More Dumb: Teen Diabetes
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Posted 2012-04-30 08:31
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More Dumb: Teen Diabetes
 

There are two ways to attempt to solve any problem: The easy way and the right way.

We continually demand to reach for the "easy" button.  Thus, when we have a medical problem we reach for the pharmaceutical industry -- a "magic pill" to treat or cure whatever ails us. 

This is appropriate when the problem is, for example, a bacterial infection.  Antibiotics are clearly one of the great innovations of history and have saved literal millions by providing the "markers" that the body needs to find and eliminate bacterial invaders.

But when it comes to many other conditions the exact opposite applies.  Type II diabetes is one of these, especially among teens:

LOS ANGELES — New research sends a stark warning to overweight teens: If you develop diabetes, you'll have a very tough time keeping it under control.

A major study, released Sunday, tested several ways to manage blood sugar in teens newly diagnosed with diabetes and found that nearly half of them failed within a few years and 1 in 5 suffered serious complications. The results spell trouble for a nation facing rising rates of "diabesity" — Type 2 diabetes brought on by obesity. 

The problem is that the disease itself is caused by obesity.  That is, eating too much and moving too little.  The means to prevent the disease and, in its early stages to halt and reverse it, is to eat less and move more and at least as importantly getting the damned simple carb explosion out of the diet.

But that's not "easy."  It requires damaging these poor darlings' "self-esteem" and telling them the truth -- if you keep doing the things that led you to get fat you're going to die.

It requires that we tell people the truth and expect them to deal with the consequences of their actions, whether for good or bad.  It requires personal accountability.  And it requires that we stop demanding the damned "easy" button for everything that ails us as people and as a nation.

This problem is not limited to teens and diabetes.  It is in fact true for most of what ails America.  It is driving the cost of medical care through the roof and, along with the pharmaceutical industry's "protections" against price competition and forced cost-shifting imposed upon us all it has led to the Federal Government's spending on heath care going from $53 billion in 1980 to over $820 billion last year.

This cannot continue.  It is mathematically impossible.  There is exactly one way to stop the impending collapse of both our teens with these conditions and our medical system generally, and that is to tell the truth and make clear to everyone from teens on to Senior Citizens that the choices you make will come with consequences and society both cannot and will not shield you from those consequences.

"A single pill or single approach is not going to get the job done," he said.

Among all the teens in the study, 1 in 5 had a serious complication such as very high blood sugar, usually landing them in the hospital.

What will get the job done is losing the weight and keeping it off.

In short, we must stop lying to people in this area as in others.

There is one -- and only one -- known way to solve this problem.  Stop stuffing the damned pie hole.  Get the simple carbs out of your diet entirely, thereby removing daily insulin insults from the body's metabolism.  Exercise more and eat less until the weight comes off and change how and what you eat and therefore what you weigh on a permanent basis.

If done early enough, when the first signs of trouble appear, there's a decent shot at stopping and even reversing the progress of this disease, provided you maintain that discipline through your life.  If you do not take these steps then some of the damage will be irreversible.  If you continue to fail to act then more of the damage will become irreversible and the idea that you can simply reach for a pill to "fix it" is a damned lie that should bring manslaughter charges against all who promulgate it from the pill pushers to the doctor in the office.

Every body is different, every metabolism different.  But this much is true -- if you put more calories into the system than are consumed it has to go somewhere and the only place it can go is body mass.  Metabolism and what you stuff down the pie hole matters as to your ability to manage that process and maintain balance but in terms of outcome it's quite simple -- the heavier you are beyond normal weight the more likely you will suffer negatively in health outcomes.

Period.

We have start telling these patients the truth -- your choices are to either fix your lifestyle -- what you eat and how much you move and therefore lose the weight or odds are you will suffer the ugly and irreversible consequences of this and other diseases such as blindness, amputations and death.

And cut the crap about the simple carbs and cereals while you're at it.  Glycemic index matters.  A lot.  For those with insulin resistance issues (Type II diabetes) it's the real deal and a $20 meter proves this with just minutes of effort.  That the medical and dietary establishment refuses to make this the focus of their efforts is all the evidence I need to find them ethically and morally bankrupt and question whether we are seeing incompetence or rank profiteering at the expense of people's lives.

The pill merchants from the corner doctor's office to the pharmaceutical reps and executives need to be thrown off a bridge with cement blocks tied around their ankles.  Their "path forward" for these young people has no merit and deserves severe sanction, as our refusal to tell the truth in this regard is no different in point of fact than the nonsense that we've run in so many other areas of our economic and personal lives, whether it be housing, offshoring or jobs or anything else with one difference: This time it's the literal lives of young people who hang in the balance, not just economic futures.

The "discouraging" results point to the need to create "a healthier 'eat less, move more'" culture to help avoid obesity that contributes to diabetes, Dr. David Allen of the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Health wrote in an accompanying editorial.

You just figured this out now Dr. Allen? smiley

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Jonliles
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My wife got Type 2 diabetes and she immediately changed her diet and she's been free of it for 5 years now, not having to take any pills, just needs to watch her carb intake. Simple as that...
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Karl,

I have been wanting to send you a thank you email for your advice on the low carb diet. But this seems like a good opportunity. Hearing about it from you and the Hawaiian Libertarian got me thinking about changing my diet could do. Doing a little research I found Mark Sisson's site (Mark's Daily Apple) and started low carb on March 1st. WOW, what a difference getting off that crap!! I have lost 12 pounds and feel so much better. Thank you for making a difference.

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'Yer welcome.

Time for this picture again I think...



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Tell teen males they won't be able to get it up with uncontrolled diabetes. Then we'll see if they prefer food or sex.

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What's funny is that in addition to having the most obese teens, our teens also have the highest rate of exercise .

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-....

This just further proves how bad the American diet is in general. We exercise the most, yet our other habits are so bad, that we are still one of the fattest countries in the world.
When I first got into lifting a couple of years ago, my trainer (got one to show me proper form so I wouldn't injure my back) at the time told me its 90% diet and 10% actually lifting. Didn't take this seriously until about 6 months later when I drastically changed my diet, and drastic results followed.
It doesn't even take that much of a change for the everyday person. Just stay away from the processed crap, and its really not that bad.
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hahaha,,,
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Those old jeans from high school Karl?
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No, and those are actually too big.... I hadn't done the last "re-buy" in the clothing gear yet.

I'll have to take a current one some time reasonably soon. Stable since roughly Thanksgiving, and happy with where I am.

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we just had another young adult come into our pharmacy diagnosed pre-diabetic.

I told her stop over-worrying (she is hypochondriac) change her diet, start walking.

Oh no, it's 'I have to test a lot and maybe get more pills.' She was on illegal drugs, got off them, and now the medi-pharma pimps have her a xanax addict. Tv just reinforces the legal drug culture.


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IMHO: It could be that "moving more" is the key for some people into better health, especially those people who have indulged in yo-yo dieting in the past.

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Obesity is commonly cited as the cause of numerous life-threatening diseases and disorders, including diabetes, heart disease and clogged arteries. According to Gaesser, these assertions, along with the frequently cited "phantom statistic" of 300,000 premature deaths per year caused by excessive weight, are not substantiated.

Not only is there insufficient evidence for the connection, says Gaesser, but also many studies have suggested just the opposite. For example, a large-scale 1998 study sponsored by the National Institutes of Health showed that among African Americans, the optimal body-mass-index (BMI) for longevity appears to be in the overweight range. Even among whites the data did not support the widely held belief that thin men and women live longest. Among older Americans, thinness is a more serious health problem than packing extra pounds.

While Gaesser may be bucking a trend in challenging the popular notions about body fat, many health professionals are beginning share his caveat: it may be OK to be fat if you are also fit. "Fat men and women who are physically fit and exercise regularly outlive thin men and women who are unfit and sedentary, and studies repeatedly show that it is easier to get a fat person fit than it is to get a fat person thin," he asserts.

Perhaps the most harmful aspect of the misinformation Gaesser sees perpetuated in popular press and advertising is the increase in unhealthy fad dieting. He is particularly concerned by the extreme strategies of regimes like those that profess to burn fat quickly, which has been shown by many opponents to have negative long-term health impact. "Chronic efforts at weight loss may be responsible for more deaths than 'excess weight' itself," he says.


Webpage: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/04/pr....

I have read Gaesser's book "Big Fat Lies: The Truth About Your Weight and Your Health". In it, weight loss is disconnected from nutrition and exercise as a health factor. (IMHO: his 20/20 plan is ridiculous; 20% fat calories and 20 minutes of moderate activity daily. Ninety minutes six days per week is needed. But, the book is good in shaking up people's ideas that weight loss is always a good thing.)

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Karl wrote..
Start telling these patients the truth -- your choices are to either fix your lifestyle -- what you eat and how much you move and therefore lose the weight or odds are you will suffer the ugly and irreversible consequences of this disease such as blindness, amputations and death.
Many doctors DO tell patients the truth. Fixing their lifestyle is too hard for many of the patients, or they are flatly unwilling to do so, so they demand the pill/med that's supposed to make it all better.

That seems to be especially true of low-income food stamp and Medicaid recipients. Taxpayers are funding both: welfare-recipients self-abusive lifestyle AND the medical treatment for such.
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While Gaesser may be bucking a trend in challenging the popular notions about body fat, many health professionals are beginning share his caveat: it may be OK to be fat if you are also fit. "Fat men and women who are physically fit and exercise regularly outlive thin men and women who are unfit and sedentary, and studies repeatedly show that it is easier to get a fat person fit than it is to get a fat person thin," he asserts.

Total crap.

If you get a fat person fit they also get thin, IF you get the ****ING HIGH GLYCEMIC CARBS OUT OF YOUR DAMNED DIET.

Fitness at a cardio level is about one and only one thing: VO2Max. Period.

And there is only ONE way to improve VO2Max, and that is to get damn close to your current ability if not all the way to it so as to grow that capacity. Yes, if you're unsure if you're at cardiac risk from this you damn well ought to get checked out first, and there IS a risk, even then. But there's no other way; I can attest from personal experience that if you stay in that ~60-65% area of "maximum" heart rate you stop getting more fit and stop improving your VO2Max quite quickly -- times will not come down and endurance will not go up.

Oh sure you burn the calories from ANY exercise at ANY level but if FITNESS is the goal then you need to push through that and keep doing it -- and you'll find that when you do so times come DOWN and endurance goes UP. A LOT.

If you keep pressing and pressing both will continue to improve. When I started this **** a bit more than a year ago I was lucky to be able to do HALF a single 12 minute mile and I felt like I got hit by a ****ing bus when I did it too. I was forced to stop after a half-mile and walk for a quarter-mile or so before I could continue.

I can now run a mile in the low 7s, 2 miles right around an 8 minute pace, and 3-5 miles right around 8:30. Or I can bike for a half-hour at a ~15mph pace non-stop without any problem at all. Yeah, it's a workout, but I like how I feel both when doing it and afterward.

I'm still improving and I'm an old bastard, pushing 50. I'd like to get my 5 mile time into the 7s, but that may take a while -- the improvements are more and more incremental (12s to 8s is a BIG change!)

That was then and this is now; if I can do it while pushing 50 anyone can do it. Those times are better than I turned when I was in High School and that's no bull****.

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Be careful, Karl. The North Carolina Board of Dietetics and Nutrition may take legal action against you for blogging about nutrition advice without a license. A blogger was talking about similar diet changes because of his diabetes, and that's what happened:

http://reason.com/blog/2012/04/23/bloggi....

Hope your low carb diet works out in the long term and doesn't produce intestinal distress.
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710x -- wheat causes intestinal distress. How would getting rid of wheat cause intestinal distress. Low-carb is a solution for leaky gut and other such ailments of digestion.

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I was at my daughter's elementary school for an evening function recently. Part of the program was the entire second grade class (about 120 kids) taking to the gym floor for a "dances of the world" exhibition. Thinking about the childhood obesety epidemic, I could find only three kids who were overweight, and none of them were what I would call obese. I was pleasantly surprised. I'm going to keep an eye on them as they grow to see how drastically that changes. Right now 98% are fit, or at least appear to be.

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^ I had the exact opposite experience at the zoo awhile back. Most of the kids (and adults) were fat, some approaching "morbidly obese". At least they were outside walking around though.
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" IMHO: It could be that "moving more" is the key for some people into better health, especially those people who have indulged in yo-yo dieting in the past"

IMHO I agree with the earlier-above that it's mostly diet. "Abs are made in the kitchen." I have spent many hours over the years weight lifting, cycling/running/swimming, and watching my diet and diet is ALWAYS what dictates my bodyfat. The problem with activity is as you increase it your hunger goes up, so looking at it as a panacea is wrong. It probably would surprise many to be told that the world's elite endurance athletes regularly have to diet down for their race season, this despite off-season activity magnitudes more than the lay person can ever hope to mimic.

And I can't tell you how many people I've read about online saying they do so many hours of cardio/week but cannot lose weight. They've been lied to about its importance. Cardio in particular is important for cardio vascular health, but of limited importance for weight loss. It starts and ends with food.

""Fat men and women who are physically fit and exercise regularly outlive thin men and women who are unfit and sedentary, and studies repeatedly show that it is easier to get a fat person fit than it is to get a fat person thin,""

This may be true, but there are very few physical fit fat people, that's just a simple fact.

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Nashvillian has proven he's in a high quality school system; above average incomes with above average parents and children, so his results are not at all surprising. If he went to a poorer area he'd see all the fat kids and parents.

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I'd like to see you successfully fight the corn lobby which captured Congress in the 70s and is even more entrenched than our favorite bankers.

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I don't know Karl you seem to be smiling more in the "before" picture. lol Good job knocking the weight off!
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If done early enough, when the first signs of trouble appear, there's a decent shot at stopping and even reversing the progress of this disease


Unfortunately this is not how medicine is practiced in the United States as it requires you to look for the cause instead of treating the symptoms.

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The pill merchants from the corner doctor's office to the pharmaceutical reps and executives need to be thrown off a bridge with cement blocks tied around their ankles.


You forgot to add to the list the food manufactures that lace our food supply with poisons (i.e. refined sugars). I recall reading that we consume over 180lbs of sugars a year compared to our ancient ancestors which only consumed a few teaspoons.


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No one shoves 'food' or pills down your mouth...These are decisions folks make... took KD 30+ years to change from lard ass to fit...some take longer or just enjoy the ride to death different...
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I love the low-carb diet I'm on for bodybuilding (on a cutting phase to get "ripped" for the summer)... There's nothing like eating steak and shrimp every night, sausage, cheese, hell even Buffalo Wild Wings while "dieting"... always fun seeing people's jaw hit the floor when they find out what I eat everyday all while they see me trimming up and get more defined every week LOL.

Once you stop drinking pop (I used to be a huge Mt. Dew freak) it's amazing just how disgustingly sweet it is when you have some again after a few weeks of none at all.

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No one shoves 'food' or pills down your mouth...These are decisions folks make... took KD 30+ years to change from lard ass to fit...some take longer or just enjoy the ride to death different...

Correction: It took me 20 years to make the decision.

It took less than nine months to actually do it.

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Nashvillian,

My kids' elementary school is about 65% Hispanic. Of those kids, probably 60% are obese (grades k-8). Don't know is the change in demographics is affecting the stats. In high school the obesity seems less ethnically-correlated, with some of the Hispanic kids leaning up and a lot of the other kids fattening up.
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