Krugman Just Figured It Out Now?!
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Posted 2012-05-13 14:23
by Karl Denninger
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Krugman Just Figured It Out Now?!
 

You need a Nobel Prize to be this slow, apparently...

1. Greek euro exit, very possibly next month.

.......

4a. Germany has a choice. (Dancing around the actual reality, which is permanent, public and obvious subsidy to nations such as Spain) or....

4b. End of the euro.

It took this long Paul? Is there something about getting a PhD or Nobel that makes your IQ sink by a solid 50 handles?

The problem at the core is the same one we have -- you cannot finance a deficit against operating income indefinitely no matter who you are -- a government or private entity.

It doesn't work.

When private entities engage in deficit financing their leverage builds up until a tiny negative movement in value detonates the firm in question.  Lenders call their lines or refuse to roll them over and issue new ones, and the company finds itself unable to make payroll or the light bill.  Boom.

When public entities that cannot print their own currency do this, the same thing happens.  Leverage builds until that tiny movement in value makes repayment impossible and rollover is withheld.  Boom.

When public entities that can print their own currency do this and attempt to run the printing press to prevent the above from happening, the leverage they take on is distributed into the population through reduced purchasing power.  This, in an easy credit environment, induces private entities in the marketplace, both corporate and individual, to increase their leverage through borrowing to maintain purchasing power.  When the ability to add additional leverage is exhausted the people are unable to purchase necessities such as food, energy and shelter.  Boom.

That the third outcome takes longer than the other two doesn't change the fact that all such machinations must, mathematically, fail.  They must fail because for each credit there is a debit and when one increases the quantity of credit money in the system faster than GDP expands (or does not decrease it at the rate GDP contracts) something, somewhere, becomes more expensive to buy.  Since the definition of GDP is all things sold into the economy there is no way to improve the common man's economic outcome through this set of policies as any "income expansion" that comes through increased credit production beyond GDP must, of mathematical necessity, be absorbed somewhere in the economy through higher prices!

There is no free lunch folks.  Governments must obtain the funds necessary to provide all present-day services the citizens demand through current-day taxes and to preclude credit expansion scams from being run by various parts of the banking system systemic credit expansion in excess of GDP must be recognized as what it is -- effective counterfeiting of the nation's currency -- and barred through criminal sanction.

This is the only way you can have economic stability.  All of the rest of the arm-waving, whether it's by goldbugs or otherwise, is just that -- arm-waving that is intellectually and mathematically bereft of reality.

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How can we petition Stockholm to revoke his "award?"

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Well now! If they are allowing their mouthpieces to contemplate this, and illustrate this in public...then it's coming and they cannot stop it any longer.

It.Is.Coming.

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I have a very serious question. In my humble, uneducated opinion, the global economic "correction" is beginning, starting in Europe.

I am very poor.

What if I took out a massive loan, cash, and converted a ton of it into gold/silver, the rest into supplies, like food, etc..?

And if so, who could I even get to lend me the money?

Just to be clear - I'm not saying I wouldn't pay it back if no such "correction" didn't occur. If it did, well then the new landscape would be the new landscape. If it didn't, I would still have the money and could slowly pay it back.

Is this a good idea? I first realized the nature of our economy about half a year ago and started trying to make some money to survive it. But it's going too slow, and I'm getting increasingly worried that I'm not sufficiently prepared.

What do you guys think?
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Krugman isn't dumb. He's as evil as they come and has been put in place to be a shill for the Banksters. The Nobel just helps try to legitimatize what mathematically is impossible. The average American automatically thinks Krugman has to know what he's talking about. He's received a Nobel.

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The average American knows by instinct that Krugman is full of beans. It's the politicians and media that don't understand you can't borrow yourself into prosperity.

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@Abraham
If you find a bank to loan you a bunch of money backed by nothing, think about shorting that bank after you stop making the payments. If you get some friends to play along those puts would be guaranteed money.

Declaimer: This isn’t investment advice and you may lose all your money. On the other hand any bank loaning against hot air deserves to go bankrupt. Why not profit from it? It’s only good business.

On serious note, you should start by reading Karl's 10 Things ticker.
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=1....

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Iou is right. Krug is not stupid. He's a paid shill. People like thebernanke and Krug have their whole careers built on the top of a steaming pile of fetid ponzi bull****.

He's been doing what anyone with a shred of objective observation could figure out. He's covering his ass.

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Obama got a nobel peace prize too. Look how well that worked out. I'm beginning to believe that the honors are allocated based upon highest bid. Merit has been shoved to the wayside.

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He's covering his ass.


All you have to do if you are Krugman is publish one such article, then go back to your regularly scheduled programming. That way when things go to **** you simply point at said article and say "see, i told ya so. Aint I just a genius".

Very simple, very effective.
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If Greece defaults, the drachma is going to be valued about 50 cents on the dollar. Being a tourism driven market, look for money to flood in looking for great deals. A vacation to Greece maybe cheaper than anytime in our lifetime. Looks for some assets deals in real estate. Greece will go from a current account defict to current account surplus market. Greece could get healthy in a hurry if it defaults.
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Crzymorse: That ain't gonna happen.

By far the biggest problem in Greece is the culture of corruption and tax avoidance among general public. Thinking that once Greece quits Euro, people suddenly start acting responsibly is just plain silly. Sooner or later they'll be back in the gutter, unless they fix their ways.
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Sooner or later they'll be back in the gutter, unless they fix their ways.
Perhaps, but they're definitely screwed until they exit. They can't fix a damn thing without getting unchained from all the un-payable debt. It'll probably be good for the rest of the planet as well if it forces any governments to abandon their crooked banks like they should have done in the first place (Iceland as a trend-setter). Let someone who is solvent and knows the meaning of the word "ethics" try their hand at big banking for a change..

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"A vacation to Greece may be cheaper than anytime in our lifetime. "

Yep.

As the deals were in Prague in 1990 {Apartments for $2,000 USD cash. Now worth hundred's of thousands}, and the FSU.

When this happens, people will move in by the planeload to buy up everything.

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FFS people, please no more tickers or threads with Krugman as the topic! He is Baghdad Bob for the establishment sociopaths and nothing more. We know it and he knows it. It really is silly to even discuss him at this point.

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J0nx, please don't insult Baghdad Bob. Mohammed Saeed Al-Sahaf was a real artist, Krugman is a hack. That said, it's good that people point out his idiocy as otherwise the uninformed might still think the Nobel is a real prize. As it stands the Crackerjack Committee is more credible.

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Morla wrote..
That said, it's good that people point out his idiocy as otherwise the uninformed might still think the Nobel is a real prize. As it stands the Crackerjack Committee is more credible.


That might be caused by the non-Nobel prize being not created by Nobel, nor awarded (IIRC) by the Nobel committee, but being owned & run (if memory serves) by the Central Bank of Sweden.

Does that not clarify things for you?

Tully

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