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Freeflyfreak
Posts: 22
Incept: 2011-10-09
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Quote:The court recognized the threats as real and serious, and also, it appears the court recognized that there are some serious holes in the government case. Precisely, this is no open and shut case from either view point. Does anyone know if it is 2nd Degree or nothing, or will the jury be able to consider "lesser included charges" If it is 2nd Degree only, my feeling from what I have seen is he will probably walk. If lesser charges are considered, my feeling he will serve a short amount of time. It does however look like he could dig his own grave, prison wise with his eagerness to talk, both early on, and by making a statement during the bail hearing which opened him up to skewed questioning. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out. |
Bikemechanic
Posts: 607
Incept: 2008-09-25
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The prosecution is claiming a new witness. They claim to have seen shadows on their curtains from two people running by. I have seen the word "chasing" which implies something more than the viewer could know.
I have been hired to cast shadows for a living on about every level of the industry, corporate, commercials high and low end, feature films, tv shows, etc.
I don't know if the window is on the front or rear of the townhouse. I have seen pictures of the place and some video.
Here is the issue, to cast a shadow into a room through a window (against a vertical surface so to speak) requires a lot of things to happen. Taking into account natural light sources that could do this, and where they need to be, that is not so simple a thing to naturally occur.
I doubt it could have really happened. That is not something that normally happens unless a car turned and its headlights hit them exactly then. There has to be a very strong light directly across from this window and is really "direct" in its projection, like car headlights. Not a streetlight, very very unlikely.
Look at the height of a window in your home and how big it is. And then ponder how you can make a claim to have seen that.Now go outside a rig a light to make that happen in real life, or in the case I do, movies etc.
Because to allow the viewer to see a man run by one at a Time or even both in the window at the same Time is a real trick. I can guarantee one thing they will not be running very fast at all. and oh yea how far apart are those people if they were seen (which I find it very hard to believe this could have happened).
Though a quick trip to the scene can verify right off the bat if there is a light source to cast a strong beam at the correct angle to make such a shadow happen.
Bert,
its even more complicated than that. The people running by have to be in a location between the curtains and the distance/angle from the light. They were described as two people. This means a shadow that has sharp edges with definition to create a human outline. Next the curtains had to be flat like a screen and the light strong enough to penetrate. Lots of things to make this happen. Casting a sharp edged shadow against a wall and one that is cast into the window.
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Bertdilbert
Posts: 2666
Incept: 2008-12-22
CA
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Yeah maybe on the street side but doubtful on the yard side of the complex. Everyone was pretty much saying it was too dark to see. Also in order to see shadows on a curtain, the room would have to be dark too... It was a little early for a dark room no?
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Uppity_peasant
Posts: 3116
Incept: 2009-06-26
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@ Bikemechanic:
Two people running by could be Trayvon & Chad, too...
"I seen two shadows runnin' by" - LOL!
What a clown show! "Beyond a reasonable doubt"
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Freeflyfreak
Posts: 22
Incept: 2011-10-09
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@Bikemechanic
1) people often use the word shadow when what they mean is silhouette, could be your experience has you taking the word too literally.
2) Anyone who has not come forward before, but comes forward now with "crucial" info will be ripped to shreds on the jury stand. Guaranteed!
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Bikemechanic
Posts: 607
Incept: 2008-09-25
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Freefly, doesn't matter, making a silhouette and making a shadow is the same process, except in making a silhouette the object is going to be very close to the screen to make the "shadow" that is then drawn. Same process, light, object, screen. Difference is, and thanks for helping make the point, for a defined shadow the correlation between the distances of all three objects, light source, object, and screen/wall/curtains all work in way that will make the object have a hard outline or a softer outline, object larger/smaller/distortion etc., and that perfect relationship when the objects shadow/silhouette is in perfect relationship for a perfect shadow in size/shape of the object. The person they say witnessed this effect saw it on the curtains, which will make that a silhouette if you will. Any credible witness that comes forward better be credible, seeing shadows on curtains sounds very suspect. They will be ripped to shreds if there story does not stand up. If such a shadow is possible then they better prove its possible. Words and a month and half old maybe is weak stuff if they can't back it up. edited for post saving @fly It was part of the testimony today. Its online at news stations etc. its being reported. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/20....Quote:Prosecutors have also located a witness near the site of the shooting who described seeing the shadows of two men pass by her home, one chasing the other, immediately before Martin was killed. The pursuit, in the direction of Martin's home, indicates that Zimmerman initiated the confrontation, Gilbreath said, under questioning from Rionda. And if they are looking thru curtains they are not seeing a shadow/silhouette then they are seeing people thru netting. Not the same and not what they claimed. They can't claim both. One is very different from the other. Not only would the room have to be dark, but the netting/curtains would have to be very thin to have seen this from any distance from the window. You would have to be close to be able to start to resolve your vision through the small holes to follow the movement. If they had seen the image thru the netting they would have had a perspective of how big and normal they looked. Shadows aren't like that unless all those parameters match up. Also I have read different things about this witnesses statement. They were running, curtains etc. different places are wording and adding to this from I don't know what sources. I think some of it comes from questions to the DA's office after the hearing. |
Bagbalm
Posts: 4262
Incept: 2009-03-19
Just North of Detroit
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OMG it was a black shadow!
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Freeflyfreak
Posts: 22
Incept: 2011-10-09
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If it is net curtains you could see the silhouette of a person/persons running with very little lighting at all.
It would however have to be quite dark inside the room.
In any event too much speculation for me, plus like I said the witness will get ripped a new one on the stand.
Where are you getting this new witness info from anyway, I dont see anything online yet....... 'cept here.
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Karlmarxghost
Posts: 4148
Incept: 2009-01-26
I'm Your Huckleberry
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Quote:After the release of the photo, however, Dershowitz went much further, telling Breitbart News that if the prosecutors did have the photo and didn’t mention it in the affidavit, that would constitute a “grave ethical violation,” since affidavits are supposed to contain “all relevant information.” I tell everyone to remember the Duke Lacrosse case. It is nearly the same story different town all over again. The Duke Lacrosse case prosecutor did the same thing, that is held back all sorts of evidence that would of exonerated the Lacrosse players and saved them millions of dollars in defense costs, their reputations, the coaches job, a potential race war that Sharpton was trying to incite, and on and on.
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Mac
Posts: 159
Incept: 2009-09-04
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You know what would be a REALLY interesting statistic? To ACTUALLY know how many non-black people in the U.S. would like to see the black population just disappear. If you could get an honest discussion on the matter, which of course is impossible, I'd be willing to bet it would be a solid majority.
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Sailordeek
Posts: 553
Incept: 2011-06-08
Boston
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When I work on mega yachts, money is the issue for someone else. Don't have a billion in the bank? I will not work for you because you can't afford a premium well kept yacht. But this is the choice of the owner who has the money.
The government has no sense of taxpayer dollars. Its Oblabla bucks, or it is City bux, or it is in the "budget", there is never ending cash. This is the mentality. WTF.
Bankrupt this city for this race war, who cares, it is not like the schools wont provide their daycare. The trash will be picked up (Unless you live in Napoli, Italy.)
A rant, I know. There is never a cause that doesn't have the money.
This is a problem because law and justice have no regard for law and the false justice is produced at what cost?
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Sailordeek
Posts: 553
Incept: 2011-06-08
Boston
Online
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MAC, you are an ass!
I petition to have you banned!
Reason: Offensive prior post, offends man!
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Magus
Posts: 1979
Incept: 2008-05-04
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"To ACTUALLY know how many non-black people in the U.S. would like to see the black population just disappear. If you could get an honest discussion on the matter, which of course is impossible, I'd be willing to bet it would be a solid majority."
I'd bet its less than 5%, if that. Vast majority of people have no issues with anyone else. Race isn't a tabletop discussion at all and frankly isn't something I think about except for **** like this case when the MSM is purposefully stirring **** up.
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Arw
Posts: 218
Incept: 2009-03-02
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Post on FR...PER JAMIE HOLMES, WFTV "WE DID HEAR EVIDENCE THAT WE HAD NOT HEARD PRIOR TO THIS INCLUDING TRAYVON MARTIN ALLEGEDLY CIRCLING ZIMMERMANS CAR AT THE TIME AND OBVIOUSLY, THAT WILL COME UP IN TRIAL AND COME UP IN THE COURSE OF THIS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT MARTIN WAS SOMEWHAT AGITATING OR THE AGGRESOR IN THIS CASE
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Frat
Posts: 1935
Incept: 2009-07-15
NKY
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WTF Mac? Straw-man, paging Straw-man..... Gee, the song he sings in the Wizard of Oz is fitting there too.
**shakes head**
Where do some of these people come from lately?
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Jstanley01
Posts: 8182
Incept: 2008-07-30
San Antonio, Texas
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Frat wrote..Where do some of these people come from lately? 
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You can't cheat an honest man. ~P.T. Barnum
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Eaglewwit
Posts: 6054
Incept: 2007-11-30
SoCal
Banned
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Hockey sticks everywhere.
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Kwerk
Posts: 908
Incept: 2009-03-02
Banned
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Quote:I'd bet its less than 5%, if that. Vast majority of people have no issues with anyone else. Race isn't a tabletop discussion at all and frankly isn't something I think about except for **** like this case when the MSM is purposefully stirring **** up. White flight is basically an implicit form of the the same thing, the urge to be live apart from blacks. It's WAY more than 5%. |
Magus
Posts: 1979
Incept: 2008-05-04
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"White flight is basically an implicit form of the the same thing, the urge to be live apart from blacks. It's WAY more than 5%."
Nope--whites (and asians, hispanics, and middle/upper class blacks) all move away from CRIME. The fact that 50% of violent crime comes from young black males is why its skewed that way. Urban areas where crime is low, there is a strong influx of whites into the urban city, even with a higher % of blacks than the rural areas.
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"There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved."
-~~Ludwig V
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Agau
Posts: 4942
Incept: 2010-06-04
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Blacks are far more racist - just look how they voted for Obama
Nearly 100% strictly based on race
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Irishsamurai
Posts: 1150
Incept: 2008-11-03
GA
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Quote:
Nope--whites (and asians, hispanics, and middle/upper class blacks) all move away from CRIME. The fact that 50% of violent crime comes from young black males is why its skewed that way. Urban areas where crime is low, there is a strong influx of whites into the urban city, even with a higher % of blacks than the rural areas.
Mac like Kwerk (and a number of other posters here) lack common sense ... this has already been detailed in multiple threads. Common sense = don't live where you're likely to get mugged, raped, or murdered. To these people ... common sense = racist.
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Uppity_peasant
Posts: 3116
Incept: 2009-06-26
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Quote:Prosecutors have also located a witness near the site of the shooting who described seeing the shadows of two men pass by her home, one chasing the other, immediately before Martin was killed. The pursuit, in the direction of Martin's home, indicates that Zimmerman initiated the confrontation, Gilbreath said, under questioning from Rionda. Maybe this is like Plato's Allegory Of The Cave: Quote:Inside the cave
In Plato's fictional dialogue, Socrates begins by describing a scenario in which what people take to be real would in fact be an illusion. He asks Glaucon to imagine a cave inhabited by prisoners who have been chained and held immobile since childhood: not only are their arms and legs held in place, but their heads are also fixed, compelled to gaze at a wall in front of them. Behind the prisoners is an enormous fire, and between the fire and the prisoners is a raised walkway, along which people walk carrying things on their heads "including figures of men and animals made of wood, stone and other materials". The prisoners watch the shadows cast by the men, not knowing they are shadows. There are also echoes off the wall from the noise produced from the walkway.
Socrates suggests the prisoners would take the shadows to be real things and the echoes to be real sounds, not just reflections of reality, since they are all they had ever seen or heard. They would praise as clever, whoever could best guess which shadow would come next, as someone who understood the nature of the world, and the whole of their society would depend on the shadows on the wall.
[edit] Release from the cave
Socrates then supposes that a prisoner is freed and permitted to stand up. If someone were to show him the things that had cast the shadows, he would not recognize them for what they were and could not name them; he would believe the shadows on the wall to be more real than what he sees.
"Suppose further," Socrates says, "that the man was compelled to look at the fire: wouldn't he be struck blind and try to turn his gaze back toward the shadows, as toward what he can see clearly and hold to be real? What if someone forcibly dragged such a man upward, out of the cave: wouldn't the man be angry at the one doing this to him? And if dragged all the way out into the sunlight, wouldn't he be distressed and unable to see "even one of the things now said to be true," viz. the shadows on the wall (516a)?
After some time on the surface, however, the freed prisoner would acclimate. He would see more and more things around him, until he could look upon the Sun. He would understand that the Sun is the "source of the seasons and the years, and is the steward of all things in the visible place, and is in a certain way the cause of all those things he and his companions had been seeing" (516b–c). (See also Plato's metaphor of the Sun, which occurs near the end of The Republic, Book VI)[2]
[edit] Return to the cave
Socrates next asks Glaucon to consider the condition of this man. "Wouldn't he remember his first home, what passed for wisdom there, and his fellow prisoners, and consider himself happy and them pitiable? And wouldn't he disdain whatever honors, praises, and prizes were awarded there to the ones who guessed best which shadows followed which? Moreover, were he to return there, wouldn't he be rather bad at their game, no longer being accustomed to the darkness? Wouldn't it be said of him that he went up and came back with his eyes corrupted, and that it's not even worth trying to go up? And if they were somehow able to get their hands on and kill the man who attempts to release and lead them up, wouldn't they kill him?" (517a) The prisoners, ignorant of the world behind them, would see the freed man with his corrupted eyes and be afraid of anything but what they already know. Philosophers analyzing the allegory argue that the prisoners would ironically find the freed man stupid due to the current state of his eyes and temporarily not being able to see the shadows which are the world to the prisoners. Dang! Guess we gotta lynch Zimmerman, because he might have revealed the existence of the fire or the sunlight. Quote:The Allegory of the Cave—also known as the Analogy of the Cave, Plato's Cave, or the Parable of the Cave—is an allegory used by the Greek philosopher Plato in his work The Republic to illustrate "our nature in its education and want of education" (514a). It is written as a fictional dialogue between Plato's teacher Socrates and Plato's brother Glaucon at the beginning of Book VII (chapter IX in Robin Waterfield's translation) (514a–520a). The Allegory of the Cave is presented after the metaphor of the sun (507b–509c) and the analogy of the divided line (509d–513e). Allegories are summarized in the viewpoint of dialectic at the end of Book VII and VIII (531d–534e).
Plato lets Socrates describe a group of people who have lived chained to the wall of a cave all of their lives, facing a blank wall. The people watch shadows projected on the wall by things passing in front of a fire behind them, and begin to ascribe forms to these shadows. According to Plato's Socrates, the shadows are as close as the prisoners get to viewing reality. He then explains how the philosopher is like a prisoner who is freed from the cave and comes to understand that the shadows on the wall do not make up reality at all, as he can perceive the true form of reality rather than the mere shadows seen by the prisoners.
The Allegory is related to Plato's Theory of Forms, according to which the "Forms" (or "Ideas"), and not the material world of change known to us through sensation, possess the highest and most fundamental kind of reality. Only knowledge of the Forms constitutes real knowledge.[1] In addition, the Allegory of the Cave is an attempt to explain the philosopher's place in society: to attempt to enlighten the "prisoners". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of....George Zimmerman has ruined the media shadow puppet show! Death to George Zimmerman!
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Magus
Posts: 1979
Incept: 2008-05-04
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Agau--I believe the % of blacks that vote Republican is higher than polls indicate simply because of the pressure for appearances. I'm sure its still skewed but I don't think its quite as skewed as polls indicate. No evidence for that--just a strong hunch.
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"There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved."
-~~Ludwig V
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Yazooflesh
Posts: 5003
Incept: 2007-08-02
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This trial will be precedent setting. When this started I kept asking, "What was Trayvon doing in a gated community?" Well, now I know, after looking for simple facts. Trayvon's Dad was involved with a woman who resided in that community. So obviously he(Trayvon) had every right to walk about that community. George Zimmerman obviously was not aware of Trayvon's right to enjoy the community, for the simple fact that GZ obviously was not aware he had a right to be there. GZ assumed that Trayvon was an intruder...mainly because he had never seen him before. Was that GZ's call to make? If you're going to have Neighborhood Watch, you need to have clear directives. I can guarantee one thing after all this, there will be one heck of a civil lawsuit. George Zimmerman will pretty much be destitute the rest of his life...if he's smart!  |
Magus
Posts: 1979
Incept: 2008-05-04
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Yahoo--neighbors have every right to ask unknown people why they are in the neighborhood. IF GZ had confronted, if TM had simply said, "I'm visiting my dad "xxxx" who lives at #150 on (fill in road name here)" that would have likely been the end of it
"GZ assumed that Trayvon was an intruder...mainly because he had never seen him before."
This is quite an assumption. The phone call says it looks like he's up to no good or on drugs. It sounded exactly like how my brother acted at that age (which I've already posted on, but won't do again, feel free to search my posts).
It's pretty easy to tell the punk 17 year old thug or thug wannabees from the good kids--and race has absolutely nothing to do with it.
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"There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved."
-~~Ludwig V
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