Warrentless raid ? The State should be sued to oblivion and the cops should lose everything

I wont hold my breath

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Michael Deutsch, the lawyer for the three detainees, says that they were all non-violent protesters and that of the people “arrested” that night (most of whom were released without charges) two were actually undercover police there to “egg on” the protesters to move from non-violent to violent action.

I'm pretty sure that the Founding Fathers always intended for The Government to have a bottomless slush fund for paying informants to agitate against The Government.

It's kind of like a jobs program. Wonder if the BLS or Commerce get to count informants in the employment numbers?

They'd have a lot harder time hiding this kind of crap in the budget if we had a little deflation (OK, a LOT of deflation), and held the line on no inflation after the deflationary thunderstorm.

The Interwebs would be very helpful in monitoring such budgetary activity. Of course, the totally incurious Fourth Estate/Fifth Column would be no help in such an endeavour.

I suspect they racheted up the charges to make headlines and deter law-abiding citizens who merely want to exercise their rights to assemble and protest blood money wars from showing up. My guess is that all the defendants will eventually plead out to misdemeanors. And just like when they revise the previous month's U/E numbers, nobody will talk about it.

A profile of one of them... http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120....

My money will always be on "anyone but the law or authority figures". Their track record of honest "enforcement" stinks and I wouldn't place a bet on them if my life depended on it, especially if I was a canine.

I've had a simple rule in life that seems to have kept me out of trouble. Never do something because someone is egging you on. If you do something of your own volition, do it well. I do not believe I've ever had a cop egg me on (without my knowledge, I know some cops) but I do believe I've defused some people who if I were under their influence would likely take things to another level - and that includes backing down when someone dares me to cross a line too :->

Pro Safety Tip:

Don't be led on. Believe in yourself and try to do what's the right thing kiddies!

Edit: Mtdm's link shows the kid likes to fight. Seriously, going to a protest when you've been known to use a car as a weapon on a person after a fistfight? These are the type of characteristics that instantly target you in any further crime throughout the rest of your life. It appears we now know how deep the war on terror goes now don't we.

One wonders with the state of things these days if the "Black Block" is actually being funded or otherwise supported by the Feds. We've heard several instances of this occurring in the Middle East recently (Egypt and Israel immediately come to mind). Whoever these guys are, they give "anarchy" a bad name. Real anarchy wants nothing to do with violence whatsoever...

Black Block (or "Bloc" as the case may be) has been around a long time. My question has always been "who's funding them?", given that their adherents appear to be just a few steps removed from street people yet they have the money to get around and be supplied with nice new shoes and backpacks pretty much everywhere, and getting tear gassed and beat up tends to be rough on your clothing, so I presume they need to buy more of it on a pretty frequent basis.

Never mind bond money and similar.

Twisted protesters OR crooked cops? Maybe twisted protesters AND crooked cops. The two are not mutually exclusive...

"who's funding them?"

Yep the million plus $ ?

who ever it is we the people need to getting tired of this ****

If it is true that Black Bloc positioned themselves across the front of the march then engaged the police>>>>>>Black Bloc = government-owned, or at least heavily government-infiltrated.

The provocateurs are always there. Always.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?c....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E946rBhH6....

The Black Bloc drags brewing stuff from protest to protest?

No. The guy with whom they were staying claims to be a home brewer. That is why he had the bottles and brewing equipment and supplies.

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...but in the modern era where frauds and scams are the order of the day, and are overlooked by the government agencies...

Yesterday, I posted a story regarding the well known video blogger 'Timcast' and his encounter with the police last night during what appears to be an illegal and unwarranted traffic stop.

During the encounter the Chicago Police retrieved credit card numbers from all of the vehicle occupants during a thorough search of their wallets. They 'incidently' failed to return the driver's licenses and identification of several of them before letting them go.

The bloggers were planning to cancel their credit cards as soon as possible thereafter.

What we may have witnessed was what the Chicago Police have been doing for decades, essentially, blatant thievery that would make a Mexican Cop blush in envy.

Except, the Mexican Police often receive no taxpayer compensation, whereas the Chicago Police appear to receive BOTH extravagant taxpayer compensation AND additional tax-free shakedown cash to further augment their pay.

Except this time, they were caught at it rather flatfooted.

And so it goes with police corruption. And no-one will live to tell if they blow the whistle on it.

And, America is different from Russia, how?

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Black Block (or "Bloc" as the case may be) has been around a long time. My question has always been "who's funding them?", given that their adherents appear to be just a few steps removed from street people yet they have the money to get around and be supplied with nice new shoes and backpacks pretty much everywhere, and getting tear gassed and beat up tends to be rough on your clothing, so I presume they need to buy more of it on a pretty frequent basis.

I have very much the same question.

Last Fall, I spent quite a bit of time covering the Occupy Los Angeles movement, surrounding myself deep (as I could) within the culture in an attempt to get an objective feel for what is going on.

The first month saw the movement grow among casual participants. Of them, many were regular people of substantial means or the formerly middle class that have fallen on hard times by no direct fault of their own. They gravitated towards the movement as a place to find common comfort among peers and maybe discover a way to influence the political landscape or see salvation from their situation. That was when 'Occupy' was genuine and respectful for what it was trying to accomplish.

That lasted for a very short period of time.

After which, I certainly witnesses an infusion of 'forces' that were tangible yet hidden at the same time. A grand surfacing of Communist and Maxists that was so substantial that it was clear how many of this following actually exist in the shadows within America.

An undeniable huge number. Just waiting for a vehicle to leverage their force.

I also witnessed what clearly appeared to be 'leaders' who were doing the actual managing of various gatherings and such. They can been seen moving about the country appearing at many of the Occupy actions. The same people appearing too many times in too many places to be a coincidence. Quietly directly, reporting to 'someone' and otherwise obviously substantially influencing the larger situation.

For those of the movement that claim 'we are leaderless', this is an belief with it's origins in denial. One only needs to open their eyes to see the 'handlers' that can be seen whispering in the ear and directing the GA facilitators at the Occupy gatherings, standing around, scoping people out, deciding who to enlist to the larger scheme.

My impression is that some of these people may be agents of foreign governments (unwitting or otherwise), instigators, agitators who seem quite adept at moving a larger than life agenda while remaining opaque to the vast majority that are marching to their tune.

It all gets very blended and confused with honest genuine activism and causes those who seek a real solution to real problems to become fodder for confrontation with police that comes without a practical outcome for either.

That's a formula this pervasive force appears to accomplish so well that there is an uneasy realization of the possible agenda that makes me not want to connect the dots I see.

if there was no search warrant or one that was not signed it is game over for the cops no matter who or what they found at the scene.

Not really.

You have to have a prosecutor willing to prosecute, a judge who actually believes in the Constitution and the rule of law, and a jury that can be made to understand what the Constitution and the law actually mean. (For a civil case, a prosecutor is not required.)

Lotsa luck getting the required elements to make the cops pay (whether by jail time, etc., or via financial penalties) for blatantly illegal behavior.

It will be less difficult to get the charges due to finding stuff due to an illegal search thrown out, however. But that is generally of little or no adverse consequence for the cops.

Videopro wrote..

And, America is different from Russia, how?

The only differ substantially in the styles of propaganda used to control the population.