Idiocy Is Not To Be Answered With Further Idiocy
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Posted 2012-06-12 22:14
by Karl Denninger
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Idiocy Is Not To Be Answered With Further Idiocy
 

Nouriel has completely lost it, as has Niall Ferguson.

Is it one minute to midnight in Europe?

The failure of German public opinion to grasp the dire state of affairs in Europe today is inviting a repeat of precisely the crisis of the mid 20th century that European integration was designed to avoid.

Really?

Pray tell then, why is it that all these banks in Europe were permitted to issue credit without a single thing backing it beyond the belief that a new sucker would appear and take it off the issuer's hands, thereby perpetuating a Ponzi Scheme of historic size?

I mean, it's not like the consequences of this on an arithmetic basis weren't known to everyone.  Stable economic conditions require that you not do that, or if you do allow it that the people who do it (1) can't counterfeit the sovereign's currency and (2) can't become so intertwined in the financing of governments and major economic centers that their failure becomes an existential threat to your existence.

But both of those things happened, didn't they?  And why?  Because the governments and people sat back and allowed it.

What is the situation today? Europe's periphery is in depression. According to the IMF, gross domestic product will contract this year by 4.7 percent in Greece and 3.3 percent in Portugal. Unemployment is 24 percent in Spain, 22 percent in Greece and 15 percent in Portugal. Public debt already exceeds 100 percent of GDP in Greece, Ireland, Italy and Portugal. These countries, along with Spain, are now effectively shut out of the bond market.

Good.  These nations lied to their people about what they could support and spend.  They got caught. Now the pain comes.  It is unavoidable -- all we are arguing over is whether the governments will face the music and so will the citizens and banksters that were involved, or whether someone will try to shove it off on someone else.

The process of political fragmentation is also speeding up. In the last Greek elections, seven in 10 voters cast their ballots for smaller parties opposed to the austerity program imposed on Greece in return for two EU-led bailouts. Established parties are also losing out to splinter parties in Italy, where the comedian Beppe Grillo's Five Star Movement has just won control of the city of Parma, and in Germany, where a maverick party called the Pirates is all the rage. Less frivolous populists now have substantial support in France, the Netherlands and Norway. This trend is ominous.

There's nothing ominous about it.  The people got nothing in Greece for their acquiescence.  The banksters got all the loot, and the people got ****ed.  Royally, serially, repeatedly ****ed.

Why should they stand for this?  What they should do is rise and remove some heads.  Peacefully if possible, the old-fashioned way if necessary.  Peaceful political process only works until the political process fails and is co-opted and stolen by the very people doing the looting.  Then it's not a representative government anymore, it's a jackbooted fascist dictatorship and the people have every right to overthrow it, exactly as was demonstrated here in The United States in 1776.

Men and women tend to suffer these ignobilities for far longer than they should, and this is probably a good thing on balance, as resolution when a dictatorship has taken over your nation is almost always messy and fraught with the highest of risks.  Nonetheless, if this is what has happened the solution is singular and clear to anyone who thinks clearly.

What we are left with as a question at this time is whether or not this has occurred.

The way out of this crisis seems clear.

First, there needs to be a program of direct recapitalization -- via preferred non-voting shares -- of euro-zone banks both in the periphery and the core by the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) and its successor the European Stability Mechanism (ESM).

No.

The institutions that lent money that cannot be paid back must take their losses.  If they cannot then their stockholders and bondholders must be zeroed if necessary to cover depositors, and any alleged "superior" status on derivative instruments must be voided.  In short, depositors must be senior to all; the rest of the capital structure falls where it does.  And fall it will.

That's fine.  These nations should, at the same time, both enact One Dollar of Capital for all institutions going forward and prosecute all banksters who blow sky high for effectively counterfeiting the currency, because that's exactly what they did.  Put them all in prison.

Of course, over time, sound banks that restore capital through earnings would be able to buy back the public preferred shares. So this partial nationalization would be temporary.

There is no such thing as a "sound bank" that has lent out more than the sum of its collateral taken against loans and its capital.  Such a bank has practiced an effective fraudulent device in that it has issued credit fungible with currency that it knows at the time of issue cannot be repaid in the present tense.  It therefore has effectively naked shorted the currency.

This is a pyramid scheme as indefinite exponential growth, for any positive growth rate, is arithmetically impossible.  All we are arguing over is when, not if, the scheme will collapse.

Pyramid schemes are broadly illegal and must be prosecuted.  If the government will not do so then the government must be replaced with one that will.

Finally, given the unsustainably high public debts and borrowing costs of certain member states, we see no alternative to some kind of debt mutualization.

Nonsense.

None of the nations who are in the Euro agreed to this.  Committing public frauds for years so as to force someone else to rescue you via "mutualization" and "integration" of political systems is tantamount to the taking of political power by force from the people and giving it to those who are not elected.

This is commonly known as an act of war and is full and fair justification for those who have this imposed upon them to take arms and repeal the literal subversion and replacement by force of their political process.

Giving up some sovereignty is inevitable.

No it's not -- those who committed frauds can be prosecuted and imprisoned instead.  This is the correct course of action.

Ultimately, as Chancellor Merkel herself acknowledged last week, monetary union always implied further integration into a fiscal and political union.

Perhaps in Merkel's mind.  But she does not speak for the other nations and their people.  Simply put, she is not Fuehrer over Europe, and if this is attempted I expect that what Roubini "fears" will come to pass -- because it damn well should if Germany, or anyone else, tries to impose "political union" by fraud, threat, coercion or, most-unfortunately, force.

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Nouriel has donned the leather jacket and water skis.
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Karl, perhaps you forget the last four years, because that is precisely what has been done.
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I most-certainly have not forgotten.

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Isn't he running a hedge fund these days? Tough when you have to make money the old fashioned way, eh Nouriel?

Bastards...**** like this is why I cheer for the end regrdless of what harm it does.

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The leisure class - of which Roubini is now a part - are starting to get afraid of the people.

Good.

In all the Creditanstalt references, no one ever mentions that the Director of Creditanstalt was thrown from a train after the Nazis came to power in Germany.


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This relentless drive by talking heads and those of influence to convince the people that giving up sovereignty is unavoidable, inevitable and necessary; it's really disturbing and it seems coordinated.
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Roubini jumped the shark a long ****ing time ago.

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Hey Karl,

Great Ticker! The euro elites think inflicting just the right amount of pain on Greece, Spain, Ireland and Portugal will help speed up the political union. Too much pain and the system will revolt. Merkel and her strapon are taking it to the Greeks right now.
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This is going to end really, really badly.
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Great ticker, i read that article earlier today and couldnt believe what i was reading.

The number of public commentators speaking sense is dwindling. I cant see any way out of this aside from collapse at this point, as the lunatics are well and truly in charge of the asylum.
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Thats why I like this blog, its gets down to the actual issues. Look at our financial crisis and the erosion of our liberties that accompany the debt. Its amazing, The republicians focus on sugary sodas and condoms while they give away the farm. The political correct term for that behaviour is borderline intellectual function (aka ass clowns). The higher that national debt goes the more liberty that goes out the window. If they are truly laissez faire, freedom loving rugged individuals they would never allow a budget deficit or cave in on the debt ceiling. Good thing we set the ground work by allowing illegal search and seizure, indefinite detainment, assasination, wiretapping, internet snooping, homeland security dept, gitmo over the last two adminstrations. Krugman (we need more stimuli) probably has a twenty hour a day erection right now.

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This relentless drive by talking heads and those of influence to convince the people that giving up sovereignty is unavoidable, inevitable and necessary; it's really disturbing and it seems coordinated.

Nice post Visualwhatever...
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Karl, your bad word filter seems to be non-functioning. Doesn't bother me, but wanted to let you know.
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Karl, you might appreciate this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRzhh9l59....
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Spanky, it works just fine if you have it turned on. Check your control panel.

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"The failure of German public opinion to grasp the dire state of affairs in Europe today"

WTF?

Thank your deity for these "out of touch" Germans...they are the only ones with their heads still screwed on straight.

So, if I'm seeing this right...Germans need to understand that if they don't hand over their fiscal/political sovereignty to some pecker-head somewhere in the EU, then all of the 50 year old retirees in Greece are going to have to take a haircut on their pensions?

..The German people are "failing to grasp" the situation?

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Hasn't Roubini ALWAYS wanted a more integrated world government and a global currency? It seems to me he would push for integration no matter the reason.
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Those in power are what in poker is called "pot committed". Basically, they're already screwed but at this point from their perspective it's better to throw in the few chips they have left and pray that reality is bluffing.

*Edit: Of course if the public had gone to the trouble of informing themselves these jerks would be broke and gone from said poker table years ago.

*Edit 2: Sadly Karl, you are doomed to forever lead horses to water and watch them walk away thirsty. Not unlike Sisyphus you will continually try to help people only to see the vast majority of them learn the hard way, ever the hard way. Karl, you will like this.

http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com....

*Edit 3: I'm agnostic, but if I were Christian I imagine I'd consider the possibility that MLK was a prophet. He was ignored and murdered, as prophets tend to be.. Agnosticism need not obscure the truth when it is spoken, hell I might be a "jesusist" by many definitions of the word. (edit)Correction, the term is Jesuist. Mostly.

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Man alive. Roubini really took a dive, eh? I recall when he was about the only honest economist during the meltdown in 2008. Looks like the banksters got to him too. Wasn't he raised in Italy? Probably has a ****load of assets over there. He knows that Italy has to grab a place in line at the trough too to stay afloat. Everybody wants to **** on the Germans and take what they have now. I really don't see how this is not going to end up in a war. Like everywhere else it's going to be the producers against the FSA. And the government's going to back the FSA - so looks like the producers are going to get the short end of the stick until they can't anymore. I think the end of the road will be when the government does a power grab on the 401-K's. At that point what's to lose?

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Giving up a little sovereignty???? This guy is clearly out of his ****ing mind. You want ww3? You start trying to take a little here and there and you might just get it.
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Roubini jumped the shark a long ****ing time ago.


Roubini is a NWO sellout and has been for a long time. Hard to see the forest for the trees, right?

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I have yet to see the guilt of the German banks overestimated.
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Everybody wants to **** on the Germans and take what they have now. I really don't see how this is not going to end up in a war. Like everywhere else it's going to be the producers against the FSA.
I can't rule out that the Germans, and it's hard to blame them, would agree to terms that hand over land or resources like gold and silver to them physically and immediately. Possession is 9/10 of the law, at minimum.. An opportunistic sovereign could gain greatly in the material world if they knew the right strings to pull here. (edit)Just don't try and push on strings :D

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Saved this post for later use as this open 'yes-no debate' posting by Karl that clearly shows to even the most ignorant what the whole thing is about: Power, and modern day methods of attaining it. Clausewitz would be very interested about this if he would still live.

Should a conversation start where there is talk about war or any other kind of armed resistance then this particular post clearly shows the two entirely different sides of the fence. Hell i could just go the archives and grab some nice videos of Finnish president speaking in the 30s about how we have received an ultimatum from Russia. And then have this stuff placed right next to it. To me, i dont see any difference except that the historical one promises bloodshed right away and the other one in the long run. My mind just blows when i try to figure out what happens when the arithmetic finaly catches up and people realize they have succumbed to money masters and their money or whatever they own at the time(tulips?) is worthless on a semi-global or global scale. Now THAT is ww3 material.
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