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Howie
Posts: 4848
Incept: 2007-11-02
Wilmington, DE
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But he was such a nice boy......
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Burtoby
Posts: 617
Incept: 2007-10-28
Arlington,Tx
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So when Obama said that could've been his son, he was factually correct....
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Tryin' to turn 6 figures into 7.
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Eli
Posts: 7200
Incept: 2007-09-10
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I'm waiting until the Eric dick Holder DOJ and the FBI get done investigating if what Zimmerman did was a hate crime. Even though Zimmerman may be technically justified under the law it does not mean he is not still guilty of crime. Especially when you consider the fact that criminals are running our justice system.
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Wootendw
Posts: 38
Incept: 2010-01-28
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It has been more than 25 years since I last used pot but I do not remember it ever making me feel aggressive in any way - far more the opposite. Its use by Trayvon should be irrelevant. What is relevant is whether or not Trayvon overreacted to an annoying provocation, which seems likely given consistent descriptions. You simply cannot start hitting someone just because they follow you - and expect to get away with it.
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Steph4liberty
Posts: 1684
Incept: 2010-10-22
Raleigh, NC
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I don't know about anyone else, but I'm soooo not surprised at this revelation.
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Gantww
Posts: 542
Incept: 2011-04-22
Nashville, TN
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Wonder what else they screened for?
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Infidel
Posts: 5463
Incept: 2007-08-27
between here and there
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maybe this? 
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Antone
Posts: 7666
Incept: 2008-02-03
Seditionia, USSA
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Overall, without having been there and knowing exactly what happened, I'm probably likely on Zimmerman's side.
However, with that, I don't see how the presence of THC in one's system has any relevance in this case. Whether he was high or not, what problem was he creating? Was there a victim from his being high?
I've never seen someone initiate physical force upon another simply because they had THC in their system, so I think this is a bit of a stretch.
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As if anything has changed:
Wir sind gefickt.
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Wis/min
Posts: 5363
Incept: 2009-08-14
On the border
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Lowbeyond
Posts: 16900
Incept: 2008-02-11
CO aka West NJ/East CA
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Welp I have a friend that gets super paranoid on pot. So ppl react differently. Shrug
What I do know is that thc was in zimmermans blood it would be a circus. So **** obamas son
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Maybe it was a birdy bread-bomber from the future?!
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Brewcrew2
Posts: 149
Incept: 2011-02-18
New Jersey
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Certainly explains the Skittles and Iced Tea run on a rainy evening
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Helluvaengineer
Posts: 35
Incept: 2008-12-04
Atlanta
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So sorry, but seriously Carl, if you have ever been on THC, the last thing you want to do is bash someone's head on the pavement. If anything, this detracts from the defense.
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Genesis
Posts: 130746
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Pot impacts everyone differently. But a sizable percentage of people have serious paranoid reactions to ordinary events when they're stoned. If that prompted him to think Zimmerman was "out to get him", it might have provided him reason to attack.
Maybe.
The other evidence, however, is all stacking up as I expected it would -- Zimmerman fired at close (but not contact) range, Martin had damage to his knuckles, Zimmerman did not (so he was not punching) and Zimmerman had multiple injures consistent with being pounded on including the wound on the back of his head.
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Burf
Posts: 5
Incept: 2007-10-31
colorado
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Well, well, well... high racist stalker?
"Prosecutors on Thursday made public a trove of evidence used to justify murder charges against Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman, including a police report that concluded "the encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman."
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Zimmerman himself was on a prescription for Tamazepam, according to the paramedic's incident report reproducing his medical records.
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But after questions about possible racial motivation for the slaying, a special prosecutor took over the case and, on April 11, Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder"
From side effects of Tamazepam by NIH:
"You should know that your mental health may change in unexpected ways while you are taking this medication. It is hard to tell if these changes are caused by temazepam or if they are caused by physical or mental illnesses that you already have or suddenly develop. Tell your doctor right away if you experience any of the following symptoms: aggressiveness, strange or unusually outgoing behavior, hallucinations (seeing things or hearing voices that do not exist), feeling as if you are outside of your body, memory problems, difficulty concentrating, new or worsening depression, thinking about killing yourself, confusion, and any other changes in your usual thoughts, mood, or behavior. Be sure that your family knows which symptoms may be serious so that they can call the doctor if you are unable to seek treatment on your own."
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Goforbroke
Posts: 5346
Incept: 2007-11-30
Just call me 'Comrade'
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"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon"  OOOOhhh ... they're climbing out of the woodwork. :-
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We have met the enemy and it is us. -- Pogo
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Jeffrey_thomason
Posts: 7083
Incept: 2009-03-11
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone aggressive while high on pot... paranoid yes.. aggressive no.
And I wouldn't trust a journalist's report to be nearly as specific as you're trying to be with regards to metabolites and actual THC. In fact, I would expect them to use the phrase "traces of THC" to refer to exactly what you're mentioning.
All that said, the other physical evidence is much more compelling from a self-defense stand point.
Out of curiosity, was Zimmerman drug tested?
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Genesis
Posts: 130746
Incept: 2007-06-26
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I don't believe so, but his medical records are part of the file. And inherently aggressive, no, but paranoid, yes. And that's not a good combination if you think "the man" is about to bust you for being stoned (especially if you just got busted for having drug "stuff" in your book bag!), then you discover it's not a cop...... It would also explain being willing to walk ~2 miles in the rain to get a bag of candy eh? 
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me
Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.
What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Bagbalm
Posts: 4258
Incept: 2009-03-19
Just North of Detroit
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More telling is the police on arriving saw all these things we are being allowed to see little by little all at once, and didn't seek charges.
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Ghopper
Posts: 2317
Incept: 2011-06-11
Staten Island, NY
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Kind of like drinking alcohol.
One person can be a silly, sleepy drunk.
Another can be a violent, combative drunk.
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Templar223
Posts: 779
Incept: 2008-04-28
Champaign, IL
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Angela Corey will be disbarred before this is over.
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Jeffrey_thomason
Posts: 7083
Incept: 2009-03-11
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One thing that does stand out to me, is how they mention Zimmerman yelling 14 times for help. If just one person had gotten involved..
Also.. Neighbor Watch peeps.. buddy system.. use it.
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When they turn the pages of history, when these days have passed long ago. Will they read of us with sadness for the seeds that we let grow?
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Bjonsson
Posts: 347
Incept: 2010-03-10
California
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The ME report being discussed on CNN now says Trayvon was shot from "intermediate distance". An ME being interviewed on CNN says that translates to a firing distance of 6 to 12 inches.
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Redwolf
Posts: 745
Incept: 2010-05-23
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I doubt the pot made Martin more aggressive, his assault and battery on Zimmerman was probably just part of his nature. In the other hand it seems that Zimmerman was quite right about something being wrong with Martin. He was high and didn't belong in the neighborhood. His suspicious of Martin were entirely justified.
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Genesis
Posts: 130746
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Bj: "Intermediate" is anything beyond contact range (0 - a couple of inches) to a couple of feet. The distinction is that there are no powder burns beyond a couple of feet of range, so if they're present but there is no evidence of blast penetration into the target (if you press a muzzle into someone and fire the impulse of hot gas from the propellant will be injected into them and expand; that's VERY obvious on autopsy) then you have "intermediate range."
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me
Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.
What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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