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It would also remove any legitimacy from anyone they try to push as the next president or whoever.

I wish that were true...we have less than half of the American people that are eligible to vote, voting today...which by definition, means, the gov does NOT represent the people and has no legitimacy...but I agree with your message...I will NOT add my legitimacy to this corrupt system.

Obama won because enough thought Obama couldn't be any worse.

How did that work out?

Until there is sufficient numbers of constitution honoring conservatives there will be no vast changes only incremental ones.

The comments from a handful of people here illustrate exactly why the Republicans and Democrats continue to be in power, and why it's going to be incredibly difficult for a 3rd party to ever become a serious threat - and why we're inevitably fated to see our rights stripped away in the name of various causes that allegedly offer us "more protection" if we don't demand something different. All of you should be thoroughly disgusted at that thought, and instead some of you have resigned yourself to a straight-up, "I'll take B over A" choice instead of opting for C - some other candidate that actually preserves our rights [where such a candidate exists].

"Oh, but ____ is a bigger threat." Really, that's your justificiation for holding your nose and voting for the other evil? As Gen has repeatedly said, don't be surprised when your rights get stripped away in the process - because both major parties are bound and determined to do that. The only question is whether you're going to be willingly sodomized or not.

"But if I don't vote for one of the two major parties, I'm throwing away my vote." Really, you can't muster up enough courage to (A) vote for something different, and (B) encourage others to do the same? This year will mark the 6th time I've had a chance to vote for President, and each time the R's and D's have graced me with choosing between the evil of two lessers - and in response, I have yet to vote for either of them [and have told friends for years now they should do the same]. That message is slowly starting to sink in, and yet many of them still have the "well I have to choose one to keep the other out."

No, by choosing either one you perpetuate the problems that exist - and then you're [inexplicably] surprised that nothing ever gets fixed and your liberties get stripped away some more. I've browsed here long enough to recognize some people have influence; how many of you are really willing to get out the vote against the current system and back candidates who realize the Constitution is not used toilet paper and hold positions that actually protect the rights of citizens? Or, is that too difficult and you're just too lazy to take that kind of action and you think that if you keep pulling the same lever over and over, you'll eventually get a different result?

You have to demand different, folks. Settling for the status quo over and over again is how we're finally going to go right over the cliff. Maybe you're OK with that, but I'd prefer a better outcome - and it's not going to happen by continually running either the R's or D's into power.

We must change from the grassroots.

Start local and build on a foundation that will eventually be reflected at the top.

I am not perpetuating the status quo. I am trying to buy time.

The risks are far too high to do otherwise.

Imagining that a few loan voices can change the top of the ticket is counterproductive.

I respect others reasons but I don't have to agree with them.

Hypocrite Supreme wrote..

I don't 'claim' to believe in the 2nd Amendment, I live it and promote it aggressively as president of a regional gun rights organization that's one of the largest gun rights groups in America.

As a gun owner and activist, I have to deal with what the real world gives me, not what "should" be. My carry permit from Florida should be recognized in all fifty states, just as my driver's license is.

Permit (or license) = Privilege, which can then be revoked by the party that owns that privilege.

A right requires no permit or license; indeed one cannot be required, as a right never belongs to the government in the first place and therefore it may not "permit" or "license" that which it does not first possess.

Dans ses écrits, un sàge Italien
Dit que le mieux est l'ennemi du bien.

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The risks are far too high to do otherwise.

The risks will ALWAYS be too high? Do you think that's by coincidence?!

seriously, you dumbasses who would vote for obama again totally will get what you deserve.

it's coming, and you deserve it.

Pull your post quick Floridasandy. Read the TOS

Too late

floridasandy wrote..

seriously, you dumbasses who would vote for obama again totally will get what you deserve.

it's coming, and you deserve it.

Yep I agree

"Umm... no. You can simply choose to not vote. If the election day comes and goes and 90%+ of the voting population does not vote, that would send a signal to the politicians.

It would also remove any legitimacy from anyone they try to push as the next president or whoever."

Simply ridiculous. Do you really think the politicans care how many folks vote as long as they get back in office?

Templar, ``... a vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for Obama.'' Unfortunately, a vote for Romney is a vote for 0bama, too. You may like one's rhetoric better than the other's, but the policies aren't going to be substantively different.

``...the "he'll pass another AWB" is a red-herring as the votes are not there... The votes aren't there for 0bama to do it, either. But if either Romney or 0bama can do it, they will. Romney the fake conservative is more likely to succeed in getting gun control legislation to the oval office for signature than is 0bama. The Repubs and the Dems are committed to taking away as many of our rights as quickly as possible - that's the only thing more important than fighting with each other.

Suggesting that there is somehow a reason to chose between them, or that we have to vote for the Repubs to keep the commies out, is disingenuous. Americans have voted for the lesser evil for more than 70 years, and that's what got us in the fix we're in today. Voting for the lesser evil isn't going to get us out of the fix we got into by voting for the lesser evil. We always learn, too late, that the lesser evil wasn't lesser, but it's always evil.

Jack_crabb wrote..

Do you really think the politicans care how many folks vote as long as they get back in office?

I think most elections already have fewer than 50% of eligible people voting. In primaries, it's usually closer to 10%.

I've been saying for months that there is no way in hell that I will vote for Romney. I hope I don't have to eat my words. But at least Romney doesn't strike me as an America-hating, Whitey-hating communist traitor.

Still, I get awfully sick and tired of reading comments on other boards that say, "If you do anything other than vote for the R, it's exactly the same as voting for Obama." Bull****. Not voting is not voting. Voting for a third party candidate is voting for a third party candidate. The only way I'm voting for Obama is if I actually vote for Obama.

Well, I am sick of holding my nose and voting for the lesser of two evils. I am voting for Bill Still, even if I have to write him in.

wis/min

i may get banned, but i won't pull it.

somebody has to say it, because there is so much information out there for those who would look.

A second term for Obama will be the end of America, period. If he gets a second term he will blossom into a full-blown Communist dictator, with all that implies. Unless the military steps in, which I will fervently hope they do.

Romney will be very, very bad, but (hopefully) not that bad.

America may be coming to an end anyway, since neither of the major parties seems inclined to stop the insane borrowing and spending.

Rickl, you may be right about 0bama. I have never seen anything to suggest that Romney's ambitions are any different than 0bama's, though his rhetoric is different. That fake conservative rhetoric would make him a more effective tyrant, since he's going to get a pass from the conservatives who are fooled by it. 0bama is an open commie dictator wannabe, so he's going to face a bit more opposition.

Bad as 0bama obviously is, I think that the ``lesser evil'' is a worse idea.

Rickl wrote..

A second term for Obama will be the end of America, period. If he gets a second term he will blossom into a full-blown Communist dictator, with all that implies. Unless the military steps in, which I will fervently hope they do.

Please. This kind of B.S. was lobbed out 4 years ago in order to justify voting for McCain - especially the "Obama's going to take your guns away" line that sent people racing to load up on weapons before the ban on gun sales allegedly was going to go into effect on January 20, about 5 minutes after Obama got inaugurated. 3+ years later, and I'm still waiting for all of those really terrible boogeyman claims to play out.

I know, I know, this Obama "drive towards full communism" will happen in the next term when Obama knows he doesn't stand for re-election ... and when that doesn't happen, it'll be whoever the next D candidate is that's going to do it, and so on and so forth. It's going to be like the excuse to keep voting for the Republicans - "well we wanted to do _____ but those darn liberals wouldn't let us [even though we had control of both sides of Congress and the White House] ... just vote us in one more time, and we promise we'll push that agenda through!"

Romney = Obama, and Obama = Romney. Sadly, way too few people notice this, and think there's a real difference [and thus a real choice].

Nelstomlinson wrote..

Rickl, you may be right about 0bama. I have never seen anything to suggest that Romney's ambitions are any different than 0bama's, though his rhetoric is different. That fake conservative rhetoric would make him a more effective tyrant, since he's going to get a pass from the conservatives who are fooled by it. 0bama is an open commie dictator wannabe, so he's going to face a bit more opposition.

You have a good point. I expect that a Romney administration coupled with a Republican Congress will probably pass something like a VAT.

And while Romney doesn't seem as overtly anti-American as Obama is, I see a lot of conservatives trying to convince themselves that Romney will actually govern somewhat conservatively. In this sense he's exactly like Obama: a blank slate on which voters project their hopes and desires. That is frightening as hell.

Irishblues:
I heard that today Obama started attacking oil "speculators". That's exactly what Communists always do. If he gets a second term, he will nationalize the oil companies. Mark my words.

Romney MAY be able to govern conservatively provided he has enough conservatives in CONgress.

Boehner has to go.

Mulan Labe.
EOM.

This Ticker is the reason I luv ya, Karl. It's what separates you from the douchebags like Hannity, Limbaugh, and Levin. They may say what appear to be "good" things on their "popular" shows, but when it comes down to it, their only solution is to vote for Mitt or whatever other bull****ter the Rethuglican Party can put up. Are you kidding me? **** 'em. If they were really logical, they'd be voting for Obama again before endorsing any of these *******s from the Right. In other words, the talking mouths certainly ain't conservative, let alone libertarian. They're just ass munches who get paid to spin your wheels. Stick with the REAL DEAL. Stick with Karl. That's my advice to the laymen.