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Docj
Posts: 1000
Incept: 2009-09-10
Duck & Cover
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Every time I see someone running the jive that inflation is "overstated" in offical reports I get this cramping sensation in the pit of my wallet. Or maybe that's my backside. Hard to tell sometimes.
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The preservation of liberty depends upon the intellectual and moral character of the people. As long as knowledge and virtue are diffused generally among the body of a nation it is impossible they should be enslaved. - John Adams
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Flappingeagle
Posts: 1229
Incept: 2011-04-14
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Quote:the desperation of the government 30 years ago when I was 20 I saw this coming. When the time finally arrived that the government had to keep unkeepable promises I knew the fast and loose calculations would begin. The CPI calculation is already screwing everyone except the very rich, now they are going to change it to screw everyone even harder and deeper. Remember "what can't be paid, won't be paid" has been said before and that is where we are now. The government needs to default on a lot of promises but does not want to overtly default so, they are back-door defaulting. This CPI change will in effect be a further default on all governemnt future payment promises. Flap
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Here are my predictions for everyone to see: S&P 500 at 320, DOW at 2200, Gold $300/oz, and Corn $2/bu. "You can't build a house of cards on a shaking table." - Tony Johns The January 2015 AMZN put at $130 (cost $4.25) will be a winner.
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Crzymorse
Posts: 1195
Incept: 2010-06-25
Maryland
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"chained CPI" is defined as skittle siized droplets of multicolored excrement that is found on the ground around locations known to contain magical white horses with a horns protruding from their head.
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Contrarycanadian
Posts: 23
Incept: 2008-08-02
toronto
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until you sell the alleged "gain" is in fact fictitious as you can't spend a paper gain, only a realized one.
I disagree. HELOCS!
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Bagbalm
Posts: 4264
Incept: 2009-03-19
Just North of Detroit
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Next they will want to claw back Social Security and other payments if the CPI goes down.
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Trades50
Posts: 4218
Incept: 2007-10-30
Land of Tax and Spend
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There lies will continue until they can't. So less than 4 more years?
We just keep hitting those higher and annoying debt ceilings.
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When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson
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Vitchilo
Posts: 4637
Incept: 2011-04-27
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Quote:the rent for a given piece of property goes down during repressed interest rates, What? You mean rent is gonna go up AGAIN when interest rates rise?? Rent has been going up a whole lot every year right here in Canada... Right now, impossible to find a 4 1/2 below $900 month. If it goes even higher, a whole lot of people won't be able to afford rent and will be on the street. I understand the math, but I don't think the ``market`` can take another increase in price. Quote:For example, electricity is allegedly 2.894% (about 3%) of your budget. It can't be that low in northern states?? In Canada, during winter, it costs 300-500$ a month in electricity... Quote:For a family of four who only makes $25,000 a year I challenge you to feed them for under $200/month. Indeed. Quite impossible.
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"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -- H.L. Mencken
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Saschaefer
Posts: 35
Incept: 2009-06-29
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Um ... $200/month power bill = 2400/yr = 6% of 40K net income, not 10%
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Joejohns
Posts: 694
Incept: 2010-09-09
Banned
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Nope, the real sad part is that most of the peeps would be better off eating the dogfood than the "meat" provided in the supermarket.
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Northeaster
Posts: 68
Incept: 2011-05-13
Massachusetts
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Phxkevin
Posts: 353
Incept: 2010-06-25
Phoenix Arizona
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You are assuming that the particular type of dog food isn't made out of downer cows that may have BSE/Mad Cow. The "rendering plant" where the mad cow was discovered makes food for pets and other animals. Quote:Make pet food, floor wax, and explosives, among many other things. Rendering plants take animals or animal parts that are unsuitable for human consumption and separate them into two streams: fat and protein. There are innumerable uses for those basic building blocks. Most of the dry, proteinaceous matter is sprinkled onto livestock feed as a nutritional supplement. (Cattle protein cannot be fed to other cattle due to concerns over mad cow disease, but farmers do feed it to other animals. [ http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_p....]
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Congress persons are all the same, republican or democrat, conservative or liberal. They talk a good game, but the results (or lack thereof) show something different.
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Winstonsmith2009
Posts: 1060
Incept: 2009-08-05
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"It has been widely recognized for almost two decades that the current measure, the consumer price index, contains several biases that cause it to overstate inflation anywhere from 0.3 percentage point to 0.8 percentage point, depending on which expert you talk to."
"Widely recognized" _BY WHOM_? The GARBAGE that passes for "journalism" these days...
The section on the CPI in the book "Greenspan's Bubbles" would prove to anyone with an IQ over 50 what a rigged game the CPI is and INTENDED to be. A quote found there from someone involved in the Boskin Commission proved that the goal of the committee-approved CPI manipulations from the outset was to lower cost of living allowance payments to entitlement program recipients. The reason that info was included in the book was to provide one example of the fedgov and associated agencies like the Fed using their own manipulated _garbage_ data within the calculations they use to manipulate the economy. Plugging that garbage data into even an accurate economic model would result in garbage output, but when you plug garbage data into a garbage 19th century economic model... you get what we have now.
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Winstonsmith2009
Posts: 1060
Incept: 2009-08-05
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Even thought the use of the term has been discredited by a fat, loud-mouthed, drug abuser on talk radio, I have to say "DITTO!" to the following. And, like Mencken, I need to add, "It is inaccurate to say I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for any public office.": H.L. Mencken Was Right http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post....Excerpts: H.L. Mencken was a renowned newspaper columnist for the Baltimore Sun from 1906 until 1948. His biting sarcasm seems to fit perfectly in today’s world. His acerbic satirical writings on government, democracy, politicians and the ignorant masses are as true today as they were then. I believe the reason his words hit home is because he was writing during the last Unraveling and Crisis periods in America. The similarities cannot be denied. There are no journalists of his stature working in the mainstream media today. His acerbic wit is nowhere to be found among the lightweight shills that parrot their corporate masters’ propaganda on a daily basis and unquestioningly report the fabrications spewed by our government. Mencken’s skepticism of all institutions is an unknown quality in the vapid world of present day journalism. People still read newspapers in the 1930s to acquire credible information about the economy, politics and economy. Today’s corporate owned rags aren’t fit to line a bird cage. The mainstream media is a platform for the lies of their corporate sponsors. Each TV network or newspaper spouts propaganda that supports the financial interests and ideology they are beholden to. Does anyone think they are obtaining the truth from Paul Krugman, Chris Matthews, Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh? Evidently the answer is yes. The upcoming presidential campaign will be a nightmare of endless negative advertisements created by Madison Avenue maggots and paid for by rich powerful men attempting to herd the mindless sheeple towards their ultimate slaughter. Whichever corporate controlled party can more successfully scare the masses into pulling their lever in the voting booth on November 6th will get the opportunity push the country closer to its ultimate collapse. This collapse was destined from the time of Mencken when the Federal Reserve was created by a small group of powerful bankers and their cronies in Congress. Fear has worked for 100 years in controlling the masses, as Mencken noted during his time: “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
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Jstanley01
Posts: 8182
Incept: 2008-07-30
San Antonio, Texas
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Quote:The fix has already been endorsed by lawmakers in both parties, the Obama administration, many economists and a series of bipartisan deficit-reduction panels. With a pedigree like that, you know it's got to be a fraud. On the other hand, since this scam is aimed primarily cutting back on how much of MY MONEY is paid to the leech**** class, without the leech****s realizing it -- sort a' like how the Lotto works as a tax on the poor and stupid to keep MY TAXES lower than they would otherwise be -- I think this particular grift has a lot going for it.
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You can't cheat an honest man. ~P.T. Barnum
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Winstonsmith2009
Posts: 1060
Incept: 2009-08-05
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The first two parts of this documentary recently aired. It's not perfect by any means in its presentation of the topic, but it's worth watching. The next two parts are to be shown on 1 May: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/....
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Mannfm11
Posts: 3557
Incept: 2009-02-28
DFW, Tx
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Karl, otherwise they couldn't hide what the politicians and bankers are stealing. Inflation is 100% caused by government and bank money creation. They have not only spent the money taken in from excess social security payments, but destroyed the value of the pension. And, they have set the system up in a manner that gets us to demand they take more of our money. Social Security has been pay as you go for decades, we just didn't know it. I sense that Medicare created a pool of money to get and the healt care industry moved to get as much of it as possible as quickly as possible. American government management has to lie along side Soviet management as some of the worst on Earth.
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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
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Aliveh
Posts: 4047
Incept: 2008-01-18
Los Angeles
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in deflationary depression the CPI would end up looking even more deflationary (prices go down AND people trade down)
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Primetime
Posts: 182
Incept: 2008-02-08
Sunny Isles Beach, FL
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Surprised no one else commented on this:
It also is used to peg income-tax brackets, exemptions, deductions and credits.
Assuming your income is keeping up with the real rate of inflation, but income-tax brackets are indexed to an even more bogus CPI, you are going to end up with even more "bracket creep" than we've already had. This doesn't really matter too much to the ultra-rich, but to the middle class, and particularly the upper-middle class, this is disastrous :/
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Bigbluffer
Posts: 1330
Incept: 2010-11-01
NC
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Was watching C-span coverage of the Senate Budget Committee a few days ago, a (rhetorical) discussion of 2013 budget. Most of the time was spent talking about Simpson-Bowles and ways that SS could be reined in, e.g. chained CPI, increasing retirement age, means testing, etc. Democrats for the most part were on board with trimming SS. It seemed to be the one place in the budget that had a general consensus, at least among those who chose to speak.
Okay, its not that I don't understand that there will be problems down the road with SS. I think it starts to run in the red in 10 years as a pay-go, but maybe that's been updated and moved forward, too (assuming payroll tax holiday effect is ignored, but also conceding bonds in trust fund will be defaulted upon). Does it seem ironic to anybody else that the one place that our "lawmakers" can manage to cut is the one area of the budget that has consistently not only paid for itself but run a surplus for the last 70+ years?
What other part of our government has paid for itself? Not the military. Not Medicaid or Medicare. Not the ongoing bailouts. And speaking of fair shares, how about directing the IRS to start going after the 30% of taxes owed that aren't being paid? (My best friend works for IRS, been there almost 30 years, used to work in collections. He tells me if only people knew, nobody would pay taxes. Meanwhile, I've never fudged and always paid every dime I owed........ I'm too damn honest. Either that, or too stupid.)
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Harrisonact
Posts: 1756
Incept: 2010-10-04
canada
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Quote:In Canada, during winter, it costs 300-500$ a month in electricity... Say WHAT? I'm north of Toronto and our family of 4 has been averaging $125-150/mo. the last 2-3 years. We don't try really hard to conserve either, xmas lights for 3 months, electric dry running a lot, etc. Oh, and I get more truth about the economy from watching Hannah Montana with my pre-schooler.
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bilge My playbook speaks español. Deal with it. Im too lazy to fix it.
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Mrbill
Posts: 7857
Incept: 2008-10-19
North Carolina
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Of course the government can agree to cuts that directly impact the cattle.
That's the whole point of government, "me first, you if there are scraps leftover".
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