Germany and LaGarde: Two Idiots
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Posted 2012-05-12 12:47
by Karl Denninger
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Germany and LaGarde: Two Idiots
 

Now this is amusing...

As German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble dares Greece to quit the euro, investors and economists are mapping out what he and fellow policy makers need to do to save the single currency if his bluff is called.

Dares?  What's Christine think of this?

IRELAND, Greece and Portugal have no choice to meet their obligations under bailout agreements reached with the EU/IMF/ECB troika, the head of the International Monetary Fund warned today.

"I keep repeating myself: it's implementation, implementation, implementation,” IMF chief executive Christine Lagarde warned programme countries today.

“There are no alternative options in those countries," Ms Lagarde said after a meeting in Turkey.

Oh yes there are options Christine.

One of them is this:

smiley

And I strongly urge all those nations to do exactly that and shove it down your throat -- or into any other orifice they deem appropriate.

The IMF and Christine Lagarde have exactly zero standing to dictate anything.  Every "programme" the IMF runs is subject to the consent and tolerance of both government and ultimately the citizens of the nation involved.

As sovereign nations they have not only the right but the responsibility to erect the middle finger in your direction should they, in their sole judgment, deem it wise.

It's wise.

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Frat
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So Christine... you throw around statements (threats) like that, you'd better have one big-ass army to back them up. Wolfgang up there, might be able to swing something (I doubt it), but WTF do you have?

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Getting closer to threats or acts of war.
Nothing is left after single minded declarations of "You must!"
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Ein Reich, ein volk, ein IMF!
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Me thinks the people tell the IMF to GFY the retards in charge won't, so.........
Bend over

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I'm starting to think that Europe should leave 'the Germany'...

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Kinda like I had a real estate agent tell me once that I "couldn't" walk away from a purchase contract. Heh heh, right.
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I believe Alexis Tsipras, leader of the Greek Syriza party, intends to stick a 2x4 up both their asses when he wins the second round of elections in June. TPTB in Greece are desperately trying to avoid another round voting.
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Whose debt is it? The voters should just repudiate the committments made by the previous criminal and banker complicit government. Sorry, but they did it, and you bribed them to do it, and we are not playing that game.

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Or what? That sound in the distance seems more like war drums everyday. The ShePig is getting backed into a corner, seems she doesn't like the taste of her own dirty sausage. Whose army will back up her bacon?

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Google up odious debt. Is there any country whose people can't take refuge in that principle? Just festoon the lamp posts with current and recent politicians, declare the debt to be odious, and move on.

If enough countries do that, folks may get wary about lending to tyrants, and that would be a very good thing for us all.
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If there is one thing I've learned in the past four years (beginning with TARP), it is this:

When a politician says "there is no alternative" what they really mean is "bend over, here it comes serfs!"

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They have managed to kick the can this far, another year isn’t out of the question for those parasites. They would rather defer payment until never, or the day right after. Before they are told publicly to shove it. It could send the wrong kind of message to the other debtor nations. They can’t have none of that now can they? Besides any shortfall in interest payments can always be made up with a push of a button. Fiat, it’s what’s for dinner.

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" or into any other orifice they deem appropriate. "

I wouldnt shove it into any of her orifices if I was using you dick.

Stupid French bitch.
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So...once again I'll pose this question. What happens when they openly advocate that the UN back up the austerity measures with military force??? I think LaGarde is just shy of doing exactly that.
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I think LaGarde is correct. Greece needs to tell them to **** themselves, but the government of Greece is for getting money for themselves. They won't be able to wipe their asses fast enough with anything called the Drachma and they won't have any choice but to balance their budget, if they can even invent money that will spend. The IMF is a gang******group. Their flaming finger is many times larger than the one Greece can fire at them. Exit Euro and there will be a 100% chance of revolution. The bankers will fiunance it.

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“What happens when they openly advocate that the UN back up the austerity measures with military force??? “

They will never do that. It would force a default. That is the last thing they want. No, extend and pretend is the only option they have left. They will kick this can till it is nothing but a memory of a can. Then they will swing their foot like they are kicking a can. The illusion will be held up with the fiat apparition machine.

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This will end in war.
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Who can afford the bullets? The banks are insolvent as are the countries.

Straws and spit-ballz anyone?

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The German culture is very authoritarian. I worked for several Germans and for a couple Europeans that sternly informed me they were citizens of other countries but German by race.
When we came to an impasse on some business practices and I just said NO they could not deal with it at all. I'm talking red in the face furious to where I was afraid the one fellow was going to stroke out.
I just quit on the spot. I was told: "You can't just run away from your problems."
But indeed I could. There were other people for who I could work that didn't have the problems with me they did.
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As soon as Greece repudiates it's debt a flood of investment capital will come pouring in...

Just like Russia, just like Argentina, just like all the others.

It's very simple. A credit risk is determined by outstanding debt versus income.

Money has to flow somewhere and instantly it would flow to Greece again... I'd give them money... hell it would be many years before they could blow up again !

This is the dirty little secret the bankers Don't want known.


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Exactly.

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Gen beat me to it.

Lemon...that is exactly how it works.

Why is it so hard for people to grasp the concept of "nonpayable debt is destructive to any economy"?

It's not a moral issue...it is math.

Bankruptcy laws have survived for years and years for one simple reason...they are productive.
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Repudiating the debt by a sovereign is actually easier than a sole responsible individual.

When a sovereign does it the new crop of politicians say, "It wasn't me that ran up the debt... it was the last guy!"

Bankruptcy laws keep the creditors from misallocating capital. They have to eat their cooking if they get it wrong !

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We better repudiate now while everyone's distracted...smiley
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