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Zarathustra
Posts: 5961
Incept: 2009-04-29
Funkytown
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It's over. We are a banana republic...
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"And in knowing that you know nothing, that makes you the smartest of all." - Socrates
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Musicandnature
Posts: 1954
Incept: 2007-12-05
NJ
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I don't think it's too easy to fool seniors. They know O did not follow thru on anything good - some initiatives he could have at least tried, i.e. more transparency. O-care is not a victory but major clusterfck handout to the ins and drug cos. It's astounding how much money both parties have wasted and will keep on wasting that could be used for some legitimate societal needs.
I am surprised third world powers are not funding O; if he loses I could forsee some war campaigns to keep the MIC in the black and bring mfg jobs to life.
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Since it costs a lot to win, and even more to lose, You and me bound to spend some time wonder'n what to choose. Goes to show, you don't ever know, watch each card you play and play it slow...Wait until that deal come round, don't you let that deal go down, no no. Garcia/Hunter.
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Lumpeninvestor
Posts: 2341
Incept: 2007-10-16
98072, USSA
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Distributing insolvency only destroys the last remaining islands of solvency in a bankrupt world. - Charles Hugh Smith 8/23/2012
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Irritatedcitizen
Posts: 72
Incept: 2011-05-20
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Isn't all of this contingent on the Supreme Court failing to do their duties and letting the law stand?
I.e. if they do their jobs and strike the 2.7k page abomination, this entire discussion is moot - correct?
Furthermore, in that case, can we give the 8.3 Bil to, say... science/NASA/development of a Thorium fission infrastructure (or just NOT DISBURSE MONEY WE DON'T HAVE)?
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Genesis
Posts: 130775
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Correct.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me
Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.
What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Resistance
Posts: 6162
Incept: 2008-09-26
Banned
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He should make 16 or 24 billion. The harder and faster this failed experiment hits the wall the better.
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"Why must political experiments always be in the direction of more government? Why not give the free market a county or even a state or two, and see what it can accomplish?"Murray Rothbard - The Fallacy of the Public Sector
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Stanowen
Posts: 160
Incept: 2008-10-02
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Quote:He should make 16 or 24 billion. The harder and faster this failed experiment hits the wall the better. Obama 2012? |
Winstonsmith2009
Posts: 1060
Incept: 2009-08-05
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$8.2B via a more blatant method, but it pales in comparison with this, caused by artificially low interest rates on savings accounts alone (not even counting commodity price increases raising the cost of living): "The banking system has been saved on the back of the savers of the United States. We have totally destroyed any incentive for thrift, for deferred gratification. The Fed has become more Keynesian than Keynes. Now, the fact is, if you were going to bail out the banking system with this kind of transfer -- I calculate it at $300 or $400 billion a year -- the suppression of interest rates on depositors, on the $7 trillion or so of deposit base that we have, is at least $300 or $400 billion a year. And that’s the same thing as taxing the public by $300 or $400 billion and redistributing it to banks based on the distribution of their deposit base. That wouldn’t get one vote. Okay, in other words, what I’m saying is if it were done in a proper way as a fiscal transfer put before the democracy to review and vote up or down, it would be voted down overwhelmingly. It would be shouted down. It would not even see the light of day out of committee, to say nothing of the floor of the House or Senate. - David Stockman" Excellent interviews of David Stockman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idfBpq80s....http://billmoyers.com/segment/david-stoc.... |
Mangoelvis
Posts: 1727
Incept: 2009-07-11
Las Vegas, NV
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Quote:I don't think it's too easy to fool seniors I disagree. Just run a few ads with someone running granny off a cliff in a wheelchair and wait for the votes to roll in. In their defense, they're no different than most other American voters. You simply have no chance of getting elected in this country if you tell the truth.
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Evolutionarily speaking, sloths must taste terrible.
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Irritatedcitizen
Posts: 72
Incept: 2011-05-20
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Glad I had that right above. I'm posting again to put $8.2 Billion in context because so many big numbers are tossed around these days. $8.2 Billion is: - More than the entire NSF had allocated for fiscal year 2012 ($6.87 B)
- More than one quarter (26.5%) of the entire NIH budget for fiscal year 2012 ($30.9 B)
- Nearly half (46.1%) of NASA's 2012 budget ($17.77 B)
Yes, the above (seemingly tiny) amounts are the scraps we toss to pure scientific and engineering R&D. Which are constantly on the chopping block to get cut further because they're considered discretionary, while this $8.2 Bil seems like nothing for healthcare. Our forward-looking priorities are really, really screwed up. |
Peterm99
Posts: 4991
Incept: 2009-03-21
SoCal
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Seniors seem to be VERY easy to fool.
A large fraction of them appear to believe that AARP is something other than a tarted-up marketing mechanism whose primary function is to separate seniors from whatever wealth they may have.
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". . . the Constitution has died, the economy welters in irreversible decline, we have perpetual war, all power lies in the hands of the executive, the police are supreme, and a surveillance beyond Orwell’s imaginings falls into place." - Fred Reed
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Peterm99
Posts: 4991
Incept: 2009-03-21
SoCal
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Irritatedcitizen -
Very good point to illustrate the relative quantity of $, but you are laboring under a severe misapprehension if you actually believe that the bulk of NSF, NIH, and/or NASA spending goes to "pure scientific and engineering R&D".
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". . . the Constitution has died, the economy welters in irreversible decline, we have perpetual war, all power lies in the hands of the executive, the police are supreme, and a surveillance beyond Orwell’s imaginings falls into place." - Fred Reed
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Nomennescio
Posts: 63
Incept: 2012-01-16
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If it happens, do you really think it will unhappen after the election? I mean, has any entitlement ever been curtailed? Ever? And wouldn't this automatically be considered an entitlement?
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Rule10
Posts: 2456
Incept: 2008-09-30
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Why bother. You people really don't understand the system. Including Karl.
The Powers that be have taken over years ago. That is a fact. So, how do you usurp them? How do you unseat them? If you think it can be done by voting or starting a third party then you are delusional in my opinion. It would require the expectation that the average joe on the street to understand simple economics.
It won't happen. They will NEVER vote for the changes that are required. NEVER EVER EVER.
We can't play within the system. They control it. Can't you see?
We are outnumbered.
It will be all underground. The resurrection will be underground. From the producers. And maybe not at all if we don't focus on that aspect instead of the futile attempts at playing within the system.
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You are not what you say you are, You are what you do.
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2dogs
Posts: 2941
Incept: 2009-03-25
Land of the Lost
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Rule10 wrote..It would require the expectation that the average joe on the street to understand simple economics.
It won't happen. Anyone who understands basic math knows the ponzi social programs are unsustainable and close to collapsing. Unfortunately, only a very small percentage of the population understands basic math.
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You can't defeat the combined effects of massive voter fraud, the Free **** Army, and the entire bought and paid for media complex. This nation is done.
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