There ARE Intelligent Presidents
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Posted 2012-06-07 08:54
by Karl Denninger
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There ARE Intelligent Presidents
 

They're just not here in America.

Thus the institutional arrangements and the behavior of countries do not jibe. I submit this is unsustainable. For ultimately, the inability or unwillingness of parts of the eu-17 to submit to agreed-upon rules will be defended by an appeal to the position that “our democracy cannot withstand the kind of austerity demanded of us.” The first shoots of this position we have already seen emerge. Yet let us be clear about what this means: Fiscally responsible countries will be asked to support fiscally profligate countries in the name of democracy.

You can do it for a while, but if you are a country like Estonia, where the gdp per capita is almost the same as Greece but where the average salary is lower than the Greek minimum wage and where the pensions and agricultural supports within an internal market are three times lower, it is a matter of time before our voters revolt. The government in my country and the opposition voted to support the European Financial Stability Facility to aid a country richer than us and profligate. Three quarters of the parliament voted in favor. But, note: 75 percent of the population was against.

What's being discussed here is that Estonia balanced its budget and while it took a nasty hit to GDP originally, the market cleared and now they are returning to economic stability, with a meaningful bounce -- roughly 6% growth, in fact. 

How?  It's all about the fact that the "Wimpy" syndrome does not work

But it's all we seem to know here in the United States and indeed in most of Europe as well.

There are many who believe that it's impossible to obtain leaders in any sort of democratic system that actually both give a damn and understand what's going on.  That is, their capture is "assured" and thus they will speak as the banksters will, damn the people to Hell.

Well, no.  Not necessarily.

But to the extent that they do undertake such a destructive path and kneel before the Blankfeins of the world, the responsibility is ours.  We are the ones who refuse to demand better candidates and better office-holders.  We refuse to apply a standard to our elected officials before we will vote for them.  And we refuse to make them pay the political price when they say one thing and do another.

We the people are the ones who make these choices and we have the right to enforce them.  In the major political parties it is more difficult, but particularly when it comes to third parties (such as the Libertarians) there is no excuse for any candidate to play the pandering game and get away with it.

Wake up America.

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Winstonsmith2009
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Unfortunately, it's not just about intelligence, it's about not being owned by the forces you should be resisting.
Steelhead23
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I'm with Winston. As long as We the People tolerate open bribery in the form of both campaign contributions and the revolving door, we will enjoy politicians speaking for the banksters. I read somewhere that Bill Clinton has earned 80 million post presidency. Remember also that he signed Gramm-Leach-Bliley. That sure paid off ... for him.

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Balancing the budget is the biggest issue in this presidential election, yet no candidate has come forward with a clear plan on how to do it and the two main candidates ignore the issue as if it doesn't exist. I have no idea what it will take to undo the brainwashing that most of the citizens of this country have been victimized by, but we need to figure out something fast. It appears that logic and facts do not work with these people.
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A timely example of why nobody cares about a balanced budget. Just today I read that France is going to lower its retirement age. The country should in fact raise it by a decade but instead lowers it. Pure political pandering, and France is hardly so different than the US. Politicians care about the next election only. There will be no voluntary balancing, it will only happen after economic ruin (whenever that may occur), forcing everyone's hand. I think those asking for it in the meantime are more or less wasting their breath.
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Every system breaks down over time. Entropy isn't just for physical things. It is just going to have to be rebuilt. Hopefully the right type of people are there to guide the rebuild.

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The way the political system is designed the pol candidates can lie to us with immunity. Look at the 15 Tea Party freshmen congressmen and women who are now being bankrolled by the TARP banks and the ABA. I believe that it's an intentional flaw in the system that allows for such open deception and dishonesty. Once these shylocks gain access to high office it is the responsibility of the electorate to throw them out. If they are reelected the entire blame is on the shoulders of the voters.

But lying or misreprenting future intentions to constituents to gain votes and obtain money is a form of fraud and IMO should carry the same penalty as perjury in a court of law. At the very least such acts should require the pol to refund all campaign contributions to the donor upon request.

Naturally, that would be in a just and fair world - one in which we don't live.

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But, but, but ... I am good at pandering.

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Well at least everyone here understands we are going to crash and burn...

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This might have worked in '08 but no way do I or would hope anyone else support this after giving the banks and banksters trillions of dollars.
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The president of Estonia was mocking Krugman the idiot on twitter.

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The Fed is the problem
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Turn on the TV someday and just watch the idiot show. It gives you an idea of just how stupid the brainwashers are.

And the print media, are just as stupid.

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Agau wrote..
The Fed is the problem
That conclusion is specious and simplistic.

The problem is the people for tolerating a gov't which:

1. created and actively participates in an environment in which fraud, theft, bribery, cronyism, etc. have become the standard way of operating
2. engages in behavior which serves the interests of those in gov't, their enablers, their supporters, and their sycophants
3. created Potemkin village type of regulatory/control processes to create the impression that fraud, theft, bribery, cronyism, etc. are not the order of the day
4. lied and continues to lie to them about the reality of the situation and gov't's part in it

The Fed is merely a part of item #3 above.

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