The Mental Disease Called Liberalism (Health Reform)
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Posted 2012-05-05 12:35
by Karl Denninger
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The Mental Disease Called Liberalism (Health Reform)
 

It just never ends, does it?

As they await the Supreme Court ruling on the Affordable Care Act, legal critics of the law say their case is about liberty. If the government can instruct people to obtain health insurance, they keep asking, what’s to stop it from requiring them to buy broccoli?

But the real threat to liberty in this case isn’t a hypothetical broccoli law. It’s the problem that the mandate remedies -- the failure of the health-insurance market -- and the long-standing national crisis of rising health-care costs that Congress finally found a way to address.

It’s not a coincidence that in every advanced country in the world, including the U.S., the government is heavily involved in the health-care market and has been for generations. Everybody needs medical attention, at some point, and virtually everybody needs health insurance to pay for it. Nobody can predict when he or she will need care and virtually nobody can pay for it out of pocket. Even the law’s challengers acknowledge these facts.

See how the lie is set up?  The premise put forward -- that everyone needs medical attention at some point, and virtually everyone needs insurance to pay for it, is put forward as a "fait accompli" without first asking the following questions:

  • Has it always been this way? Can you, for example, show us that health insurance was necessary in, oh, 1776?  1850?  1913?  1953?  1970? 

  • Has everyone "needed" medical attention "at some point" historically as well?  Was that true in 1776?  1850?  1913?  1953?  Or 1970? 

It's a fact that virtually everyone has in fact "needed" medical attention "at some point" historically.  But America, and the rest of the world, managed to economically progress for hundreds of years without force-placed "insurance" or the government being materially involved in health care.

An honest inquiry is therefore forced to ask the following question: What happened?

That's relatively simple: Government happened.

Before EMTALA in the 1980s, passed under Ronald Reagan, if you didn't have health insurance or money and had a grievous health condition of immediate concern (e.g. a heart attack) you would be taken to a charity hospital or charity ward for treatment.  There various groups, mostly religious organizations, had purchased space and supplies and doctors donated their time to treat those who couldn't pay.  It wasn't a perfect system; you might in fact die.

But if you have a heart attack while sitting in the ER the odds are pretty good you're going to be leaving that hospital in a box -- and this is with you literally feet away from the best medical intervention we know how to muster!  The simple fact of the matter is that irreversible brain damage happens at about 4 minutes without circulation and the clock starts ticking when you fall over.  4 minutes is not a long time.

Now here's what you may not know.  The average response time of a BLS (basic life support) ambulance is 10 minutes from the time of the call on a national basis.  There are many major metropolitan areas where on many nights the average response time is 20 minutes.

There are few if any jurisdictions where you can reasonably expect an EMS response within that 4 minutes from the time you pick up the phone (remember, the time on the phone with the E911 center counts!)

So what was the truth of EMTALA?  The truth was that there were a handful of high-profile cases where someone had a bad outcome, and probably would have even with the law in place.  But EMTALA created the "need" for "universal" medical insurance because it forced everyone to be treated irrespective of ability to pay and irrespective of a provider's willingness to give care for no renumeration.

In other words government created this crisis -- intentionally.  And who cheered it on?  The Catholic Church which took their historical role as the source of charity care freely provided by people of faith and offloaded it onto government -- that is, you -- via the rank abuse of the government's monopoly on force. 

This is not a singular event.  After the Civil War the first parts of Gun Control were passed.  Why?  To keep "those people" from being armed (having a gun is a rather strong deterrent to the group of KKK members who want to burn a cross on your front yard -- or burn your house!)  Guess who commits the majority of murders today and who are the majority of victims, despite being less than 20% of the population?  That's right -- black people -- the very people the government intentionally attempted to, and did, effectively disarm.

You used to be able to order a gun in the Sears' Catalog and have it sent to you through the mail.  Really.  That was rather anonymous in that there were no records (other than Sears' invoice files) and nobody knew what the package was from Sears -- for all they knew you had bought a few pairs of pants.

Government created a problem that it then "came to the rescue" to solve it.  However, it didn't solve anything -- the fact of the matter is that it made the problem worse in that now we have the majority of both homicide perpetrators and victims among those the original "gun control" laws targeted for restriction!  That these laws have not been stricken from the books is iron-clad proof that original intent of gun control was in fact to disadvantage black people and it is still is.

Similarly, the market has not failed in the case of Health Care -- government broke it, on purpose, with EMTALA, cheered on by the very organizations that used to be the source of public charity for these good works.

But it gets worse.

Government also intentionally drives up the cost of care, making it difficult to afford in myriad other ways.  There are many drugs that cost $10, $20 or even $100 a day.  The pharmaceutical companies defend this pricing by pointing out that it takes billions of dollars to develop new drugs, and that if they cannot charge that sort of price then there will be no development.

But they don't charge that price everywhere -- only here.  In Canada the government forbids this sort of cost game, and the same drug is 1/10th or even 1/100th of the price it is here.  In other nations the government tells the drug companies that if they don't charge what they believe is a "reasonable" price they'll simply ignore the patents and make them on their own, and the company will get zero. 

This is force, but it's rather funny how the drug companies, rather than simply walking off, take the lower price and supply the drug.  Why?  If it's below the cost of production they'd never do that -- so obviously it isn't.

Those same firms then get passed laws that make it illegal for you to buy something in one place at a mutually-agreed price and sell it somewhere else -- like here in America.  The drug companies claim that there's a "safety" issue with reimportation.  The truth is that counterfeiting is always illegal and always has been. 

The effect of these laws is to force the United States consumer to pay the full cost of development of essentially every advanced drug and device in the world, which the rest of the world then gets to enjoy for reproduction cost plus a small profit, while we are literally forced to pay the bill for their development.

Incidentally this sort of price-fixing is a felony in virtually every other area of commerce; if I buy and own a thing I may do what I wish with it, including reselling it, in anything approaching a free market.

If this intentional screwing through legal preference went away your price of an "on patent" drug would likely fall by 80% or more.  The cost in other areas of the world would go up -- a lot -- maybe by a factor of two or more.  Some therapies might indeed not be developed.  But that's no different than the state now, before they're developed, is it?

Nor is there competition when it comes to medical facilities.  You must have a license to open an MRI, for example.  The owners of MRIs in your area will lobby furiously to prevent you from opening a new one if there is no "need" -- and they define "need" as "we can't serve all the patients who want this service." Worse, these medical providers control the licensing process and thus can simply deny that license -- and they do!

Most entrepreneurs define "need" differently, and so does the market.  If there were two oil change places in your town and both charged $250 because they conspired to do so in order to jack up their profits you might be inclined to open a third one and charge $30.  You not only would get the majority of the business but the other two would see their profit margins cut rather significantly as they were forced to cut prices or go out of business.  Consumers would benefit from the lower price.  This is the essence of competition but it is legally barred in the medical field by the very people who bleat about how horrible it is that you can't afford health care. 

These people, including both the medical providers such as doctors, hospitals, treatment centers such as MRI and CAT scan operators and government have actively conspired to hold prices high through monopoly control over the number of businesses that can offer a service, and the terms on which it can be offered.

Again, this is unlawful in virtually every other line of business.  If I got together with the three competitors who opened internet services about the time I did and fixed prices at $100/month, then got the government to make it illegal to open a new company to provide internet service without getting their permission first I would have made a lot more money.  But that conduct, assuming I could pull it off, is a felony in the general sense. 

In the health care "screw the consumer" industry it is not only legal it is practiced every single day.

Then there's the health provider racket itself.  If you've been treated in a hospital or other similar facility and looked at the bill you've probably seen this.  $20 for an aspirin that cost 10 cents, $50 for a scalpel (that cost a dollar) and similar.  When you add up the numbers at the bottom you probably also saw that the "bill" was for $30,000 but the insurance company billed, and was paid, $2,000 -- and this was marked "payment in full."

Huh?

It's generally illegal to discriminate against people who buy a thing of like kind and quality, especially when the "charge" presented is one of adhesion -- that is, you're deprived of any meaningful ability to negotiate up front. 

It's rather hard to negotiate when you're flat on your back unconscious having a heart attack, right?

So what generated this "need" for health insurance?  It's simply this -- if you don't have it you'll be bankrupted, but the reason you'll be bankrupted is that you will be charged 5, 10, even 100 times as much as someone who does have it -- all in a concerted attempt to force you to buy that insurance up front.

Oh, that's illegal too -- it's called a "tied sale" and any attempt to impose one is against anti-trust law.  It's a per-se violation -- except in the medical industry, of course.

Proof that this is the case is found by the fact that you can get on a plane and fly to India to have a procedure performed at one tenth to one quarter of the cost in the US.  But there is no "insurance" and no treatment without money.  The hospital there is outfitted with US-supplied medical devices, the physicians were trained in our hospitals and the rooms look like something out of the Ritz Carlton and are priced more like them too -- instead of $10,000 a day. 

In short as soon as you actually buy health care in a free market you find that the market price is one tenth to one quarter of what it costs here in the United States for like kind and quality.

So now, having carefully constructed this paradigm not by the market, not by natural forces, not because of the inherent qualities of medical care the government now comes in and attempts to mandate that you buy what a bunch of companies who conspired with government and among themselves to make such a service a "must have" put together!

We, the people, argue over whether this is equivalent to a mandate to buy broccoli.

No, folks, it is not.

The violation of your rights and of the Constitution, the raw, unbridled theft and fraud undertaken by this so-called "industry" playing on your fear of mortality and chock full of intentional distortions that are put together for the singular purpose of financially raping you, already happened. 

What we're now arguing over is whether government should be able to codify that financial******into statute, removing the last option you have to resist -- to accept your mortality and, should you lose the lottery when it comes to medical care and be unable to negotiate something privately at a more-reasonable cost you can afford or to travel somewhere that has an actual free market medical system, to pass onward.

The lawmakers advocating this deserve ejection from public office, The New Republic deserves a boycott of itself and its advertisers and the University of Chicago deserves to have its degrees rendered worthless in the marketplace, with its graduates subjected to blackball, so long as this sort of crap continues to be emitted from it.

Yes, the University and its professors have the right to free speech.  But we, the people, have the right of free association -- including the right not to associate.

Let's enforce our rights and see how they like the free-market consequences of exercising theirs.

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Just like the non profits with the 500K a year gaggle of executives, a lot of those Catholic hospitals have been sold into the private domain, like Tenet. In others the underfunded pension plans blow up and they are not PBGC guaranteed.
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Liberalism is definitely a form of mental illness. I'd say it is a suicidally fatal disease. But the worst thing about it is how contagious it is.

The Democrat, Republican and even the Libertarian parties are all infected.
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How about the AMA keeping the number of seats in the medical schools artificially low creating weak supply while demand climbs higher? There were times when I've had to wait 6 weeks to see a specialist. That shouldn't happen in a developed nation.

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Thanks to EMTALA, many indigent and low-income pregnant women in Houston quit depending solely on the county hospital system for prenatal and delivery care. OB care in labor and delivery units at not-for-profit and private hospitals went from a system in which a patient would contact her doctor if she thought she may need to go to the hospital, the doctor would call L&D, an L&D nurse would be assigned, the nurse would pull and review the prenatal record which the OB's office had sent at 36 weeks gestation and would prep the room and the papers. EMTALA (IMO) had a perverse effect on obstetric care. Women who received prenatal care through the publicly-funded hospitals often turned and dropped into the ERs at the nonsystem hospitals. Usually, they arrived without any records. The doctors and nurses would have to start over from scratch to take histories and obtain consents. Houston is an international city. I've dealt with patients in L&D who spoke little English and could communicate effectively only Spanish, or Mandarin, or Cantonese, or Vietnamese, or Urdu, or an Arabic dialect, or even other languages. The communication factor slowed down delivery of care even with a translator. EMTALA injected more risk and more of a sense of entitlement into an area that already was a cash cow for malpractice attorneys.
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Karl this is one of your best posts ever. I think I'll bookmark it for future use.

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A little something that makes it even worse:
After six to twelve months of non-payment for an uninsured medical event, hospitals and doctors are often willing to accept, as payment in full, an amount equivalent to or less than what would have been paid by a health insurance company for an insured patient for the same service.

However...

The difference between the originally billed amount and the settlement is treated as TAXABLE 1099-C INCOME, due for the year of forgiveness. I just bumped into this. Among a teetering pile of other medical bills, I incurred a $14K hospital bill 18 months ago. The service was good and the doctors were great and I was, as usual, dead broke. I felt bad about it and it contributed to a hip-deep pool of humiliation. I got a $4K cash windfall eight months later, and I thought to settle for the amount an insurance company would have paid, which research told me was $3200. The hospital billing department told me that was acceptable - and I would receive a 1099-C for over $10K. No way to avoid it, billing said. I couldn't afford the tax hit. The medical bill remains unpaid to this day. I would rather owe a hospital bill forever than owe the IRS.
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I object to the term 'liberalism' - I believe that the proper terminology is 'progressivism'.

Our Founders were the liberals of their day. Indeed classical liberalism could be the definition of the premise that was the founding of our country.

It is those to ascribe to the idea that the US Constitution's principle foundation is flawed in that they do not recognize that 'rights' are something with which people are endowed at birth and that certain traits of human beings remain constant throughout history. They utterly fail to acknowledge that there are certain things about the nature of humans that have never changed from our inception - specifically, that humans are and always will have the capacity for good and evil. Progressives completely fail to understand that any good, just, and successful government must acknowledge these flaws in order to facilitate liberty and freedom and the protection of rights for everyone.

It is progressives who believe that human nature can be perfected, and therefore, a government must change its principles as history dictates in response to 'advancement' of this human perfection.

It is progressives who believe that government is the only way to facilitate this 'perfecting' of the human condition through altering and 'progressing' the power of government.

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Progressive is nicer sounding word for a modern day "liberal" and most on them hate to be called liberal.

I refer the term small "l" libertarian for the views of the founding fathers.

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Small-ell libertarians are those who consider the Libertarian Party tactically ineffective, or who reject the political system generally and view democracy as "the tyranny of the majority".


A term coined by radio host Jason Lewis a few years back.

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"An honest inquiry is therefore forced to ask the following question: What happened?

That's relatively simple: Government happened."

If I remember my history right....this all started in WWII..the government put wage controls into effect because of the severe shortage of workers...so business couldn't offer more money to attract workers....but they could offer a "benefits package"...and "free" health insurance was in a lot of those packages.

So what happened was War and government meddling in the free market...screwed us then and now....things will never change.

I like ObamaCare in that it will destroy the current system..BIN (Burn in Hell).

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Debt: Nixon was the chief architect of that. WWII was a small part of it. It was Nixon's wage and price controls that really hammered employee health insurance into the system.

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Excellent!

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"Nixon's wage and price controls that really hammered employee health insurance into the system."

LOL! So Republicans are responsible for this insurance mess:)

I can't wait to slap the nutjob rightwingers I know upside the head with that little fact...

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WOW!!! Thanks for writing this Karl. Great article man.
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Nixon was hardly a right-winger. His economic policies were very FDR-like. Watch some of the films of FDR weekly talks on youtube. He'd tell the people what the price of various commodities were going to be that week. This preceded Nixon's wage and price controls.

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I have a better term, totalitarian.

I like Karl's discussion of the government imposed monopolies we have in health care. Question is, where does all the money go. It don't go to pay for the uninsured, though that is a cost. When the cash bill reads $50,000 and the insurance company, which is being paid $500 or more a month pays $10,000, there might be a clue. 20 months, the bill has been paid. Why does the hospital MRI or Catscan cost 4 or 5 times as much as the one you go to on the street? Think the insurance company pays those prices? Would a lot more cash bills get paid if the patients received insurance company prices?

How much should a doctor make? Probably depends on the doctor. They have overhead; staffing, insurnance, office rent, supplies, etc, so the starting salary has to go on top of their overhead. I would venture malpractice is a premium on services rendered, thus a percentage and not a fixed cost.

Then we have the pill business. I think the pill business is a multi-level scam, from the companies to the doctors to the pharmacies and including Congress, executive and insurance companies in the scam. Why are the cash customers ****ed by the street level pharmacy? The best I have been able to determine, the copay is the margin of profit, as the drugs are covered wholesale to the insurer. This is a circular extortion racket.

Maybe this is all government is, a scheme of the top getting together to **** the guys in the middle. Don't think you are on the top if you have $50 million. These guys are paupers, who live on huge incomes that go on forever. Your $50 million wouldn't keep their toys going for a year. Like Leona Helmsley said, taxes are for poor people. This is why the term we are looking for is Libertarian, not liberal or Conservative.

Murray Rothbard said American liberal economics belonged on the left. That what we called liberal or socialist was in the middle, because there wasn't an anchor and the conservative was rule from the top. He put the socialist in the middle, because they stood for nothing and had no anchor. It was why their causes always fall apart over time. I believe a true libertarian has trouble with politics in the vein that engaging in the scheme involves telling and forcing onto the world your own vision. Instead, they protest all of what government does. The best a libertarian could do is repeal most of the previous law. Our job isn't to figure out what is best for people or tilt the floor in any direction.

This is why Ron Paul gets so many blank stares. How can a guy answer a question about what he would do to fix something when his solution for governmetn is to quit doing anything. These people want to hear about a grand scheme. Paul don't have one. Neither do those that propose one, have one that will work.

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You just cant ignore the roll regulators have played in this. We are gona do it wrong as we can and you better like it. At the center of all this is a complete lack of ethics.


PS Aint no ****ing superman comin.
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Youre broccoli reference reminds me of this Seinfeld episode

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJw6Z-MLy....

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Here is a concrete example of what Gen is talking about re prescriptions.

My son was prescribed Zyprexa last month.

Name brand one month supply in US........$970.
Generic one month supply in US...............$530.
Generic one month supply from Canada......$28.

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I know Karl has touched on this before, but why is it that prices aren't published in the doctor's office? First, I have to ask for them, then depending on my coverage, the price is a reflection of what has been negotiated. Why does the insurance company achieve the substantially discounted payment for services compared to an uninsured individual? What difference should it make? If services are being rendered, how is even conceivable that the pricing gets stratified according to whether or not you are covered? That is unbelievably objectionable on its face. And what makes it more ridiculous is that the practitioner accepts the lower payments and overtly (though legally) discriminates with higher charges against the uninsured.

Parent friend's kid who needed some fast emergency antibiotic IV treatment, found out that despite having the health coverage of a teacher, they still got dinged for over $15k 2x (he needed it a second time...do this, or your son is going to die).

It's no longer the disease or illness that will kill you, it's the bill (both the premiums and the **** they don't cover). All I want is catastrophic coverage and I'll pay cash for routine maintenance.

Our system is so ****ed up, and ****ed. Currently InTrade has a 55.2% chance of The US Supreme Court to rule individual mandate unconstitutional before midnight ET 31 Dec 2012. Bring it on bitchez.

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Quote:
as economists have long understood, the health-insurance market is almost uniquely prone to dysfunction.

Wow. Intellectually and morally bankrupt does not begin to describe these corrupt clowns. Nice job Karl.

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Agreed Steph, humanist fundamentalism has always been a dangerous philosophy.. Monsters walk among us, they always have and always will. No amount of ivory tower "progress" is going to make us so "civilized" we no longer require the means to protect ourselves, or that men placed above the law will freely choose not to abuse that status out of the kindness of their perfect human hearts.

Apparently the GOP and Democrats agree that humans are so inherently and universally kind that they can safely be organized into unrestrained corporate super-monopolies, and that outright collusion and price-fixing across the entire health industry will only brighten the light of charity they can shine down upon us all.

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...The difference between the originally billed amount and the settlement is treated as TAXABLE 1099-C INCOME...


Since the billed amount and the "approved" amount which is what is paid by the insurance company is shown on each of my medical bills, I wonder if the insurance company is also exposed to this tax due to it's windfall on each of its insured customers.

Nope, I didn't think so...

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(double post, oops)

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The truth is that the Liberalism is no where near close to any sort of left. There never will be a left in this country because as soon as a leftist movement came up it will be targeted by a "leftist" or right-central government (if Chris Hedges is to be believed) because all of the institutions were already destroyed by the mid thirties. The right will always state conspiracy theories and what not - and while the case against the President is proven - any such creation of a Socialistic state can never take place because there is way too many fail safes.

If anything the right has done more damage than the left. Nixon with his insurance, Regan with the tricks he played on the economic system (to be fair Clinton was much worse with the SS raiding) Bush I and II with the latter withe housing mess.) the play book for the right0 has always been a theocratic state. Even though those that were Ryndians were socialist when it failed, and fascist when it mattered/when they were successful. In the end it all fails. FDR IMHO deliberately tanked the economy not to save it from the bankers or the people. He tanked it because he feared before any new banks came up from the old - the socialists would have taken over much of the country making it irrelevant (this is what im getting from a Talk Mr Hedges had with Occupy Princeton)

Its a sad state of affairs.

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