We Are STILL Dancing Around The Issue (Greece)
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Posted 2012-05-25 09:33
by Karl Denninger
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We Are STILL Dancing Around The Issue (Greece)
 

So once again the Euro dives this morning on more chatter about Greece "leaving" the Euro.

Once again we talk about "meeting commitments."

This discussion is both pointless and a lie, and until we start talking about the truth we cannot possibly achieve it, and therefore we also cannot possibly resolve the problems we have -- here or in Europe.

That truth is simple: We cannot spend more than we take in via current taxes through government.

That's it folks.

They can't do it there.  We can't do it here.  Nobody can do it, if we want financial stability.

I don't care if this discussion is politically inexpedient.  I don't care if it is unpopular.  I don't care what the so-called "realities on the ground" are.  I don't care if this means that we must face (in America) our illegal immigrant problem head-on and solve it, so that our jobs go to citizens first and only to those who want to come here to this country if there are jobs remaining.  I don't care if this means we must repeal EMTALA and all anti-trust exemptions in the medical industry, collapsing the price of medical care by half or more, and remove all college education subsidies, bankrupting nearly all of them (so new universities can arise on the land where the current ones are, less the ivory tower and gilded crap and at 1/4 the current price.)

This isn't just an American problem.  It is also a European problem.  Both Europe and America's governments have intentionally made promises of benefits to citizens they know they cannot keep.  That's fraud, and yet it is not punishable fraud in a court of law, because political promises are treated as "puffery" in the legal code and are unenforceable; your means of peaceful redress is limited to the ballot box and the losses you suffer as a consequence of these frauds are not subject to recapture.

All of the hand-waving on Europe is really about whether the German people will continue to allow the Greeks, the Spaniards, the Italians and more to simply steal the fruits of production.  The challenge here is quite simple -- much of what Germany makes is uneconomic in the rest of the Euro zone and thus Germany is living a lie as well!

NONE of this has been recognized and discussed in the open.  None of the banks involved -- and it's basically all of them at the larger institution level -- were held to account for their role in 2008 and they were not forced to cut the crap -- that is, the frauds -- that led to that collapse.  They're still doing it, they're still packed to the gills with garbage, they're still lying about asset values and they're still running around playing with ridiculous amounts of leverage and creating credit backed by nothing in the hope and prayer that something will make their bets good.

The problem with such a premise is that for their bet to be good someone else's must go bad as wealth cannot be created by pushing paper around; it can only be mined, grown or manufactured.  This means that for the banks to "win" someone else must lose, and yet when that someone else "loses" (e.g. their job) they no longer have productive income to commit to the economy.

This is a death spiral and it is the mathematically-certain result of ever-increasing debt leverage.  The premise put forward by people like Ryan here in the US and the so-called "Technocrats" in Europe is a lie.  The losses that were sustained must be recognized and those who made them must eat them.  The government must repudiate the services it cannot manage to tax the funds to provide, and the people must have that conversation with their governments on what they demand and will pay for, resetting expectations, taxes and services.

If this is not done, and done soon -- both here and in Europe -- then the mathematical reality of transfers into the banks from the people will shortly come to the fore and blow up in all of our faces.

Quite simply the limits of the game that has been played for the last 30 years have been reached.

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Indeed: "This is a death spiral and it is the mathematically-certain result of ever-increasing debt leverage." the only unknown is how long will it take....

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"remove all college education subsidiaries"

Typo alert - you meant "remove all college education subsidies"
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Fixed.

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It's pretty obvious they're unwilling to fix it voluntarily

So math and physics will do it for them.

Save your breath Karl for solutions AFTER we crash.

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I'm surprised nobody mentioned this USA Today article yet. It was linked on Drudge yesterday. This backs up what KD has been hammering on forever.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/....

Here's the meat:
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Jim Horney, a former Senate budget staff expert now at the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, says retirement programs should not count as part of the deficit because, unlike a business, Congress can change what it owes by cutting benefits or lifting taxes.

"It's not easy, but it can be done. Retirement programs are not legal obligations," he says.

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http://www.acting-man.com/?p=17037

The above link describes the Euro shell game that provides for a huge loss should it fall apart. It is well worth a read, especially for you guys that think a little QE is going to fix this.

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Great Ticker- right to the point basically should be required reading for anyone that goes into Government ... well or anyone who wants the truth

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Great clip, Jstanley.

While not as charismatic as our friend Nigel, Bloom certainly laid things out forcefully and well.

Are the Brits (via UKIP) the only ones represented at the European parliament that actually speak the truth or are there others from other countries that we just don't hear about?

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Dan Hannan is a Conservative, Nigel Farage and Godfrey Bloom here are UKIP. I've been watching them for some time. They certainly know the score. It's a damned shame that they can't manage to get more of their countrymen to understand their point of view. I think Farage and Bloom are mainstream UKIP; Hannan is a very rightist Conservative. I think he's good enough that if he had been around under the sainted Margaret Thatcher, he might have had a Cabinet post and done very well with it.

Britain is trying to avoid the financial rocks but they're in a tremendous hole. The polls are showing that a lot of people are willing to give Labour another shot. If that happens, Britain is gone. Lots of the best Britons have already emigrated. One more Labour term and the rest will follow.

I know far too many British expats--smart, hard-working, competent people--who have made it very clear they will never again live in Britain. They hate the taxes, the crime, the unbridled immigration and the anti-white racism of their government. They don't think there is any hope of beating the socialism back and they won't live as second-class citizens in their own country. So, they're permanent expats who will not contribute to the renaissance Britain desperately needs to simply survive. These are the people Britain can least afford to lose, but they're gone and they're not going back.
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