I don't believe Karl meant this to be a racial attack so much as to point out the hypocrisy in the media. If the white people of America went bezerk every time a crime like those in the film happened, black people would have already gone back to Africa. The Zimmerman case was a neighborhood watch guy investigating a suspcious acting black male. Travon just happened to have gotten shot in the melee that followed. You would have thought it was an every day occurrance or that Zimmerman was out hunting black guys to shoot and had a long history of doing so.

The biggest bull**** going on in the USA is the hate crime. It never seems to apply when the white person is the victim? Why? I would venture the multiple is as high as the statistics Karl put out there for general race on race crime. I hate to bring other races into this matter, but the real root of the hate crime is to protect Jews, the African American or homosexual being a side issue. Some of you might have heard about Delmon Young, a black baseball player, whipping up on a Jewish begger in NYC last month and uttering some anti Jewish comments. Not a good place to pull that scam. You might note it has been a long time since we had a non-Jewish Fed chairman, maybe the 1960's. I'm sure the hate crime will be broadened to include all bankers before this one is through, regardless of race. There is a lot of guilt by association in this matter, but looking at history, I can see why the crime is there.

In any case, I think PJ makes a good point about marriage, welfare and this problem. I have known some white criminals in my life. They were either raised by their mama or their dad was a criminal type or both. The baby daddy/baby mama bull**** has become prevalent in today's society, straight out of black lifestyle. Problem is, it is infecting the country in general. I do believe the difference is that the problem with black men is many of them have kids with many women and the kids are mere objects that they know to exist and little else. The kid is a discard, even if the father would like to care. These kids are largely raised by mothers who get Section 8 and scam the system, knowing marriage ends the game. So, they might have kids with 3 or 4 men, piling up the problem. Some may want to dispute me on this one, but walk into the Dallas Housing Authority off IH 30 and Hampton Rd and see who is there. You have to look hard to find the non African Americans, almost all women.

The film is pretty serious. Travon was Atilla the Hun, compared to the victims shown. You would have thought Zimmerman had killed a girl like these goons had killed. The FBI would have been out investigating groups that made threats over the death of one of these innocents and the National Guard would have been put on alert. Yet you have these porch monkeys, the Sharptons and such, out stirring up a mess about a concerned citizen who made a mistake in judgement and little else. Then to point out the mixed race guy was white, then white hispanic, to put more unearned shame on the white people of America, in order to stir a political pot.

White people need to throw off the guilt nonsense about slavery in the US. The vast majority of us either aren't related to any slave holders in the US or are more related to people who weren't even in the US when all this was going on and quite likely closer to slaves themselves when they left Europe. America has gone off the edge trying to help the poor black guy and the black people who have removed themselves from this class will admit readily to it. They may also bring up their problems being black in what is still a white society, but they have ceased being the poor ole ******, stuck in the rut of racism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS5W95O7E....

Here is one where a black guy talks some sense

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyA2D__bA....

While I can agree with most of what is factually identified in this thread, I still have a problem with drug legalization.

Whomever might use the drugs it provides fertile ground for those who are inclined to be violent more violent if they are high on crack or something else other than pot, in most cases.

That worries me.

Also, on a slightly different topic, I have seen more reverse racism in the work place than I have seen on the streets.

I think the point that's being missed here is that, regardless of legality/illegality, people who want to use drugs, use drugs.

Does it matter that far more people are hooked on 'safe' pharmaceutical drugs than all illegal drugs combined ?(read this somewhere can't find source ATM).

Or that more Americans die annually from OD'ing legal drugs than all illegal drugs combined?

I guess not.

Since there are mega profits involved in the mfr/sale of said drugs, and mega profits involved in the suppression of alternatives to the legal drug scam, I don't look for that to change any time soon. At least not until the ponziconomy completely collapses under the weight of lies, debt, and money printing.

And because murder is illegal, does that statute actually protect you from being murdered?

Ask some of the families of the victims in the video how that worked out.

Statists and the government are the greatest threats to liberty and the Constitution in this country.

Only the most MSM addled blue team/red team supporters will deny that.

After centuries of slavery and even past those times the black community received the same treatment that a mangy dog receives, you must expect this type of behavior. White America can't expect anything else but this. If White America is indignant over this behavior of young black males, they need only look at some of their ancestors for the reasons why.

Before Anglo-America ruled supreme, there was White Spanish America. Why is it that despite the same slavery going on in White Spanish America, we as Hispanics today don't suffer the same violence from Black Hispanics in the USA and in Latin America. The reason is that despite the same slavery going on in those centuries Spanish America mixed quite rapidly and the Old Spanish America didn't really look down on mixture.

Old Spanish America namely the White Spaniards who came to the New World mixed at will with the indigenous peoples and mixed with black female slaves. Anglo America may have mixed as well but they didn't mix as much evidenced by the large numbers of White Anglos still present and they considered such mixing the work of the DEVIL.

Anglo-America invented the 1 drop rule. Old Spanish America allowed for a mixed person to claim his White Spanish ancestry as having validity. That enabled what would have been otherwise disenfranchised peoples to join the fold. Anglo-America in those centuries would have no such thing segregating an obviously white looking person to the back burner for having 1 drop of so called "black blood" in him.

This is a tale of two WHITE societies from centuries past. While both practiced slavery, one the SPANISH were not as rigid while the other the ANGLOS were. Such rigidity has concretized into a pretty wide division today where the lines are drawn in two societies the black and the white having distinct differences brought about by centuries of extreme racial division and hatred.

"I have seen more reverse racism in the work place" - Interesting.

What I see is this:

1 - No difference in treatment for minorities except for blacks. Asians, Indians, Hispanics, Jews and even Arabs seem to be treated the same in most companies.
2 – A set of very capable and successful blacks that race never seems to be an issue for. By sex, I’d say the split here is 80/20 in favor of black women over men and they would fall into my bucket #1.
3 – A larger set of working blacks who are worthless and keep their positions because companies fear trying to terminate them. Additionally, I also see management level positions that are disproportionally staffed by blacks in what looks like a clear attempt by companies to have “blacks in position of importance by title only”. Every time I see some stupid ass position like “director of corporate diversity” it’s filled by black who has no business in management. Often other worthless positions like VP HR are filled by these same folks.

I believe #3 does a disservice to everyone including the other blacks that earned their way to the top and don’t need/want special treatment. It also reinforces the belief in the up and coming black class that they need special treatment to get or stay in a company.

I know many uneducated folks regardless of race don’t want to hear this…but companies are always desperate for quality employees and will hire anyone who is good regardless of race, religion or anything else.

Josecitomadera: I agree with your history for the most part. The term "melting pot" was coined when white ethnic groups other than WASP began immigrating here. Who because they were white, were able to "blend in" better. America, historically, has had a difficult time assimilating different races, and especially, the race that the whites who founded the country imported here as chattel.

But the question on the table is whether assimilation should still be the goal. Hispanic America, similar to India in its ancient past, has evolved a caste system with the whites on the top, the mud people on the bottom, and an untold number of gradations in between based upon "drops." But in North America it is Balkanization that is evolving, with the races congealing into mutually hostile groups -- in society at large just like they do in prisons and high schools across the country.

I believe that assimilation under the "equal protection" clause of the 14th Amendment should absolutely be America's goal. Because the way I see it, what's at stake is whether liberty based upon individual sovereignty -- "The American Experiment" -- survives or not.

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Keep making the 6 figure income and keep feeding the beast. You are the problem. You are the enabler.

Amen, brother.

Although most people have no idea what the actual statistics are, there is a reason there is "white flight" in parts of the South, whereby whites will move from an area as more blacks move there. Does this make them racist, or does it make them smart, or is it both?

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Although most people have no idea what the actual statistics are, there is a reason there is "white flight" in parts of the South, whereby whites will move from an area as more blacks move there. Does this make them racist, or does it make them smart, or is it both?

Not just the South, but there are annular shaped cities all over the US. This happened because of school integration. People are just too hypocritical to admit it. Migration and independent school districts became a relief valve when racial integration was foisted on the public and prevented a showdown at that time. IMO

You get the same crap with white ghettos. [Edit: Though it may not be as obvious without the skin color change.]

I was watching a documentary a few months back about serial killers. A group of scientists conducted interviews and did genetic and brain function testing on a serial killers. What they found was that nearly all of the serial killers shared the same three things. They were diagnosed as being one: psychopath/sociopath, two: had the same brain function abnormality and three: had the same obscure genetic marker. As a control all the researchers were subjected to the same battery of tests as the serial killers. It was found that one of the lead researchers shared all three traits of the serial killers except that he was raised in a stable and loving home by two parents. Whereas the serial killers came from disfunctional and/or abusive families. The conclusion they drew from this was that even though the serial killers may have been hard wired to be serial killers they still needed an environmental trigger. Don't know if that applies here or not just something to think about.

The Martin case is national "news" because our 24 hour "news" channels need to fill that 24 hours with something while trying to attract the greatest market share. Too much time to fill while pandering to an audience that doesn't want to watch coverage of any topic that actually requires any intellectual effort to understand but who instead prefer only topics that exercise only the emotions results in tabloid TV news which is exactly what we've got. And that's one of the many reasons why there will never be any significant political change here via that media other than by the nationalistic or neo-fascist route which appeals to the emotions rather than reason.

Throxx - Outstanding, as usual.

Josecitomadera - Thanks for posting that. Enjoyed it.

Odds and ends:

I ran into a 2005 article on HuffPo by Van Jones, "Are Blacks A Criminal Race? Surprising Statistics" which has an interesting perspective. It talks about arrest rates for black and white youth. Although self-reported levels of delinquency and various criminal acts are similar between the 2 races (though sometimes *lower* among black youth), black kids are arrested and incarcerated at higher rates than whites.

ACLU's writings on the "school to prison pipeline" that results when we solve school problems with police rather than counseling and other services are worthwhile.

There has been a lot written about differing sentences for the same crime along racial lines.

Crime does lead to poverty.

Dr. Walter E. Williams in Townhall, "Should Black People Tolerate This?":

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Nationally, black homicide victimization rate is six times that of whites, and in some cities, it's 22 times that of whites. Coupled with being most of the nation's homicide victims, blacks are most of the victims of violent personal crimes, such as assault and robbery. [...] Not only is there silence about black-on-black crime; there's silence and concealment about black racist attacks on whites -- for example, the recent attacks on two Virginian-Pilot newspaper reporters set upon and beaten by a mob of young blacks.

When you're poor, if your family needs services, they're difficult to get - despite what some people think about the poor having everything handed to them. For instance, counseling. My son could have used some at a couple points. No way did I have $100+ per hour, and he couldn't get it through KidMed/SCHIP unless he was institutionalized. He hasn't turned out to be a criminal, but imagine a small percentage of the poor kids needing services doing just that. You've got a crime wave. I've personally seen too many poor black kids fall through the cracks; a number of them are in prison now, and some are dead.

Sorry no URLs, one of them was causing a problem and I couldn't figure out which, but there's enough included to find the articles.

Honesty ? Does anyone get rewarded for that ?

Oh right, it used to be a virtue, which was its own reward.

Today ? Honest people get trompled by the FSA of all stripes.

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No, but if we had kept prohibition going a couple more decades that's what the unaffiliated Italian youth may have been doing. Whoever is "winning" will be idolized by the youth, and criminals happen to be some of the biggest "winners" in the ethnic group thanks to a legal framework which hardens, enriches, and empowers them. (edit: empowers them by disarming their victims whenever politically possible).

Morla, I grew up in a HUGE Mafia neighborhood, Howard Beach, home to John Gotti. There were plenty of kids who were wannabes as well as some who were associated with the Mob as has been the case for many generations. The vast majority of kids who grew up in my neighborhood grew up to be honest, taxpaying citizens who work in an office or drive a truck, etc..

You speak of prohibition in the 1920's and how IF it continued the Italians may have gone the way of the blacks; well we've had 40+ yrs of drug prohibition and all the profits that come with it and many organized crime groups like the Italians, Chinese, Mexicans, Colombians, etc have made TONS of money from drug prohibition, yet you don't see the social pathologies in those communities like you see in the black communities.

In fact the Chinese mob has operated very similar to the Italians with regards to trafficking and protection rackets and gambling, prostitution, etc and again, you don't see the pathologies there that you see in the black community.

I have no problem with black people and honestly pray that they can turn things around. There are those who say that blacks are 'programmed' to be this way but I don;t believe that. I believe that black people are capable of all the successes and failings of all any other group of humans. The problem in the black community is that they have allowed their culture to be hijacked by a political philosophy that encourages this dependency to the point where black people vote in a 90%+ block for the same political party.

Talk about mental slavery.

I have studied the history of Boston. Over the centuries, waves of immigrants arrived. They settled in the poor neighborhood, the South End. But, the Irish came at one point, the Jewish another, the Porto Ricans another. There is a clear migration to the suburbs as they gained wealth. They migrated as groups to different towns.

The people that are bettering themselves are going to do just that. It may not so much be the blacks moving in as the others, after having used the lower price neighborhoods to save and prosper, moving to better neighborhoods.

One difference may be that these groups were proud. The kept their neighborhoods clean and took care of their houses. As such they earned respect, and self respect. Then, when they move on to a more desirable neighborhood, they have not destroyed their wealth by trashing the neighborhood.

I see what I see, and I don't have the answers. I can say, I don't know any parents that would let their kid look like Trevon. Perhaps we should get the government out of parenting.

I am surprised the video does not include the Washington Sniper and all of his victims. That would make one heck of a one page picture, sad for sure.

Here in Oklahoma City, we get these rags every week that have pictures of all of the "fine" folks who ended up in the slammer recently. Breaks it down by page as to what the crimes were. I note that it is not overly peppered with black folk, but pretty near 50/50/ And some of the white folk in there are pretty scary looking indeed. Why I choose to carry a Kimber 1911 in .45 ACP anytime I am out-and-about.

BTW: I've been reading at this site since sometime in July 09, rarely ever post here. So my post count is low. Don't equate me with a troll. I just chose to read, more than comment. I am not an investor, never will be. Just like to keep up with the goings-on, and Karl is one guy who puts out some good s--t! ;-)

I wonder what LC would have had to say about this thread and the one over on FedUp that led here. That would have gotten interesting real fast given the responses Jake is getting.

Mnpatriot wrote..

You are ignored.

Firstly, you haven't quite got the hang of the ignore button. My 'ignore' is unchanged.

Mnpatriot wrote..

You can continue to post relevant statistics regarding black on white crime until you turn blue in the face, but your "Niger, Please" post was the point where I turned you off.

Really? As you know, what you are naming the ""Niger, Please" post was me posting a map of Niger that showed a city of Please. This was done after he complained that it was racist/offensive to post crime statistics and report black-on-white crimes and said " I spit on you....will get what you deserve in the end." So I posted the map of Niger. Afterwards he went back and removed the I "will get what you deserve in the end," part of his post.

You see, in this country blacks are offended when crime statistics and black-on-white crimes are reported. They scream "racism". Okay, they are offended by that. On the other hand, I find it offensive when I see JUST ABOUT EVERY SINGLE DAY African-Americans either murdering, robbing, beating, raping, or setting on fire white people. More often than not, it's a combination of those.
That's what I get offended about.

Who has more right to be offended? What's more offensive; the acts that take place just about every single day OR the reporting of them?


http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Man-Jai....


http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/Man-Accus....
http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2012/0....


https://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/....

By the way, contrast the reporting of the above cases with the reporting of the Trayvon Martin case. Once again, who has more right to be offended in regards to the reporting of inter-racial crime in this country?

Mnpatriot wrote..

You are ignored.

No you haven't. You're fibbing, my 'ignore' is unchanged. But please do because I'm not interested in responding again to your Politically Correct BS.

Edit to add:
Corrine Brown in the video that started this Ticker is the Congresswoman from Florida who went on TV to talk about Trayvon Martin and couldn't name the white woman that got killed in her district in the same time-frame as Trayvon. I bet she still doesn't know her name.

I'll bet absolutely NO ONE in congress even now knows her name.

Do you think everyone in congress knows the name of Trayvon Martin?
Do you think eveyone in congress knows the skin color of Trayvon Martin?
Do you think everyone in congress knows the name of George Zimmerman?
Do you think everyone in congress has been made aware that George Zimmerman's skin color is different from that of Trayvon Martin's?

We know that blacks are offended by the reporting of crime statistics and black-on-white crime?
Was Corrine Brown on TV to demand that skin color not be made an issue in the Trayon Martin case.
Were blacks on TV that were marching across the country protesting that the shooting was turned into a racial issue and they were offended that a racial component was brought into the media coverage?

"The Economics of Race", by Thomas Sowell.

Read it and get enlightened.

Just one of his points is that blacks as a group have two problems:
1- they have been taken care of, first as slaves and then as government/liberal dependents, since their arrival here in the late 1600s.
2- if a black person "makes it" and leaves the ghetto, they don't, as a group, reach back into the ghetto and lift out their family and neighbors. Instead, they run as far away from their old neighborhood as they can and never look back. (And yes of course, there are a few exceptions.)

I'd add the 3rd thing, something that Sowell probably didn't encounter much until after he wrote the book - it used to be that people of all races had role models that would tend to elevate them if they took steps to emulate that role model. Virtues of perseverance and hard work and education were primary traits of these role models. Since the late 60s and on, the exact opposite has been true in only the black community - the old virtues were torn down and new "virtues" of getting even, reparations, not acting like whitey, glorifying the gangsta/thug behavior, and shunning any type of hard work especially in school, were held up to black children primarily by popular culture and their peers.

Until this changes, and blacks stop getting rewarded with affirmative action, government jobs, and government handouts, nothing will solve the problems.

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Honesty ? Does anyone get rewarded for that ?

Oh right, it used to be a virtue, which was its own reward.

It still is, but some people don't get that. Between 1983 and 1993 I used to work at a division of a large, well-known company in Philly. They had a company cafeteria which was run by an outside contractor. The contractor's staff were typically very nice, hard-working, middle-aged black women. On several occasions, I paid for a something with a $10 bill and they erroneously gave me change for a $20. When I pointed out this error to them and gave them back the extra $10, they always looked at me like I was crazy. They simply didn't grok why someone would do that.

-Uwe-

"I was watching a documentary a few months back about serial killers. A group of scientists conducted interviews and did genetic and brain function testing on a serial killers. What they found was that nearly all of the serial killers shared the same three things. They were diagnosed as being one: psychopath/sociopath, two: had the same brain function abnormality and three: had the same obscure genetic marker. As a control all the researchers were subjected to the same battery of tests as the serial killers. It was found that one of the lead researchers shared all three traits of the serial killers except that he was raised in a stable and loving home by two parents. Whereas the serial killers came from disfunctional and/or abusive families. The conclusion they drew from this was that even though the serial killers may have been hard wired to be serial killers they still needed an environmental trigger. Don't know if that applies here or not just something to think about."

I read this as the researchers found one of their own was also a serial killer and he convinced them that he wasn't :D

I'm sure those same traits are shared by many CEO's and politicians.

lol... I was just thinking the same thing, Orionstarman.

Once again, all these arguments about the evils of drugs if they are legalized, are invalidated by the legal status of alcohol, which is a drug, and which makes people prone to violence.

If you are ok with a legal substance which makes people release inhibitions and a large percentage get more violent, then you cannot be against any other such substance, or you are a complete hypocrit. And the majority of those other substances don't have the negative side effects of alcohol.

On the race thing. I work in NYC with some of the top technical people in the world, people who write, and have written, parts of the infrastructure of the Internet. We have black people here and they are quite cultured, smart and productive, so I really suspect that the problem is cultural. Look at how white teenagers get sucked in by the gangster rapper lifestyle and get twisted. No, it's definitely culture and upbringing, not genetic.