility (and potential blame) onto the Fed".

The Fed is a huge confidence scheme...listen to Berny...always talking about the economy, jobs, blah....talking about the banks is secondary at best...but his actions are intended to help the banks first and if any good comes of that for the people, that's a bonus.

We have to stop doing what is best for the banks and start doing what is best for the people...yeah, that means the Ponzi has to end and things will get worse...but they will never get "better" if the primary focus is "saving" Wall Street and the Mega Banks.

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The banksters took charge a long time ago.

1913 was big year for the Federal Reserve and IRS.

The Federal Reserve didn't stop the Great Depression. Why was it created?

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the central banking system of the United States of America, and granted it the legal authority to issue Federal Reserve Notes (now commonly known as the U.S. Dollar) and Federal Reserve Bank Notes as legal tender.


What was wrong with the US government doing this itself? Let's see what monetizing the ECB performs.

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By the way, I looked up the Coinage Act of 1792. It turns out the Act was SIX PAGES LONG. That's how much space you need to write a monetary law that works. Congress (or any contemporary parliament) couldn't do it if its right to insider trading depended on it.

Link: http://nesara.org/files/coinage_act_1792....

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And be it further enacted, that if any of the gold or silver coins which shall be struck or coined (...) shall be debased or made worse as to the proportion of fine gold or fine silver therein contained (...) for the purpose of profit or gain, or otherwise with a fraudulent intent, (...) every such officer or person who shall commit any or either of the said offences, shall be deemed guilty of felony, and shall suffer death.
(Sec. 19)

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Lose

Not loose.


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From the beginning this has been my contention. Ben Bernanke is "The Economic Hitler"

Like Hitler unless this guy is stopped in his tracks IMMEDIATELY he will wrought the same destruction. Already he is doing a good job of putting together Savers, Retirees, Pensioners and tax-payers into concentration camps! In addition he has set up the example for europe to follow ... people across countries

Let him complete his term... he will a done a better job of putting the people through the screws ... in terms of numbers and destruction... people's lives across countries is being destroyed to keep banks and banksters alive.

One wonders if there is a law in this country when you can wrought such destruction in the name of meeting the dual mandate. Words will not be enough .. have you heard of stoning to death..... sometimes you wonder whether is it really a bad form of justice...
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I side with those who believe that the most powerful man in America is not an elected and he does not sit in the White House. The most powerful man in any organization or in any nation is he who controls the purse strings. Naturally, he is told what to do as well - but generally not by the electeds. The notion that we are a 'democracy' brings a little smirk to my face.

And I side with those who believe, in the end, that all of this will get crammed down on ordinary people making ordinary wages living ordinary lives.

World history tells us that it takes a lot for ordinary men and ordinary women to rise up and restore 'democracy' in so-called 'developed' and 'civilized' lands.

So quite honestly, I don't know where this will go. But my guess is that it will not end well for ordinary people.

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Ben Bernanke is "The Economic Hitler"


History rhyming.
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When the present Anglo/Saxon/Christian/Judian empire can no longer expand it will collapse like others before it (as it is now doing). So says Carrol Quigley in "Tragedy and Hope" which I just finished listening to.

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Sometimes I wonder if we didn't actually go broke in 1971 or whenever it was that Nixon closed the gold window. Is it possible that we did and have been running on 'tricks' for 40 years? I don't think that it is a coincidence that the middle class standard of living has been falling for 40 years, I think it is a symptom of being broke as a country.

Whether we did before or after 1971, we apparently are broke just like Europe. The question now is simply how long can we keep going on 'tricks'?

Enjoy the summer,

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When the present Anglo/Saxon/Christian/Judian empire can no longer expand it will collapse like others before it (as it is now doing).


When the present Anglo/Saxon/Christian/Judian empire can no longer expand it will collapse like all others before it (as it is now doing).

Just got through reading Tainter's The Collapse of Complex Societies.

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KD,
Looks like you have a copy-cat:
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-econom....
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Yep.

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Flap, we went broke in 1929. The act of FDR in 1933 was a bankruptcy. The US owed more gold than it could collect, as contracts are between parties and not states. The French came over in 1931 and started taking the gold their parties had on deposit in the US, while the debts of various European entities, arranged and peddled by Wall Street onto small inland US banks were uncollectable. See A Bubble That Broke the World, by Garet Garret, available on the mises.org site under literature. (I'm too lazy to get the link, as I have posted it over and over again, due to the enlightenment contained in the story told).

Ijust posted this on yesterday's blog, but it is pertinent to this discussion and as such should probably be here to be read by all interested. I am digesting it myself, but I think it goes a long way in supporting Karl's theories. Maybe not all of them, but most. This article explains in a round about manner what Libertarianism really is. Remember, only credit allows capital to pay less to labor than labor can give back to capital. Only through political slight of hand can a portion of labor exceed its market value. Much of the problems in Europe stem from the fact the Northern European countries, even the Socialist states such as Sweden, adopted different modes of operation than the southern areas of Europe. I stress that Obama's model is to mimic the French, which is a recipe for disaster and likely revolution. Romney looks to be much the same. This is a sound article in support of the Euro, because the Euro in its current form is to enforce discipline and reform of the current mess in much of Europe. This is the current battle between Merkel and the rest of Europe. The criticism of Merkel is coming from groups that want to continue the******of the social class in favor of the political class and the bankers, who are in the political class themselves. Listen to criminals like Cramer on CNBC, who are constantly looking to procure another blow job for the likes of Jaime Dimon and other bankers, to channel more largesse to Wall Street. Merkel can be shown to be an idiot in a lot of areas, but Germany took action to the extent it could to place itself in the position it currently occupies, while the others violated the rules, using the stability of the Euro as an excuse to go on a spending and real estate bubble spree.

http://mises.org/daily/6069/An-Austrian-....

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 I think Rule Of Law and the Republic are done for. The Elites are consolidating their power, pushing hard to destroy the Constitution, and directing a sold out government to legalize fraud, extortion, civil rights violations and damn near any crime you can think of when committed by government or special interest corporate entities. Personal freedom and the rights granted by the U.S.Constitution are ignored by law enforcement and denied in court.  
    I'm reading the Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich again and am totally amazed how close today the U.S. is paralleling the rise of National Socialism in Germany in the late 20's and early 30's. In the twenty first century, Justice is becoming an obsolete term.  No one should be above the law but, the one percent have figured out a way around that.  Ignore the law, buy everyone involved with legislation, regulation, enforcement, and prosecution and ignore the law. Let the huddled masses scream and yell till their faces turn blue, have the Corporate MSM propaganda organs portray them as bums, hippies, and anarchists and keep turning the cops loose on them until they give it up and go home or, if they get too organized, brand them as terrorists turn the military loose on them and lock them up or kill them.

Not a pretty future but it's right where we're headed, and because everybody in this country has had their head up their --- for so many years it may be too late to do a damn thing about it.
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Remember, only credit allows capital to pay less to labor than labor can give back to capital. Only through political slight of hand can a portion of labor exceed its market value.


Mann, could you please explain those to sentences? I've read them several times and I just don't get what they are trying to say.

Thanks;

Flap

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Here are my predictions for everyone to see:
S&P 500 at 320, DOW at 2200, Gold $300/oz, and Corn $2/bu.
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The January 2015 AMZN put at $130 (cost $4.25) will be a winner.
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