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| Idiocracy On Display (Again): Krugman in forum [Market-Ticker]
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Peterm99
Posts: 4984
Incept: 2009-03-21
SoCal
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Very interesting.
I would have expected that a "professional economist" throwing detail and economic jargon around would have unequivocally bested someone like Ron Paul in a head to head discussion, even as short as this was. The fact that he was unable to, IMO, shows that Krugman's economic philosophy is as vacuous as the blatherings of people like Summers, et al.
While Ron Paul has the principles correct (e.g, limited gov't, no central economic planning, etc.) he falls short in a discussion such as this because he doesn't articulate reasons/rationale very well and he's just too hung up on the "Gold will solve most things" meme.
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Hilandstrata
Posts: 175
Incept: 2008-10-19
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Krugman is actually supporting Bernankes actions by stating the extreme. "see, inflation really isn't that bad right now" What a tool. Den of thieves, all of them.
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Karlmarxghost
Posts: 4147
Incept: 2009-01-26
I'm Your Huckleberry
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Quote:I would have expected that a "professional economist" throwing detail and economic jargon around would have unequivocally bested someone like Ron Paul in a head to head discussion Funny isn't it. Usually these politicians are just talking heads who can only blather talking points. Ron Paul actually has brains and convictions. Quote: While Ron Paul has the principles correct (e.g, limited gov't, no central economic planning, etc.) he falls short in a discussion such as this because he doesn't articulate reasons/rationale very well and he's just too hung up on the "Gold will solve most things" meme
Totally agree with this statement. He is so right on everything in regards to central economic planning etc but he just cannot get off the gold. I don't know if that is because he owns a **** load or if he forgets that we had these same problems even on a gold standard. Edit to add: So Karl, when are YOU and Krugman gonna go head to head? Popcorn is on me :-)
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Ghopper
Posts: 2314
Incept: 2011-06-11
Staten Island, NY
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Quote:"Edit to add: So Karl, when are YOU and Krugman gonna go head to head? Popcorn is on me :-)" Krudman is constantly wrong, but he isn't THAT dumb. Karl would make a bigger fool out of him than he is now. But I would pay to watch that.
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Salt
Posts: 191
Incept: 2010-05-28
NC
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The problem is that he hasn't (and I don't know why he won't) go after the debasement committed by private banking interests at the behest of government.
I question whether the public at large is ready for the Full Monty?
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Bearshort
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pkrugman@princeton.edu
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Jeannedarc
Posts: 34
Incept: 2010-06-26
Orleans
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I am getting really sick of Krugmonkey in the press these days, even more so than usual. Oh, 8% unemployment is bad, but 2-3% inflation each year is ok?
Get that d-bag into some Accounting 101 classes, to see if he can learn the "stable currency principle" - and then let's see if he can reconcile that with the 2000% decrease in the value of the dollar since 1913.
Krugman's a lapdog, and imo the inane yappings from his furry face indicate that his diplomas may just as well be from the American Kennel Club than from MIT and Yale.
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Jander
Posts: 114
Incept: 2009-06-15
Atlanta
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well said karl..
I would have hoped Ron could make him look like a blabbering idiot during this exchange, particularly based on what krugman was saying, but I do think he clearly 'won' the debate. I'd prefer a Peter Schiff/Rand Paul/Tom Woods/Yourself debate with Krugman to really illuminate the bull**** being spewed forth by these people...
I was happy to hear the RP stopped short of advocating for a gold standard. I do think that legalizing competing currencies backed by something physical would provide an alternative to the destruction of purchasing power initiated by the fed.
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Docj
Posts: 998
Incept: 2009-09-10
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One thing you can say about Paulie Krugnuts - he's consistent.
Oh and another, he's also insane.
And if he didn't have an influential voice in The Halls Of Power he'd be harmless. But he does, and he's not.
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Joshua_d
Posts: 163
Incept: 2010-08-26
Lenoir, NC
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"The problem is that he hasn't (and I don't know why he won't) go after the debasement committed by private banking interests at the behest of government."
It may be that Ron Paul is simply fighting one battle in the war. The Fed is the base for all the credit/money expansion done by private banks. Also, the FDIC backs all private bank credit/money expansion, right? Only 1 in what 50, 100 people even understand what fraciontal reserve banking is anyway.
Baby steps. Of course, one could argue that now isn't the time for baby steps, and I'd likely agree.
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Clawback
Posts: 85
Incept: 2009-11-08
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Actually Paul did address the point about fractional reserve lending. Krugman brought up things like repo as being money substitutes and/or the creation of money out fo thin air. That's what Ron Paul was referring to when he said that banks and private players shouldn't be allowed to perpetuate "fraud." To the point above about "baby steps," even Krugman was flummoxed by the notion that fractional reserve is tantamount to "fraud." Joe6pack isn't ready yet.
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Oldpool
Posts: 873
Incept: 2010-06-23
LI NY
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I think this guy is with the Mises Institute or opposite of Krugnutz Robert Wenzel’s great speech at New York Federal Reserve Bank At the invitation of the New York Federal Reserve Bank, I spoke and had lunch in the bank's Liberty Room. Below are my prepared remarks. Thank you very much for inviting me to speak here at the New York Federal Reserve Bank. Intellectual discourse is, of course, extraordinarily valuable in reaching truth. In this sense, I welcome the opportunity to discuss my views on the economy and monetary policy and how they may differ with those of you here at the Fed. That said, I suspect my views are so different from those of you here today that my comments will be a complete failure in convincing you to do what I believe should be done, which is to close down the entire Federal Reserve System http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/201....
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Jwm_in_sb
Posts: 1041
Incept: 2009-04-16
California Desert
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I think the reason RP doesn't address the real issue is because he knows his supporters / constituency are "Gold Bugs" by definition. If dropped the Gold standard bent on his arguments, he'd immediately lose a big chunk of his supporters. I suspect he knows this quite well.
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Clawback
Posts: 85
Incept: 2009-11-08
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"I think the reason RP doesn't address the real issue is because he knows his supporters / constituency are "Gold Bugs" by definition. If dropped the Gold standard bent on his arguments, he'd immediately lose a big chunk of his supporters. I suspect he knows this quite well."
Actually, RP says all the time that the market should determine what counts as money and that it may be some kind of commodity standard that emerges, not a gold standard necessarily.
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Jander
Posts: 114
Incept: 2009-06-15
Atlanta
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Jwm.... you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Additionally, RP could care less if he has supporters or not, he is interested in spreading a message
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Drb
Posts: 195
Incept: 2011-01-02
TX
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Docj -
Krugman is NOT consistent. He was railing against deficits in Bush era while when Obama is in power deficits are good. Krugman is supporting Democrats whatever they do, just like some people on this forum support Republicans whatever they do :).
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Obseedian
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Incept: 2007-07-26
BBRY Central
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They both fail, as the real issues were not talked about. But Krugman fails worse.
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Bertdilbert
Posts: 2658
Incept: 2008-12-22
CA
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I am going to have to save watching the Paul/Krugman video for later, don't want to spoil my day this early.
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Docj
Posts: 998
Incept: 2009-09-10
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As I said, Drb - at least he's consistent (in this case, a consistent hack for the left-facsists).
Or, maybe a better word would have been "predictable".
Chers -
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Irishblues
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Steelhead23
Posts: 2041
Incept: 2008-09-09
Portland OR
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In no way would I wish to be seen as supporting Krugman, but... The specific action he is seeking is one I would support. Krugman wants the Fed to increase interest rates to promote inflation. Well, I happen to agree with the action, for almost exactly the opposite reason. EZ money is a curse. It is debasing the dollar, causing oil price inflation and a host of other woes. If the Fed were to say, move the Fed funds rates to 2%, asset prices would have to fall (less money chasing the same goods = lower prices, even in Krugman's ISLM world). Further, higher Fed funds rates would rock the stock market, which you shorters should like. But I have to say, I feel a tad like Alice in Wonderland here - agreeing with PK, for exactly the opposite reason he espouses. Oh yeah, higher Fed funds rates would likely push interest on Ts higher, meaning that a tighter Fed policy would also rein in government spending. Would someone please help me out of this rabbit hole?
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J0nx
Posts: 3068
Incept: 2008-08-12
The trashcan of the nation
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Krugman is just one of 3 or 4 Baghdad Bobs that the PTB trot out to assure the nation that everything is going to be OK. Of course he knows what he says is pure bull**** but he's paid to say it and stands to gain by saying it. Same with Summers, Liesman and any others that I forget. That's why I don't think they should ever be mentioned in a ticker as they aren't really worthy of discussion. They know and we know that they are full of ****. The other 90% of Americans, however, don't know what's what and those are the people that these charlatans are trying to convince.
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The fraud and lies are only allowed to continue because the people allow it. Either through apathy or ignorance, they still allow it.
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Mikek31
Posts: 4350
Incept: 2009-05-04
Chicago
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If Obama were to do the "right" thing, he would've had CDS written on his head and been assassinated sooner or later. The "right" thing to do is NOT run for office in the first place, unless, or course, you get a kick out of constantly lying and spewing bull**** all across the world, with the added perks of great pay, your own jet liner, various ego-fulfilling awards like the Nobel Peace Prize, etc. That's all Obama cares about when you come right down to it. No different than any other dictator.
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Steved
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Incept: 2007-10-30
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I side with RP on this one. Krugman is at least consistent. And I consistently tend to disagree with him.
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