The way I see it, there are now two possible outcomes:

1. Zimmerman is found guilty because of intimidation, jury stuffing, and MSM/government propaganda, or;
2. Zimmerman is acquitted and there is violence and probably riots.

There was a third possible option, which was not to press charges, and I think things would have largely simmered down (of course, AG Eric PlaceHolder lets his buddies the New Black Panthers run amok making death threats). Now it's too late for that. It really seems like TPTB want to really stir up racial tension and further attack the Second Amendment. Is it also a ploy to help Obama? Does he even need it?

In any case, another proud day for the JustUs system and Amerika. I could say more but others have covered it pretty well, including of course Karl.

They really do want the race riots. They're running out of money so it's time to get the peasants spilling each other's blood. Get everyone to take their eyes off the ball while they can escape in the chaos. A very sick, sad state of a country. When you can have the government and the media have people lynched in the street and in our courts.

Eric Holder Praises Left-Wing Activist Al Sharpton, Says Facts, Law Will Guide Trayvon Martin Investigation

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/eric-hol....

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At the opening of NAN’s 14th annual convention in Washington, D.C., the attorney general first thanked MSNBC’s Rev. Sharpton “for your partnership, your friendship, and your tireless efforts to speak out for the voiceless, to stand up for the powerless, and to shine a light on the problems we must solve, and the promises we must fulfill.”

The more I'm thinking about this, especially with Obama's comments and Eric Holder's personally carting cans of gasoline down to south Florida and praising Al Sharpton's comments, the more I think Obama is fanning the flames to distract from discussions of government problems, failures of foreign policy and government debt.

I've been saying since this whole mess started that somebody or some organization was orchestrating it.

It's just too ****ing blatant. Hell, edited 911 calls in the MSM to purposefully make him look bad?! Do you really even need to hear all the other bull**** after that?

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And you know this how? Were you there?

Two witnesses, a 911 call during the fact and the injuries to Zimmerman put Trayvon on top of Martin during a minute long fight. You'd have to be a moron to prosecute this guy.

I'm guessing at this point, that the ballistics report came back, and paints a very different picture than what we've heard in the MSM... the prosecutor wouldn't have moved for a Murder 2 without solid evidence, and ballistics is about as solid as you're going to get in this case...

Penguinzee wrote..

I'm guessing at this point, that the ballistics report came back, and paints a very different picture than what we've heard in the MSM

02/26/2012
04/10/2012

44 days for a ballistics report for an "obscure case" like this one? 6 freaking weeks?

I guess their lab people had important Internet porn to review first...

Penguinzee,

OK then, tell me, assuming that you listened to the 911 call and screaming until the bullet hits... In your mind, tell me how ballistics would change that?

Edit: A quick surf of the web on ballistics does not make your ballistics call credible... Like in that there was no need to match the bullet. There is no new info that it was his gun so the only info needed would be distance from subject when shot and we are probably talking a difference of inches.

Asimov, I heard a local talk radio show that said NBC edited the 911 call "for time" and that the media does that 'all the time' with clips.

This is so far beyond absurd. Edited for time?? A simple "mistake?"? You would have to have the IQ of Mike Tyson to believe that.

I think "experts" will say the screams are Trayvon and that will be it for Zimmerman. IMO, there is probably no way to ever really know which one was screaming.

Holder's involvement here makes me sick. How can any of us feel safe exercising our right to self-defense after this fiasco? What happens if I'm walking my dog today and I'm jumped by a 17 year old "kid?" How many times could my head be smashed into the sidewalk before I never get up again? What if he only has a bag of Skittles and no weapon? Am I really in danger if a teenager attacks me without a weapon? (the media says no)

IMO, a teenager who would cold cock a school bus driver is likely to do the same thing to Zimmerman. Attacks on bus drivers and school staff often do NOT result in any charges or records. I'm not saying to judge anyone by their prior actions, but for me, the facts lean heavily toward a scenerio where Trayvon jumped Zimmerman and pounded him. I don't think the SA has any new evidence. It seems the pressure was building so she charged him.

My sister in law up north is all over this on Facebook, and she's 100% convinced that Trayvon was murdered. Ditto for one of my AA friends from high school - a married woman with kids, professional, very nice person. However, she is also posting that Trayvon was "murdered", etc.

It's "if the glove doesn't fit" all over again. Just because he "only had Skittles" doesn't mean he couldn't have attacked a man who then feared for his life. Ditto for the argument that some are making that the 911 operator told Zimmerman to retreat, so if he didn't, then he is automatically guilty.

"She's got the wrong charge because she couldn't charge Murder 1 without the Grand Jury (Florida law requires it only for that one charge.)"

slightly off topic, but how does the Florida law square with the 5th amendment

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury,..."

Joyce,

The federal courts have ruled that provision of the 5th Amendment is not "incorporated", which means it only applies to the federal government, not the states.

Yep.

Incidentally, here's something interesting from his booking photo (click for larger copy):



No manipulation done other than blowing the photo up to 300% of original size. That's clearly a split lip nearly all the way to his nostril and six weeks post-incident that was a BAD injury at the time. This is entirely-consistent with him being nailed in the face and knocked down -- I'll be very interested in any pictures taken the night of the incident or medical records, all of which will come out during the trial.

There is also what looks like apparent injury on the left side of his face just above the beard line but that scar may be old. This one clearly is not.

Trayvon's mom thinks his killing was an "accident."

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/0....

Goforbroke, it's a lame attempt to try and get GZ to use THAT as his story rather than self-defense, IMO.

Also would conveniently allow her to sue in civil court, which this DA circus yesterday might have been orchestrated for as well. Disgusting.

bertdibert,

Ballistics also takes into account trajectory and distance, entry and exit wounds, powder burns, and the like. No need to match the bullet, yes in this case, but all the other evidence applies... maybe I should have said forensics instead...

Frat: Doesn't matter.

If Zimmerman is convicted of any felony he does 25 years minimum -- and serves every day. That's the law in Florida if you commit a felony and in the process shoot someone. Presuming a ~10 year sentence for manslaughter where he serves 30 total (25 for the gun, 5 more for the manslaughter) he's 60 before he gets out (which is old enough that he's in the "die in prison" zone.) If he gets 20 or more on the predicate felony and serves half it's 35 years of actual time in which case he's beyond 65 and almost-certainly dies in prison.

If he's acquitted on the basis of self-defense under Florida law his liability shield is absolute.

She can sue all she wants but she's going to get exactly nothing and anyone who is suggesting to her otherwise is committing gross legal malpractice.

"And to me, irregardless of physical maturity, 17 year olds are still children, both intellectually and emotionally, and in their ability to make good decisions."

The question is physically. Is a 6'-2" 17-year-old a child physically? If he was attacking you, would you offer him a piece of candy to stop?

Yes, kids that age are idiots. We all were. Black, white, red, yellow, green (most especially the green ones). But with young black males there's more. They are expected to be aggressive and intimidating, or get picked on by their own. We know from the girlfriend that Trayvon verbally engaged George by asking why he was following him. That's not running into your home to lock the door and call police - no, that's being a tough guy, which grays out the black and white murder charge.

My money is on Trayvon at first being annoyed that he was singled out as suspicious (which he had no right to be), and then initiating the physical altercation (which he had no right to do), being a typical stupid kid. But that's what the trial is about. Note Trayvon's mother has said recently and very publicly that she believes it was an accident, for which George should apologize. She thinks it was something he would not do again if time could be turned back. And I agree.

Of the 40+ times George called the police, I haven't heard anything about any other confrontations he's had with any of the perps, much less having shot any. Maybe the police know more. But it still looks like George followed Trayvon towards the east gate, not knowing he was staying in the complex and had turned southward, and upon returning to his truck was confronted by Trayvon. That confrontation need not have ended in death, so what happened?

Penguinzee,

Yes, I understand, but the info you suggest would be immediately available. Normal police work would dictate this be done as a matter of due course. If they were waiting this long for that kind of evidence somebody should be fired... To the layman, I don't feel your suggestion holds up in such a high profile case.

I find it more likely that they got their best heads together and conjured up the most plausible event (however unlikely) to bring this about since Florida Law gives Mr. Z immunity from criminal and civil prosecution. So the prosecution would have to put forth a best effort to comply with the law in order to bring about charges. The extended delay puts forth the likelihood the prosecution is weak and that politics is in play, not the weight of the evidence.

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The federal courts have ruled that provision of the 5th Amendment is not "incorporated", which means it only applies to the federal government, not the states.

Funny how that works huh? Wonder why the Constitution isn't worth the toilet paper it's printed on anymore? :P

Random question: what are the standards for malicious prosecution in FL? If the evidence clearly shows self-defense as probable, can Zim sue?

Frat: Yes. Malicious prosecution is difficult to win, but Florida is a full-discovery state, so everything the state has must be turned over to the defense, and if it isn't it's an instant overturned conviction on appeal.

Further Zimmerman's lawyer is not a slouch -- he's formerly from the other side and he knows the law. He's not going to let them get away with any sort of game here, and the DA's office knows this, so I expect they'll comply with the law.

This is going to be quite an interesting case to follow as it unfolds; the booking photo is not good for the prosecution, and if the night-of films corroborate that split lip from the confrontation, along with injuries to the back of Zimmerman's head the prosecution has a big problem on its hands.

The only way they win in that case is if they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman initiated the use of force (e.g. he attacked Martin.) They may have evidence of this but they had better or they're in trouble.

Sojo: Exactly.

The law on this point is quite clear -- by charging Murder 2 she has set a bar that leaves her open to a dismissal pre-trial on a FAR easier standard than if she had charged manslaughter (or even just felonious assault)

If his lawyers successfully argue that he had an objectively-reasonable fear or death or great bodily injury then he gets a dismissal right there pre-trial. That all comes down to the objective physical evidence.

I can't wait to see the actual physical evidence. Seriously, I find it extremely hard to believe that there aren't crime scene photos - including and especially of GZ and his HEAD, that can't do anything but help his case. Of course, I'm biased and currently siding with the guy the MSM tried to convict in public, especially since it was obvious from the start how biased THEY have been.


It's time: put up or shut up, Madam DA.