I want to like Gary. Really, I do. But for every time he starts to move his expressed opinions in a direction I can support, there's something like this that shows up in the national media and dashes my hopes.
Same-sex marriage:Where is the Libertarian in this position? I challenge Gary to show me where in The Constitution The Federal Government has any authority to regulate, promulgate, diss, embrace or in any other way interfere with (for or against) marriage in any form. Marriage "regulation" by the government is a Statist position, not a Libertarian one.
Gold standard: Gold has exactly nothing to do with monetary instability. History proves this; there were monstrous banking and monetary bubbles and panics during the time the US was on the Gold Standard. The problem is counterfeiting of the currency by banks -- the issuance of loans against nothing but hot air. When the currency and credit supply (summed) is grown faster than economic output you are creating an exponential bubble that must, as a mathematical certainty, burst. This is trivially proved and can be understood by anyone with a middle-school grounding in mathematics. Those who fail to understand this are either (1) willfully ignorant as they simply refuse to spend the 15 minutes with a calculator and piece of paper that it requires to understand this (read here if you want the math done for you) or (2) intentionally lying to the interviewer. One Dollar of Capital Gary and the bankster fraudfest disappears instantly. (Glass-Steagall was an attempt to impose this, effectively, and was also mostly-effective too until it was subverted and then repealed.)
Simpson-Bowles or Ryan (budget): The 43% budget cut comes up again. But nowhere is it mentioned that of our current $3.8 trillion federal budget a 43% cut would (1) balance the budget immediately (good) but (2) remove $1.63 trillion in borrowed funds from government spending immediately, which would instantaneously contract the economy by 11%, or three times the drop experienced in the 2008-2009 recession. This isn't middle-school math it's literally second grade math, and while it is both Libertarian and necessary that this happen to avoid a government funding collapse to promote this without (1) talking about the math up front and what this budgetary path means for America in both the short and intermediate term and (2) discussing what we can do (and there are things we can do that are also Libertarian) to mitigate some of the economic pain that must be absorbed -- specifically, withdrawing the jackboot of government that has forced medical and educational costs higher through interference in the market with both -- is simply asking for Mittens (who can do 2nd grade math in his head) to tattoo Johnson with this and make him look like a fool if and when they ever meet in a public debate.
Fair Tax: Excellent. But "treat everyone equally"? No, the reason you put in place The Fair Tax is that (1) the purpose of taxation is to raise revenue for the government, (2) taxing consumption on every receipt means that you can't hide the cost of government, thereby forcing that cost into the public view and guaranteeing that a debate is held on what the people want in services .vs. the taxes they're willing to pay and (3) taxing only consumption means that the engine of economic progress, capital formation, is left entirely alone since capital formation is by definition the accumulation of economic surplus ("saving") that is then put to work ("investment.") But saying these three things requires that you recognize what taxation's essential purpose is and that borrowing is inferior to saving and is not a replacement in the capital formation process.
Free Trade or Fair Trade: "Free trade is fair trade"? Like hell it is. Free trade with other nations that also observe the fundamental liberty interests we ensconce in The Declaration and Constitution, sure. That's actual free (and fair) trade. "Free trade" with nations that use the jackboot of government to oppress workers (thereby tilting the balance of payments in their direction), refuse to enforce standards against environmental polluters (e.g. China) as this gives them a huge cost advantage and those who manipulate their currency (again, by government for the purpose of cost advantage)? You're nuts Gary. Certifiably and outrageously insane. There is nothing Libertarian about force or fraud, and that someone does it "over there" doesn't change what happened nor does it justify our willful blindness and complicity. The gun of government up your nose is unacceptable and using US Trade Policy to enable jackbooted governments in other nations for the alleged "benefit" of the US is the worst sort of abuse since the essence of allowing it "over there" but not here is to hide what's going on from our people. Such a policy severely damages our citizens here effectively importing the force and fraud committed there, and thus is a direct violation of the Libertarian Non-Aggression Principle.
Romneycare or Obamacare: Neither (good!) And...my God.... the word "free markets"? Ok, nice phrase. 10 seconds, but no elaboration and what is "free market" about our current system, may I ask? Among the abuses, all enforced by government today, are (1) limits on the ability of someone to open a new MRI in a town because "there are enough already" (as determined by a medical board that is usually staffed by the people who own the current MRI devices; their intent is to limit competition and therefore drive up prices!), (2) EMTALA, which mandates that you be treated if you have no money (and effectively forces your appendectomy to cover the cost of Juanita the illegal Mexican Immigrant who showed up this morning in labor, a month or more premature, drunk and on drugs -- with no money or insurance), and (3) reimportation bans and other anti-competitive laws that put the force of federal law into barring you from buying something, owning it, and choosing to resell it (that's called "the free market" Gary!) and thus cause drugs and devices to be priced at 1/10th or less of what they cost in the United States across the border in Canada. An actual free market in medical care would return the cost of routine medical care to that which was spent (in inflation-adjusted price) in the 1960s overnight, making the entire "insurance need" disappear for all but major medical -- that is, catastrophic -- incidents. This is what has to happen to resolve both the private medical crisis and the government funding crisis (as that's where the insane cost escalations are coming from) but Johnson has espoused exactly none of this as policy. Read this topic on The Ticker Gary -- seriously. Start in 2009 and work your way forward or pick up a copy of Leverage and read the sections on medical care.
NRA or Brady: NRA. How about JPFO Governor? Remember that the NRA has no particular problem with some gun bans and some gun laws. What part of the 2nd Amendment's "shall not be infringed" wasn't clear, Governor? 1/2 a point and only because Johnson's web site actually does mention that the 2nd Amendment is clear on its face. To get the whole point he'd only have had to say exactly that -- and leave zero weasel room. But he didn't.
I'm sure I'll hear things like "but he's far better than either Romney or Obama." Ok, and this means exactly what? I hear this exact same debate point all the time on why I "have to" vote for Romney, lest Obama be reelected.
I dismiss this argument out-of-hand; we tried this in 2008, remember, when McCain explicitly supported bankster theft via TARP. Look what we got!
No, ladies and gentlemen, I will not play that game.
I am a Libertarian, not a lapdog.
It is the responsibility of the Party at both the Federal and at the 50-states level to put forward candidate(s) that espouse and support actual Libertarian positions and if they do not it is the job of Libertarians to pound them over the head with the inconsistencies in their positions and demand that they change them in exchange for our votes. We cannot change the candidate running on the ballot once the nominating/primary/selection process is complete but we sure as hell can demand that they conform to the principles that our party espouses if they want our support at the soap box, the donation box and the ballot box.
The "gay marriage" issue is especially-galling and stupid. There are large sections of this nation that are filled with people who are rabidly against "gay marriage." Go into a Baptist Church, speak that phrase and see what happens. I hope you can duck because the shoes will be flying in seconds. Johnson's position is instantly-poisonous in huge swaths of this nation and the damage it does to the Libertarian brand in those areas is literally crippling. This would be a price that would have to be paid if "gay marriage" was a Libertarian position but it is clearly not, as adding more jackbooted government regulation and involvement to what already exists is exactly the opposite of Libertarian thought. The worst part of it is that an actual Libertarian position is one that the hard-core evangelical Christians, including those very same Baptists, would whole-heartedly support, as it would leave the celebration of marriage and determination of what was a marriage explicitly to each Church as it desired! Return the State's role to one exclusively of contract enforcement (that is, a place to take disputes before a Judge) and allow each religion to define for itself what marriage is and leave them free to insist that any couple to be married execute a contract that is acceptable to them and which the State can then arbitrate in the event of disputes. This not only resolves the entire "gay marriage" issue (go see a Priest of your choice!) but in addition allows those religious paths that believe in "until death do us part" to only celebrate those marriages in which the contract in question provides for fault-based dissolution only and other religions that believe that "irreconcilable differences" are acceptable to celebrate marriages under that agreement. In other words a Libertarian position, were Johnson to adopt it, would turn a 50/50 issue where the haters throw shoes at you into a 95% approval issue where everyone likes what you believe in and intend to do. It's pure insanity to discard the Libertarian position for one that panders to a loud and tiny minority in the LGBT community but that is exactly what Gary Johnson has done.
But these issues are not the ones that will decide the nation's future -- and her President. That will be decided on economics.
If we don't deal with the economic distortions, especially in government funding, health care and education, none of the rest is going to matter at all.
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Johnson is pretty much more of the same. He should have never nominated for the Libertarian party. I still say nothing is going to change until the whole works collapses. People simply aren't affected enough and don't care yet.
"Marriage "regulation" by the government is a Statist position, not a Libertarian one."
Maybe for big "L" libertarians, as in the party. There are a lot of us who are small "L" libertarians and think the state can and should regulate marriage. Creation of new citizens is a primary concern of any society. If you doubt that, go ask a Shaker about it.
A thousand generations of experience have shown that one man, one woman breeding and raising children is the best way to ensure a crop of new citizens each spring. Promoting this is a benign way for society to address a primary concern, without limiting the freedoms of the members.
Since there's no major liberal opponent to Obama like Nader, all Gary might do is take some votes away from Mittens, although I believe that Obama got a number of independent votes that he won't get this time. Should be a more interesting than usual pointless exercise in the delusion of real choice this time.
If Gary was ever elected to office he would be on the TARP bank payroll as the freshman Tea Party congresscritters who ran on a 'get tough on Wall Street' platform in 2010. I had more faith in the Libertarians. Weren't they smart enough to see through this guy's line of BS? Or was it more 'willful ignorance' at the very top?
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"Ammunition beats persuasion when you are looking for freedom." Will Rogers, 4 Nov 1879 - 15 Aug 1935
There are a lot of us who are small "L" libertarians and think the state can and should regulate marriage.
Your position is nonsensical. With that statement you conclusively prove that you are certainly NOT a lower-case L libertarian.
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". . . the Constitution has died, the economy welters in irreversible decline, we have perpetual war, all power lies in the hands of the executive, the police are supreme, and a surveillance beyond Orwell’s imaginings falls into place." - Fred Reed
I dont know if you can automatically declare that X% has to come off GDP simply because the government stops borrowing X% of GDP. We just dont know what will happen to all that money that is currently flowing into all that new debt issuance. For all we know if the govt stops selling bonds then that money going into bonds could spark an economic boom. Or the money could disappear into a black hole of junk bonds instead.
If the government is NOT borrowing then a decrease in "G" will show up in C or I.
But if the government IS borrowing then the decrease in "G" simply disappears, since there is no commensurate decrease in tax receipts (that can then go into either "C" or "I")
Think of it on a personal level; if you are borrowing 10% of your income and spending it, your "GDP" is at level "X". If you STOP borrowing that 10% then your personal GDP (all goods and services you transact) simply contracts by 10%.
This is literal second-grade arithmetic.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft.Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
I really want to like Johnson as well, but the fact of the matter is that he is much closer to Republican than Libertarian. It is almost as if the Republican Party sent him just as the Libertarian Party was gaining some traction to reinforce the stereotype that Libertarians are just Republicans that like to smoke pot.
The only way to effect radical change is to run for office as a stealth candidate. A candidate cannot proclaim that he will tear down the banking system and rebuild it from the ground on a solid basis. Likewise a candidate cannot run on a policy of tearing down the health care payment system and rebuilding it from scratch on a financially sound basis. Same goes for almost every major issue. The voters will not elect such a candidate. Better to pick the best from the two major parties and start bending him your way. In my opinion Romney is the most bendable in the direction of fiscal sanity. Obama is hopeless. So we have unlikely and hopeless. Take your pick.
Mrbill
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Billreilly: No, you're not a libertarian. Please stop calling yourself one.
Abstract grouping of people for state-granted benefits is most certainly not a pillar of libertarian ideals. Same goes for "government should give people benefits to promote 'good' things". Not to mention the unproven and not-for-the-state-to-decide statement of "man+woman+children=best".
The old libertarians I have read, pretty much as a group, didn't vote. The reason why they didn't vote is they would be doing what they preach against, get the government to force the rest of the people to do what they wanted. Following the prohibitions of the Constitution would solve a lot of these problems.
The real gay marriage issue revolves around the access to insurance benfits tax free and various income tax breaks for married people. The way to get out of that corner is to get the government out of the mix by getting rid of the income tax and getting them out of the medical business. I will add that homosexuality opens the door to massive amounts of healthcare issues. The same issue could be raised for hetrosexuality, but it is necessary for the survival of mankind.
I think the real issue isn't how much of the government to cut, but how much of it should be there in the first place. If we can sort that out, there can be a plan to GET RID OF IT
How do you GET RID OF IT? I would suggest a 2 year plan, where the states are informed there will be no more Federal aid or transfers for X, Y and Z (This could encompass the entire alphabet). States that want to continue the stuff can adjust and pass laws to do so. Education and welfare would be a good place to start. A constitutionally bound Federal government would likely be less than 40% of what it is today.
Investment is even easier. Get the government and banking system out of the funding of investment, setting of interest rate business. Getting rid of the banking monopoly and support of the fraud credit transfer system that supports it would go a long way to restabilizing real productive investment. Taxes and inflation can destroy the value of the typical investment, whether it be in stocks or real direct investment. This is what I was taught was stagflation, that after taxes and inflation, the return from risk was gone.
You can't separate consumption and investment. This can't be done because they are a function of each other and the aim of all investment is to consume and the supply of funds to invest comes from the consumption that follows. They are a part of a whole. The confusion comes from the bubbles of directed government investment and faulty pricing of money by bankers and central banks. Throw in the banker led financing of trade deficits and surpluses and the current confusion on the subject arises. I don't get into this issue because much of the mess we have now revolves around the idea that one side of this equation needs to be solved at the expense of the other.
The China trade issue involves a lot more than whether they are playing games with their exchange rate. Franz Oppenheimer discussed this policy. You want to fix the China game, give peasants enough land to support themselves in a self sufficient manner and that will stop the flow of cheap labor to the cities. China is a trash bin of labor. They can throw one out and put another in, as they are standing in line. Their currency is priced according to their costs. If the USA wanted to stop this, they would levy tarriffs to offset the labor cost advantage and they would force excessive financing of imports to stop. This excess financing is what it is, treasury debt. Chinese labor has little pricing power and it has flowed over to the US labor having little as well. Only world full employment would solve this problem.
The problem with world full employment is I doubt we have to resources to move to full employment. The supply of energy would probably have to double, which would imply a sustainable new supply would have to be found. Consumption would have to change as well from the heavy mineral based and agricultural based game it is today. The throw away world would have to shrink and the recycle world continue to grow. This is off the path, but I mean it to illustrate the broad problem trade is and how it goes far beyond exchange rates.
In fact, fooling with exchange rates is what keeps this game a mess. When governments and central banks pursue devaluation, what they do is artificially reduce the cost of their labor and expand credit. The expansion of credit is the greatest cause of trade deficits in a high wage country. The fact of the matter is a country can't sell below the cost of their product for long or they will go broke. Manufacturing has become so mechanized that I don't believe labor costs are as big a deal as the location of the process. The last time I looked, which was about 10 years ago, the number of car assembled per worker on an annual basis was around 80. It was in the 20's in the 1970's. If the average car is $25,000, that is an end receipt of $2 million per worker. The labor cost is minimal in a market where perceived quality prevails. Plus, shipping a car across the ocean would remove some of the cost disadvantage of labor. There are other limiting factors.
I believe the 2 biggest issues for libertarians are war and money. Both of these issues are used by the elites to control the masses and channel massive amounts of money in the direction of a few. There are issues I have read which kind of shock me they are the backbone of such a movement. The biggest is what would be thought of as a communist issue today, land reform. Libertarians contend that much of the large concentration of land ownership was due to privileged connections within the government, bestowing through conquest or grant, large amounts of land to a few. I was surprised to find that Rothbard actually supported this idea, but looking at the roots of it, I can understand why. To this end, libertarians were also against factory farms, which are clearly subsidized by the government, because they destroyed the market for agricultural products produced in smaller, more contained farms and resulted in economic rents being drawn off large sections of land, separate from the labor. This economic thought is outside the Keynesian/Friedmanite economics we have today. It appears that cheap agricultural products are actually against the common man, forcing more people to seek an existance in the city. These ideas for me take a lot more development and study.
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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
The problem with world full employment is I doubt we have to resources to move to full employment. The supply of energy would probably have to double, which would imply a sustainable new supply would have to be found.
This is easy, as I've written on repeatedly.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft.Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
Grumpy_bear
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Denninger, Karl. Leverage: how cheap money will destroy the world. Hoboken: John Wiley & Sons, Inc., 2012. p. 126, par. 3.
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Steph: Good luck.
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It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity. If you trade based on what other people say, you will lose money. Especially what I say. I won't be held responsible. Festina lente.
"The real gay marriage issue revolves around the access to insurance benfits tax free and various income tax breaks for married people."
Its a fair argument but these days I feel its more of a cover story for just getting their lifestyle approved of by society as a whole. The hypocrisy is great with the socialists et. al. who want the gov out of their bedroom on things like sodomy laws yet they're constantly meddling with "family law" in other ways. They've pushed me away from supporting their cause in the last 9-10 years.
I don't view gay marriage the same as straight marriage, straight marriage being what perpetuates civilization and the creation of a family. That said, I'm live and let live. You want to get "gay married", good on ya. Its no skin off my nose. Just don't force that lifestyle on people via law, you won't win people over that way. Given the current politics and attitudes behind gay rights etc., once you allow it on the federal level, in a generation or less you'll have them demanding all state sanctioned groups (churches, temples, mosques etc.) that can marry people to marry anyone, negating freedom of religion. The only upside to that is it would likely get those groups off nonprofit/charity status.
Mrbill
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Oh my, that post is classic.
Hypocrisy much, Atmartin?
You sound like you really need your obviously better lifestyle approved by everyone else. And speaking of forcing lifestyles by law, hello, the quote you posted does exactly that, forces people toward a particular lifestyle or they pay extra.