The FB Orgasm Factor
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Posted 2012-05-18 09:46
by Karl Denninger
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The FB Orgasm Factor
 

I'm simply stunned at this morning's spoo-fest on the Nasdaq.

Let's start with the (severely) negative -- the hubris of Zuckerberg.  Tradition is that when you go public you come to the exchange and push the (symbolic) button.  Why?  Because it is the exchange that brings you the ability to peddle your stock to the public and makes a market in it.  You are the star on their stage, not the other way around.

Today was a change in that.  Zukerberg did his "thing" in California.  That tells me everything I need to know about what Zuckerberg believes about the order of the universe when it comes to being a public company.  He believes the world revolves around him.

He's wrong.

The market is larger than anyone one person, company or even nation.

On a fundamental company basis this is a firm that admits that basically nobody clicks their ads.  So what is someone buying?  "Exposure"? 

I'm not a bull on this one -- at all.  And the dynamic in a public company is a very different thing than a private company.  It will shift how things are done out there because it has to.  Disclosure requirements, internal deliberations that are no longer Zuckerberg's alone and more. 

There are, and will be, many people who will simply buy this based on what is almost-certain to be a monstrous opening pop (we'll find out in about an hour.)  I did not get an allocation but if I had I would be selling at the market on the opening print.

There's nothing here that I can point to that says this firm is an actual paradigm change or some "new and wonderful thing" that we will all look back at ten years from now and say "Oh wow, that was like Google when it began." 

I don't buy it.  I don't believe the company will ever be relevant in the advertising space and what's worse, it's utterly dependent on the most-faddish people around -- kids and very young adults.  The platform has become bloated and gotten much slower to the point that it's very noticeable both on my desktop and (most-importantly) mobile.

I expect Facebook will eventually have some sort of internal debate on selling not advertising but your behavior, likeness and other materials to pretty much anyone who wants it.  That's come up before in virtually every customer-facing application of this general sort.  And there have been plenty of noises made over the years that the "old privacy models" no longer apply.

I believe those who take this position are going to be proved wrong, and if Facebook makes the mistake of trying to monetize that data, and I expect they will, you can set the timer on their corporate life to "minutes" the first time someone has an adverse insurance or other financial decision made against them predicated on what Facebook sold off on your online behavior.

They don't always ring a bell at the top, but that this IPO went into a market that was horrifyingly bad and sold down hard all day with a hideous close, simply tells you this is just another shiny penny and if you go for it the steamroller will run you over.

Best of luck today folks.

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The type of behavior exhibited by Zuckerburg is just the reflection of our current day society.

"He believes the world revolves around him."

Of course he does, as do the other millions of people posting their updates on facebook ten times per day.

Can a society endure this type of behavior in the long run?


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Cramer yelling for people to put in market orders on it this morning. When the shooting starts, that blowhard will need to wear a vest to work............
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Does anyone know when we can expect FB to show up in Think or Swim?

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Today, as "FB", when it opens for trading.

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I expect Facebook will eventually have some sort of internal debate on selling not advertising but your behavior, likeness and other materials to pretty much anyone who wants it.


I think this is what will eventually kill FB. They are now going to have to monetize FB because of stock holder pressure. In doing so they will start*****ing off their users. Anyone sitting on the fence about deleting their account will now have a reason.

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I've been a part of those debates inside companies before and successfully derailed one of them. I was prepared to resign if I had failed, incidentally.

And this was a long time ago. It'll happen here and they'll eventually be effectively forced by the street to consider it. That's where the pressure comes from -- the cumstains like Cramer pounding the table over and over eventually wind up as pressure on the board and management to "monetize everything you have."

Even if the people you got it from never consented to that and didn't believe you'd do it.

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Genesis wrote..
It's the "QE" trade and is stupid but it doesn't matter if it's stupid, it only matters if it makes money or not.


same principle. it IS stupid, but it's a money making opportunity.

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I don't know that you're going to necessarily make money on this one here today. Not, at least, unless you got an allocation. Then if you flip it you almost-certainly will.

I got a clean double out of DoubleClick flipping that one (and it was one of a number in the late 90s) but that's the way you made money on those with reasonable certainty. Oh sure, you left some on the table sometimes too, but that was ok -- a profit is a profit.

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?

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yeah. i lost the allocation lottery. that was the only time i was going to be holding FB shares....and for a couple hours at most.

Bottom line, this kid created something and today he is essentially cashing out. Everything that is great and wrong (dumping on bagholders) with this country, all rolled up. smiley

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In terms of real-world fundamentals, I expect that most of the people around me, whom I work with day to day, and whom I pass on the street ... will be dead within five years.
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Dude is making a lot of Millionaires today - more power to him...
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FaceBook will change its name to Face****ed right after Zuckerberg blows his wad all over anybody who believes this is a viable investment.

Prepare for your facial......as the Groupon folks are still wiping the jizz off their collective faces.

And you wonder why......

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Hahaha

www.zerohedge.com/news/facebook-pulls-reverse-bats-flash-smashes-€50000share

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Well said, Matt.

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Anyone here know how to delete your account not just deactivate- I've been thinking that today would be good day- but I'm on the fence- but now I do feel that the company is public the pressure for returns will drive Zuck and crew- to do the selling of your info

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GM Spent $10,000,000 advertising on Facebook..and the results were so poor that they decided to eliminate the Facebook advertising budget.

Is there a single company advertising on Facebook that is thrilled with the results?

From what I see, the majority of Facebook users are there to share their lives...not to find stuff to buy.

The best way to advertise of Facebook is actually free...by getting people to talk about what you're selling in a positive way.

Facebook has potential, but I doubt Zucker has the brains to pull it off...look for him to step aside and new CEO to come and******the place.

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Poer: You can't. Intentionally.

[Edit: You can make it inaccessible, but you can't make your data disappear off their servers.]

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How soon will it be before people begin to enter incorrect information into Facebook and other applications routinely? I believe that the terms of service require that the information be accurate, but I don't see any way for them to verify that the information is accurate, and when you are picking your date of birth from a drop-down menu, it is very easy to make a mistake.

Eventually, Facebook will get to be like online dating, where everyone says that they are richer, thinner, and younger than they actually are, if it isn't at that point already.

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Is there a single company advertising on Facebook that is thrilled with the results?


I know one stay at home mom that is a few $$$ richer thanks to me and a friend finding her on Etsy and posting about her on FB. The big guys, not so much, but the small fry, that's where the grass-roots comes in.
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Imagine if this doubles at open and gives it all back...a big f.u. to this hubris and cnbc "vanity fair."

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Interesting topic given Twitter announced that they were supporting "Do-Not-Track"....
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/twitter-ag....

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Twitter fools - MITM knows...
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I tried their pay by click and saw absolutely nothing but a bill on my CC. The people that spend all their time on this site are the same monkeys that watch American Idol and Dancing with the Stars. This is thier life and when they see something new, like a ad, they click on it for cheap thrills but are now buyers.

Thier advertising may work for products aimed at kids, but for the most part it is a complete waste of cash.

http://www.businessinsider.com/whoa-in-h....
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Soon people are going to be sharing tips on the best dumpsters to get food.

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How soon will it be before people begin to enter incorrect information into Facebook and other applications routinely?


Lol. Been doing that for 15 years on the interwebs, not that it matters much...

I think I am 99 years old on facebook.
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