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Kochevnik
Posts: 547
Incept: 2007-07-30
Dallas TX
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LOL
My (Chinese) wife's comment when I told her this news : "Americans just get dumber & dumber"
Right now I would estimate about 50% of my job opportunities get STOLEN by sub-par Indian wannabees. Now half the recruiters are Indian as well. Most of the time I never respond when they call and they never call me if they figure out I am white. Last week one called (I think by mistake) and when he asked my salary range (for a job with a Florida gov agency) he just laughed and said in the 15 years he has been dealing with this agency they have never raised their rate they would be willing to pay.
Americans ****ing Americans ****ing Americans.
But hey it's all good, all the sports teams are still good to go.
God Bless America.
Maybe not.
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There are decades where nothing happens - and there are weeks where decades happen.
-- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
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Swordsman
Posts: 95
Incept: 2009-01-10
Las Cruces, New Mexico
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Cuts will have to be made somewhere if they're to save the degree program in German Polka History.
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Hierophant
Posts: 145
Incept: 2009-07-15
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Fifty bucks says they still have well-funded Anthropology, Sociology & Women's Studies departments.
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Supertruckertom
Posts: 215
Incept: 2010-11-07
USA
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It will be replaced by CDL classes so that the football players that don't get drafted will have something to fall back on.
I'm not worried about the competition.
Most people quit within the first six months.
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What I do is fairly simple.
People need their stuff.
It is my job to get it to them.
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Johnny_crab
Posts: 1936
Incept: 2008-10-09
Boonieland south Texas
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Dumb and dumber everywhere.
Tulane University eliminated, after KATRINA, the following:
Electrical Engineering
Civil Engineering....you know, the folks that keep cities from flooding?!!
Their requests for Alumini $$$$ go into file 13, the found file, burn pile.
Similar mentality.
Yeah, they kept football IIRC.
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If you want to know truth, start by turning off your television.
"They didn't just***** in the coffee, they took a **** on the hood of a '73 Eldo, let it bake in the DC sun, ground it up and sold it to us as coffee."--Duc888
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Mortgageguymn
Posts: 1566
Incept: 2009-03-09
North Coast
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I suspect this is like when our prior mayor stopped cutting the grass at the parks or when the public school teachers tell the kids to tell their parents that the school can't afford paper or erasers. They may be using this gimmick to argue that they need more money. They always cut that which is most liked by taxpayers. I'm not defending such Brownshirt tactics. Whoever is behind this should be hung, then burned at the stake, then beheaded and then drawn and quartered. And then shot. And then drowned. And then ... shot again.
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Matt_bear
Posts: 6357
Incept: 2008-07-15
a week early on spy puts
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Anyone with half a brain can see building a new university in the face of the next bubble crisis, student loans, is a bad idea.
Even moreso when you hurt the current 11 that already exist.
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In terms of real-world fundamentals, I expect that most of the people around me, whom I work with day to day, and whom I pass on the street ... will be dead within five years.
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Wakeupcall
Posts: 4233
Incept: 2009-06-08
Hampton Roads, VA
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There is no income tax in Florida, right? So, does all of the funding come from sales taxes?
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“Nothing travels faster than the speed of light, with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws.”
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Mindrayge
Posts: 67
Incept: 2010-09-18
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If the NFL and NBA want a farm system they should create one themselves. The taxpayers shouldn't be footing the bill nor should the other students be paying higher tuition to subsidize this behavior. Also the taxpayers and other students shouldn't be subsidizing the research and development on behalf of corporations that should be doing it on their own dime. Ending the financialization of student loans would end the practice of constantly increasing tuition costs to feed that Ponzi. It isn't just government subsidized loans that is the problem there but the existence of the Ponzi that is meant to create high-yield investment products backed by government enforced payment via lack of bankruptcy access, garnishments, etc.
Truth be told, every single thing touched by financialization has turned into a debacle. Whether it is housing, commercial real estate, automobiles, credit cards, education, or health care the problem is the same - serial looting of cash while at the same time encumbering all assets leaving limited future borrowing capacity and extracting so much in future wages that future demand, let alone growth, is impossible and effectively leading to running out of borrowers and customers.
The sorry state of affairs where Comp Sci or Engineering programs are getting whacked or not attracting students is unconscionable. Is anybody comfortable with our future national security being in the hands of India or China? I know the top one percent crowd is as they just see it as a means to make money but what about everybody else?
None of this is going to end well.
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Ghopper
Posts: 2317
Incept: 2011-06-11
Staten Island, NY
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This necessary change will keep the English Literature PHD program going and that knowledge will fuel our recovery.
/sarc off
Though I do have to say this. Having worked in the IT wing of the NYSE until 2 years ago, anyone going to school for CS is going to be flipping burgers.
With the Internet and people in China, India, etc doing the same or better work for a faction of the price means the field is dying fast in the US.
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Marvinmartian
Posts: 750
Incept: 2011-03-16
Pasadena, CA
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There are excellent articles classifying "Computer Science" as engineering, not science. I happen to agree with them. Reference the article by Peter Denning, Quote:Is Computer Science Science?
Computer science meets every criterion for being a science, but it has a self-inflicted credibility problem. Given bright and dedicated students, some of the subject matter is suitable for high school. Last Thursday, April 19th, I saw a youngster checking out a book on C++ from the Glendale Public Library. I found out he was 12 years old. I told him he had make a good choice of subjects to study. (disclosure: I'm picking up Objective-C as an alternative to C++) I think its high time the techniques of computer science get moved into some kind applied mathematics discipline, to go along with linear algebra, statistics and differential equations. Caltech has done this, as they have a "Computing + Mathematical Sciences" department. see their course offerings in http://www.cms.caltech.edu/academics/cou....I think UF has just made a monumentally stupid move, simply abolishing computer science. They have not heard the last of this. Reason: added Caltech as example, fixed spelling
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Xanii
Posts: 60
Incept: 2011-05-09
Espoo, Finland
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I wonder how this will affect the area nearby in say, 5 years from now?
As an IT-Engineer myself i consider STEM crucial. Mathematics is the highest form of science. I learned it myself the hard way back in the poly days. If you hate it, it will hate right back at you.
Entertaining reading about Karl vs PhD:s. reminds me of my old boss 10 years ago when i started my IT career. He was also the company founder and he did his own thinking very much like Karl does. Millionaire who flies his own jet-planes. He was also prompt to give feedback when a young kid like me messed up. It was good it boot-camp to me and my colleagues as during those days young 20s something people earned money and started being delusional due to internet bubble. I nowadays consider that time the moral base of my career i.e. 1) take responsibility of your mistakes. 2) understand that bosses are people too, look at the situation from their point of view 3) Dont try to fool hardened veterans. We have all come far with those simple teachings.
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Mari
Posts: 1012
Incept: 2010-03-05
Central MD
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I agree with Mortgageguy - I think they are trying to get enough protests going to get more funding. Besides, students can always major in Women's Studies, Medieval and Early Modern Studies, Portuguese (really?!), American Indian and Indigenous Studies, etc.
Maryland ended our regular legislative session this year without raising any taxes, so now we have a DOOMSDAY budget - oh, woe is me! They had to make CUTS - in MARYLAND! - of just over 500 million dollars - oh, the INHUMANITY! Of course, the cuts were to proposed increases and this year's budget is 1 billion dollars more than last year's, but it's DOOMSDAY I tell ya! And yes, the cuts all seem to be aimed at education.
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Bsfootprint
Posts: 965
Incept: 2011-02-27
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Perhaps this is tacit admission that the school wasn't teaching marketable skills? I wonder if the CS curriculum was 'current'.
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When I hear central bankers are blowing bubbles, I like to picture a large, happy and well-endowed male chimp named 'Bubbles'...
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Arpwatch
Posts: 3051
Incept: 2009-11-06
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If I'm looking at the right thing it looks well enough. It doesn't look like they were teaching visual basic, RPG, and basket weaving. Of course some people don't like java... https://catalog.ufl.edu/ugrad/current/li....I am surprised at the number of hours. It seems low... |
Pitz
Posts: 860
Incept: 2010-04-08
voluntary resigned
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CS graduate hiring since the Dot-Com 1.0 collapse of Americans has been minimal. I know guys who graduated top of their classes (or darn near it) in CS, sent out thousands of resumes, only to receive a handful of replies. I didn't graduate at the top of my 2002 class, but I was in the top quartile, and I've seen my job applications fall into a black hole all too many times, while the same firms that I applied to were granted hundreds, sometimes thousands of H-1B visas. Google gets 1000 resumes for each Software Engineer it hires. Microsoft has imported enough H-1B engineers in the past decade to replace nearly the entirety of the American technical talent working at their company. My local, independant telecom received 50 resumes for a barely advertised Computer/Software Engineering position it posted on its website. *50 resumes*. UC Berkeley and Cornell, among other schools, can't even prove that >40% of their CS grads find employment in post-graduate surveys. Although this bodes very bad for the country, this was the right decision by the University of Florida administrators. With any luck, they'll use the same logic and shut down most of the rest of their programs until enough actual and real demand comes back. Quote:with a shortage of engineers and computer scientists, What a lie... |
Dazedncornfused
Posts: 312
Incept: 2010-10-13
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Johnny_crab -> Tulane University eliminated, after KATRINA, the following:
Electrical Engineering
Civil Engineering....you know, the folks that keep cities from flooding?!!
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But they have "The Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology" , aka environmental engineering aka 4th grade field trip aka social work .
They'll keep the oceans from rising! And they're studying evolving ecology in the lower 9th ward and its impactfulness on global change! And they have post-doctorates in this stuff!
And now I have to get back to work, to pay taxes so these stoonts can find themselves in collije. Ha, let them drown in debt.
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Stand up and be counted or line up and be numbered.
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Mo
Posts: 12158
Incept: 2007-06-26
Pa.
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It's the political pressure that made this happen. Some powerful pols are behind this so the Taj Mahal university for Science and Technology gets built in Lakeland.
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Zeddicus
Posts: 71
Incept: 2009-07-06
Galt's Gulch
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I have to disagree with the notion of a "shortage of engineers and computer scientists". I worked in IT as a database software engineer for 20-something years until getting laid off 2 years ago. The subsequent fruitless job search led me to ultimately change my line of work entirely.
Even during the peak of the dotcom bubble, I never saw what I would characterize as "shortage". We were always able to find people to do the work, and work never went undone for lack of qualified personnel. In fact, I'd have to say that every job I did was overstaffed as the money back then flowed like water.
Although it's certainly not a GOOD thing to see a university shut down its CS department, I can see why they did it. Lack of demand, plus the need for academia to keep their completely useless liberal arts programs funded.
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Tesla
Posts: 15541
Incept: 2008-04-03
State of Disbelief
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You are all missing the elephant in the room...there are too many disciplines which "favor men", so they needed to eliminate one to promote a study that women favor 
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Erica712
Posts: 1910
Incept: 2009-03-16
Central FL
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http://staugustine.com/florida-news/2012....This is what Mo was referencing. Quote: Gov. Rick Scott, ignoring calls for a veto from influential business leaders, signed a measure into law on Friday that will create the state’s 12th public university. This new state university will focus on STEM. Quote: But critics questioned the idea of establishing a start-up university during a year when the overall state university system had its state funding cut by $300 million. The school also will not initially have any students since current USF students will be allowed to remain enrolled at the branch campus. Quote: The Florida Council of 100 — a group of business leaders that includes officials from such companies as Publix Super Markets and AT&T — wrote to Scott and urged a veto, pointing out it could be years before the school could even gain accreditation, which is needed so students can obtain federal aid or researchers can apply for federal grants.
Scott, however, defended his decision to create the new school. To remake the state’s economy, he said in a bill signing letter, it’s crucial to create more jobs in fields that will allow Florida to compete with states such as California and Texas. Both of those states have outpaced Florida in the number of jobs grown in the last year.
“The establishment of Florida Polytechnic University will help us move the needle in the right direction,” Scott said. “It is vital for the future of Florida’s economy.”
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Rbarreira
Posts: 2826
Incept: 2009-05-27
Portugal -> Sweden
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Someone I know went to the U.S. last month and got 3 job offers for computer science research positions (at Intel, Samsung and some other company I don't remember). I don't know if there's a shortage but at least in some fields it does not look too hard to get offers.
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In Soviet Russia, the government regulates the banks.
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Eighty6thebs
Posts: 4183
Incept: 2007-06-26
It's contained to sub-prime!
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This frees up UF to turn out more finance, insurance, realestate, public service, art, teaching, and other leach ass degrees that don't move the US forward.
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"Sounds to me like you guys a couple of bookies" - Billy Ray Valentine
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Degaston
Posts: 2264
Incept: 2007-07-27
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It's cheaper Karl for them to hire Philosophy professors because so many people with degrees in Philosophy can't find a job in Philosophy because there simply isn't much economic demand for people with expertise in that discipline. How many Philosophy PhDs has TickerForum's Philosophy department hired lately?
Thus the beancounters at UF see that if they can save a few nickels today then they can hang on just a little longer to their own jobs. This year's budget isn't concerned about whether or not they screw up the lives of thousands of young people in the future who won't be able to contribute to our Social Security and Medicare when we're old but instead will be "disabled" or collecting food stamps & unemployment checks.
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3/17/2013: Bullish on nothing - 100 percent in cash.
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