Interesting...I live in a gated community. If I decide to go out for a walk or run at 10 pm, should
I expect to be confronted by neighborhood watch?

I thought that was the whole purpose of the gates??

Is this like double-double security?

Bottom line, Zimmerman put himself in the position he's in...the legal question is, by Florida statute,
was he within the statute?

The Prosecutors seem to be challenging the law...only because of the racial tension. Not Good...

I would not want to be GZ..

@ YazooL:

OK, you're posting like someone who's never been to Wagist or did Google streetview on the "gated community".

Gol DERN it! Get thee hence, and come back when you've seen some stuff. I'm sooo glad I got rid of cable five years ago - I don't pay to have STOOOOPID piped into my home...

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The Prosecutors seem to be challenging the law...only because of the racial tension. Not Good...

The prosecutors need to be explained the error of their ways with Louisville lumber. When they started in with the "suppressing exculpatory evidence" ****, I was done with them.

Here's the ****ing hospital report, you lying bitch **** "prosecutor" (that goes for the smarmy prick that was the State liar for today, too).

I question the gated community. karl put the address on the site a few weeks ago and if you go to the Google pictures, there is no gate at the entrance near the incident. It is wide open. There is a wall around the property. I live in an area that if you go a little ways, there are gated communities. Guys that drive Mazzeratis and Rolls Royces live there. This appears to be a middle class townhome neighborhood.

The other thing that keeps coming up is Martin went out for Skittles at halftime for an NBA All Star game. The Google maps have shown that it is a lot farther than a hop, skip and jump to get to a convenience store. I guess he was going to miss the rest of the game for skittles? I doubt the stories about why Martin was there. He can't tell us either way, because he isn't here to defend himself.

One thing that is apparent is that Martin went after Zimmerman, probably after Zimmerman questioned him why he was there. Zimmerman did something stupid, but that doesn't excuse a physical attack. The guy clearly wasn't a ****** lynch party, as his history says different. He was probably doing his job as a neighborhood watch guy in making the call, but stepped over the line confronting Martin. I believe the account for Martin is a made up lie, but it would be easy to find out whether he was talking to his girl friend and had bought Skittles somewhere. Clearly Zimmerman was the nosy type and should have seen Martin if he had been part of the neighborhood. If he was part of the neighborhood, he probably knew Zimmerman was the eye on the street. It isn't any secret who calls the cops in those neighborhoods, as we own a duplex townhome and the nosy, police calling person is on the other side of our building. I don't take much.

Gated and walled "communities" as currently configured are a joke, because their defenses are static and predictable. At a high-end client's million dollar home, she tells me the burglars are coming in on foot and burrowing up through the floorboards to avoid perimeter sensors. Guns and jewelry are the loot they're looking for. You can't just post a guard at the gate and patrol the streets. You've got to patrol the property's perimeter, and indoor motion detectors are a must.

One of the best deterrents to criminality is -25 F. I'd suggest you try that.

Now where did all the "thugs" come from to be idealized by black youths.. Ah, yes, the drug war.

Why don't white-collar criminals carry guns? Because they have nothing to worry about, that's why.

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This appears to be a middle class townhome neighborhood.

A neighborhood near here has a gate on the street entrance that's not even connected to anything, you can walk right in on foot. Real estate gimmicks..

Magus wrote..

I believe the % of blacks that vote Republican is higher than polls indicate simply because of the pressure for appearances. I'm sure its still skewed but I don't think its quite as skewed as polls indicate. No evidence for that--just a strong hunch.

I have a strong hunch that it has a lot to do with the endemic vote fraud in Democrat-dominated cities. With effective voter ID laws, we might discover to our 'surprise' that blacks actually don't vote 90-95% Democrat. Which is why the Democrats are deathly afraid of such laws.

"Now where did all the "thugs" come from to be idealized by black youths.. Ah, yes, the drug war. "

Yep--we should definitely legalize drugs.

Yahoo--my brother back in the day had a field day in gated communities, but as others have mentioned, this community isn't really gated.

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The other thing that keeps coming up is Martin went out for Skittles at halftime for an NBA All Star game. "

That was the story but is absolutely not true as he was dead before the game even started

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Prosecutors have also located a witness near the site of the shooting who described seeing the shadows of two men pass by her home, one chasing the other, immediately before Martin was killed. The pursuit, in the direction of Martin's home, indicates that Zimmerman initiated the confrontation, Gilbreath said, under questioning from Rionda.

This may or may not be true. However we know that Trayvon ran down the street and Zimmerman went after him for 20 seconds. But we also know that from the 911 call that Trayvon out ran him and lost him. It says going in the direction of Martin's which would match with the statement that Trayvon was running towrds the rear entrance.

So upon examination, this would not be new evidence but would confirm what we already know.

The statement that "indicates that Zimmerman initiated the confrontation" is false. Why? Because Zimmerman lost him. It does not explain how Trayvon got back up north near Zimmerman's truck, after running south.

Since the lighting on the yard side is effectively non existent, I would gather this must have been seen on the street side if true.

So how did Trayvon end up north again in an area that would have taken him on a path towards the truck? Unless Trayvon wanted a confrontation?

"Mannfm11" wrote..

The other thing that keeps coming up is Martin went out for Skittles at halftime for an NBA All Star game. The Google maps have shown that it is a lot farther than a hop, skip and jump to get to a convenience store. I guess he was going to miss the rest of the game for skittles? I doubt the stories about why Martin was there. He can't tell us either way, because he isn't here to defend himself.

One thing the bond hearing cleared up is that Martin is on tape of going to a 7-11 store.

From the transcript of the bond hearing:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1....

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DE LA RIONDA: I mean, he wasn't -- is there any evidence at all that he was breaking into anybody's house or committing any type of crime sir?

GILBREATH: No.

DE LA RIONDA: So he had the perfect right to be walking down the street that evening did he not?

GILBREATH: Yes, sir.

DE LA RIONDA: And isn't it a fact to prove that and you have verified that he actually went to that 7-Eleven store and bought some Skittles and a can of tea? Did he not?

GILBREATH: Yes.

DE LA RIONDA: And there's a video of that?

GILBREATH: Correct.

DE LA RIONDA: And he paid for it. He didn't steal or anything. Is that correct?

GILBREATH: Yes.

DE LA RIONDA: Ok and then he ended up walking back to the community? Is that correct?

GILBREATH: Yes.

Thank you Karl. If that is George in the picture, it removes all doubt from my mind. Completely justified shooting.

Well the geotags match and so does the timestamp -- and it sure isn't a black guy.

Regarding GZ "initiating a confrontation", and how that line of discussion pertains to self-ownership and PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY:

George Zimmerman volunteered to watch his neighborhood. Criminal acts had recently taken place within said neighborhood. George saw someone whose behavior appears outside the norm, and called police to report it. During the process of obtaining information for police, he either followed or made contact with TM. Both are well within the rights of a person keeping watch over the neighborhood in which he lives, and both are expected behavior of a self-owned, personally responsible person. To do otherwise is to cower behind your curtains, do nothing yourself, and possibly call 911 in a panic.

The most disturbing thing about the actual GZ-TM incident is the fact that NO BYSTANDER TRIED TO ASSIST.

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The pursuit, in the direction of Martin's home, indicates that Zimmerman initiated the confrontation, Gilbreath said, under questioning from Rionda.

??? wtf did i miss ???

MAYBE tt indicates in what direction two figures were thought to be moving.

no, not even that.
It indicates the assistant prosecutor(Rionda) and lead investigator(Gilbreath) had rehearsed their act.

Oh, its getting real now. This link is WELL WORTH THE READ. This is all about "Dee Dee". and the real facts about her. There is more also. For those following along and have been doing research, this is a smoking gun. Crump and the Martins seem to be letting their stories appear out of thin air.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012....

DeeDee is not her real name. The story Crump gave out about her is pure BS. She was a "friend" of Trayvon,, having a current boyfriend that is not Trayvon. They did once date, but now their relationship is platonic.

They didn't talk for all those hours.

She didn't go to the hospital because she was distraught. She didn't have puppy love and did not go to school because she was too upset. Those statements are false. Evidence from her TWITTER accounts that Team Crump and his partner in this (former naval intelligence officer), Ms Jackson perhaps tried to have scrubbed, have been found in archives. There appears to have been a major scrubbing of Trayvon and "DeeDee",

Its quite the read, and spells out the manipulation by Crump and other others.

Sickening what the media did and what Team Trayvon is allowing. Monetary "Justice" built on lies. And it does go back to the Florida law about no civil suit.

Holy**** Mikemecanic -- nice link and nice avatar.

I just have one question: If Owebummer is 1/2 white, and Zimmerman is 1/2 white, why doesn't the Great Soft Tyrannist's hypothetical son look more like zimmerman than martin???
I mean seriously: Owebummer has this in common with Trayvon: (1) Some black blood. But, now consider this: what does he have in common with Z-man??? (1) some white blood, AND (2) mixed race. In spite of my public school eduction, even I know that 2 is greater than 1.

So quite clearly, Mr. ****ed Up Socialist President has more in common with Z-man than T-man (if you ignore DRUG USE, I GUESS). So why does he think his son would look more like No_Limmit_Nigga than upstanding_righteous_citizen_zimmerman?

Oh I guess he's just stupid and not malicious...or maybe note.

That is a hell of a link, Bikemechanic.

Zimmerman's attorney needs to read what's at that link (if he hasn't already).

@bikemechnic. Awesome link. That puts this all into perspective. The personal injury attorneys needed an arrest.

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Without an arrest that leads to trial, there is no implied probable cause, which could lead to Compensatory and punitive damages for wrongful death. They need an arrest and subsequent trial. They DO NOT need a conviction to achieve PAYDAY.

Yazoo,

Come back to the real world now. I live in Columbus, Ohio. We have seen a serge of crime in my neighborhood over the last few years. Last spring myself and several of the other men in the neighborhood started a blockwatch. We Patrol Thurs-Sunday nights from 9 pm until 3 AM, sometimes later in the summer months. One of the most effective tools we have is to make a point to "confront" everyone we see, and introduce ourselves with a handshake and a smile. Oh and these are public streets, Not a gated community, There are No neighborhood associations. We work in groups of at least 2 and some of us open carry on some Fri, and Sat nights, and always make sure at least one of us are carrying concealed. We always keep vid cams on hand and use them liberally to film anyone we dont recognize. Guess what, its 100% legal and highly effective. We have been told by the police that we have actually become known amongst the criminal element on the side of town I live on. We have not had a garage or car break in on our street in nearly a year. This after a rash of break ins including a home invasion 2 summers ago.

I dont know what crystal palace you live in, but in the real world, I can not only patrol my neighborhood armed, I can come up and ask you anything I want to, and there is not a damn thing you can do about it as long as I do not physically touch you. Oh and what I find funny and in fact juvenile is this whole, I disrespected you, **** that we get quite often, that's some bs **** right there. That **** is why we have to arm ourselves while on patrol. Its not just Blacks we get that from, rather those intrenched in the thug life mentality and culture. Their dress gives it away almost immediately, as any self respecting MAN keeps their pants pulled up and their underwear covered.

I would love those obsessively commenting on this thread to reveal where they live, so we may understand under what delusions they are living. Me I am on the West side of Columbus. Just on the boarder of what is known as the Hilltop, well within the outer-belt.

From the evidence that is available so far in this case, the only thing I see wrong is that George Z. should have been patrolling with a partner. Then little Trayvon would have thought twice about acting the fool because he was feeling "disrespected".

Now back to your regularly scheduled straw man arguments from our most Racist commentators on this board.

ETA.......

The reason our blockwatch has been successful is not because we are some vigilante's. It is successful because criminals would rather go somewhere where there is no armed, polite, concerned citizens taking care of there own security. That scares the **** out of em, and they just dont come around anymore. They go somewhere else where all they have to deal with is state controlled security where the consequences for their poor choices are known, and quite frankly a joke to criminals.

It's about money. I knew once you sifted through the fog it would be about money.

"Social Justice" = "Gimme money"

Disgusting.

Bicycle Repairman to the Rescue.

Awesome post. Gen, that deserves a ticker.

(and now for some comic relief)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEX0KfKi2....

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neighbors have every right to ask unknown people why they are in the neighborhood. IF GZ had confronted, if TM had simply said, "I'm visiting my dad "xxxx" who lives at #150 on (fill in road name here)" that would have likely been the end of it

"GZ assumed that Trayvon was an intruder...mainly because he had never seen him before."

This is quite an assumption. The phone call says it looks like he's up to no good or on drugs. It sounded exactly like how my brother acted at that age (which I've already posted on, but won't do again, feel free to search my posts).

It's pretty easy to tell the punk 17 year old thug or thug wannabees from the good kids--and race has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Put yourself in Trayvon's shoes for a moment. Or bear with me while I do so:

I'm a 40-year old, overweight white dude. I'm walking around in the dark, in the rain, in a neighborhood I don't live in, and I'm being followed. My pursuer yells to me, "Hey! What are you doing here?"

Do I:
a) Run for my life
b) Assume he's racist and confront him
c) Answer the question, assuming he's legit
d) Ignore it and go about my late-night stroll

What allegedly actually occurred (Zimmerman's story) is b) - wherein Trayvon physically attacked him, and Zimmerman defended himself. The facts at trial may or may not support that story.

The important thing to draw away now, however, is that Trayvon's choice among those four options in today's America is DICTATED TO US by his race. That is, it is presented to us by the media as an impossibility that blacks can be treated as people, and not negroes. The mere fact that Zimmerman asked pursued him and asked a question, we're told, is racially motivated. Zimmerman's life story would tell us otherwise.

If I were in Trayvon's shoes, and walking around that night, I would expect that Zimmerman would find me suspicious, as well. He may very well pursue me and confront me. That was his job. And though he's Hispanic, and I'm white, I would not assume racism in his profiling me; my behavior was enough.

If Zimmerman's version of events is true, I feel sorry for Trayvon. He's a victim of racism in America - but not the racism of George Zimmerman. He's a victim of the racism of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the New Black Panthers, who have made sure that every young black man can assume racism FIRST in any interaction non-blacks. That false assumption of racism, I believe, led him to a confrontation, instead of a conversation - and it cost him his life.

Tsbert,

Its not that complicated, the average young black person could tell you little if anything of the black "leaders" you speak of. Hell I'd wager you know more about them than they do. Its no different then asking your average student of any race about our political leaders in Washington. They have no clue, if your lucky youll get some MSM sound bites. It comes down to one simple thing. Little Trayvon felt "disrespected". That's it, nothing else. It was dark and raining and he saw a little fat white dude following him. He wasn't gonna let that go.

Its dumb, stupid, and illogical, and cost him his life. It is what it is and its a shame George and Treyvon have been made victim and martyrs in this whole case.

I will say again, the only thing George did wrong was patrolling alone. You never patrol in any security capacity alone.