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Pika-steph
Posts: 54732
Incept: 2007-09-11
Live Free Or Die; US Army Est. 1775
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Stop the Looting; Start Prosecuting - http://www.FedUpUSA.org/ "The only regulation that really works is failure."--Rick Santelli
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Jslique
Posts: 467
Incept: 2008-07-28
Melbourne
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Spot on Karl
Where will the politicians get there campaign funds from. The system is so corrupt now. That's all these politicians care about, why else would they keep sucking up to banksta's. I noticed one lady at the Bernanke meeting that had no idea what she was talking about. So So sad.
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Rutben
Posts: 1414
Incept: 2007-07-27
Phoenix, AZ
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Your best effort at explaining it succinctly. The few remaining who still seek out and appreciate the truth should understand it at this level.
I put a pretty lengthy post on Yahoo Finance yesterday re the Bernank "schooling" congress. Naturally I thought it was pretty good but too long for our sound bite society. It got one "like" whereas one sentence sound bites got a lot of likes. Pure emotion. Makes me wonder what % of our society is even capable of reason. It must have been a passing fad given way to tweeting, which permits one to "reason" with as few words as possible.
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Bertdilbert
Posts: 2666
Incept: 2008-12-22
CA
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When the crash comes it is going to take out anything asset based, banks, insurance companies and pension funds and all the states will be broke and there will be massive bond defaults all around.
They are not just protecting banks but life as we know it. That is how this worldwide ponzi is going to end.
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Dear Euroland: Relax, Germany has a plan for your money!
Political Capital Defined: We are out of money but will tax our citizens for whatever it takes to "SAVE" the Euro.
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Eaglewwit
Posts: 6054
Incept: 2007-11-30
SoCal
Banned
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+1 Bert,
They have done far better than any of us expected at maintaining this ponzi. They will continue until they find a solution. They will find a solution, it most likely will end up being the regular citizen taking up the ass, but it will preserve the TPTB and TBTF banks.
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Mannfm11
Posts: 3556
Incept: 2009-02-28
DFW, Tx
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I think austerity needs to be defined. When socialist define it, austerity means you spend no more than you take in or you spend only 10% more than you take in. It means you aren't asking someone else to fund your excessive spending.
As for the banksters? The way you get rid of them is you end any kind of government guarantees on their activities. Gold or no gold, the main limitation on banksters is their credit worthiness. The elimination of bank runs from banking in a general sense has provided the landscape wherein banksters and government have taken liberties with our money and credit. There should be one requirement on to run a credit scheme. That is a sign in large print on the front of the building, on the paperwork signed and all other means of notice possible that you might not get your money back and that in dealing with them, you are agreeing to accept the assets of the bank in event of insolvency. It should also be unlawful for any credit institution to lend directly to the government. This issue is at the core of the banker/political class screws the people.
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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
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Mannfm11
Posts: 3556
Incept: 2009-02-28
DFW, Tx
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Eagle, the main thing people are missing is the customer is king. These guys can't do anything without deflating the real value of their assets. You can't have a poker game when only one player has any chips. A bankrupt can't bail themselves out permanently.
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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
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Michelj
Posts: 26
Incept: 2009-12-02
Netherlands
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We can recover quite a bit. By restoring the value of money and then some to the value it had 25 years ago. How much did a house, food, materials, energy cost 25 years ago? Yup, enormous amounts of debt has to evaporate by bankruptcy. A really big number of jobs based on ever expanding credit will disappear, tough. We have been drilled to see the loss of borrowed "property" and lifestyle as much worse compared with being without as a result of not playing the game. Where does this view come from? The media being sales people explains a lot. Good call Karl, I missed that somehow. I do wonder if it is actually a majority or instead a very noisy minority who would lose their bets.
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Abn0rmal
Posts: 9261
Incept: 2009-01-10
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Mannfm11 wrote..I think austerity needs to be defined. When socialist define it, austerity means you spend no more than you take in or you spend only 10% more than you take in. It means you aren't asking someone else to fund your excessive spending. Austerity is a fate worse than death because it means that certain retired government workers might have to put off buying their third Hummer and cut back on the number of vacations they take each year because their pensions get cut back to something actually affordable.
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Savingsaretheway
Posts: 121
Incept: 2011-12-16
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The problem I see is that the average American doesn't understand inflation, or at least how it impacts his finances. Yes, he may complain about paying more at the gas station and grocery store, but for as long as his monthly salary remains the same, he's not getting poorer from his perspective.
We're going to have to see a lot more nominal wage deterioration before the population feels compelled to truly oppose this fraudulent system.
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Savingsaretheway
Posts: 121
Incept: 2011-12-16
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"The way you get rid of them is you end any kind of government guarantees on their activities."
...or you just stop doing business with them.
Starve the beast long enough, he will die, and you will be able to buy a new car or house or start a business on cash alone.
I believe the problem goes beyond leverage. This credit-based consumption model we've had for the past 300-400 years is BS.
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Mannfm11
Posts: 3556
Incept: 2009-02-28
DFW, Tx
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Savings, I think you are proposing a silent bank run. QE going into the safe in people's homes as FRN's, rather than in the bank account. Bennie would have to buy all their junk, which he is prohibited from doing. Of course, the government would charge you with hoarding the property of the bank, as FDR did in the 1930's. Desperate people accept extreme nonsense in desperate times.
As far as inflation? I'm old enough to remember if you made $20K a year, you were in high cotton and when I was in college, $30K was a magical number. I'm guessing the high $100's would be needed to equate to the same income.
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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
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Pika-steph
Posts: 54732
Incept: 2007-09-11
Live Free Or Die; US Army Est. 1775
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Rutben wrote..Your best effort at explaining it succinctly. Karlese is a rarely-spoken dialect. It takes time to translate. 
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Stop the Looting; Start Prosecuting - http://www.FedUpUSA.org/ "The only regulation that really works is failure."--Rick Santelli
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Plstffls
Posts: 146
Incept: 2007-06-26
Brussels, Belgium
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Karl, well said/written.
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Bubblesee
Posts: 4120
Incept: 2007-06-27
nyc
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Very big likey!
Thanks Karl.
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Banditfist
Posts: 722
Incept: 2007-09-20
Huntsville, Alabama
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Luckily, he is retiring this year. So, a little hope that he is replaced with someone with some intelligence.
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"Are you sure you can't remember?" "I'm sure I can't remember" ~ Ben Bernake 25 Jun 2009
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Poer
Posts: 1389
Incept: 2008-09-28
'Eppur si muove!'
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Karl needs to show up at one of these and do his best "Cool Hand Luke" impersonation like Paul Newman said " Fellas what we have here is a failure to communicate" And that is the truth I mean.
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"The degree to which a man substitutes the judgment of others for his own, failing to look at reality directly, is the degree to which his mental processes are alienated from reality." Nathaniel Branden in Ayn Rands 'Capitalism The Unknown Ideal'
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Flappingeagle
Posts: 1229
Incept: 2011-04-14
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Quote:The choices are not between "austerity" and "stimulus" or anything of the sort. That is what I keep trying to get thru people's heads, they have had a false narrative drilled into their heads. The inevitable is inevitable, the question is who is the empty bag holder when it is all over. One choice leaves the banksters holding the empty bag, the other choice leaves the people holding the empty bag. Quote:When the crash comes it is going to take out anything asset based, banks, insurance companies and pension funds and all the states will be broke and there will be massive bond defaults all around.
They are not just protecting banks but life as we know it. That is how this worldwide ponzi is going to end. Right on the money Bert. 'Assets' that are based on unkeepable promises to pay in the future are not assets at all, as some people are going to find out. Flap
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Here are my predictions for everyone to see: S&P 500 at 320, DOW at 2200, Gold $300/oz, and Corn $2/bu. "You can't build a house of cards on a shaking table." - Tony Johns The January 2015 AMZN put at $130 (cost $4.25) will be a winner.
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Preidt2
Posts: 552
Incept: 2009-07-31
spokane/wash
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the banks are betting big as in win all or lose.they hope they get us on the hook via thier bad loans to say they own us.thanks goes to clowns of con's and sen.sters to this bull.tell the banks your loans EAT THEM...
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Themortgagedude
Posts: 8853
Incept: 2007-12-17
saint louis
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**** Austerity. I say fire up the printing presses. Let's get the show on the road. Light this mother ****er up. I wantz to be a millionaire.
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I'm already visualizing you with duct tape over your mouth.
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Realvalues
Posts: 2
Incept: 2011-10-27
Southport, England, UK
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Well said, as the way the situation is now, things will get difficult no matter what is done.
The worst situation is to force austerity on the masses whilst simultaneously continuing to provide incredible sums of money to support banksters. Not only is it immoral to cut from the destitute to provide for financially wealthy bankers, it makes matters far worse, as the general population not only has to take the economic contraction, but is left with bankster debts ,in taking the full hit and have to absorb all the losses from banksters gambling and even worse allow them to get paid mega bonuses for doing it.
And worse still is the banksters losses are so great on top of the inevitable economic contraction, it’s enough for global economic destruction.
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Mo
Posts: 12158
Incept: 2007-06-26
Pa.
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Quote:You can't have a poker game when only one player has any chips. A bankrupt can't bail themselves out permanently. Mannfm has a way with words.
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Burya_rubenstein
Posts: 946
Incept: 2007-08-08
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Mortgage dude: goto Zimbabwe. There you can be a quadrillionaire. For my part, I want 99.9999% price DE-flation.
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Andysvw
Posts: 1764
Incept: 2010-06-26
Tujunga Ca
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One of your best. Thats why I come here.
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