Political Charge? This May Be Prosecutor's Biggest Mistake
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Posted 2012-04-11 18:05
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Political Charge? This May Be Prosecutor's Biggest Mistake
 

George Zimmerman has been charged with Murder 2 in the death of Trayvon Martin.

I don't have the evidence, of course, but this is the heaviest charge the prosecutor could lay given her decision not to go to a Grand Jury (which is required for Murder 1) and in my opinion it may be a critical mistake.  Here's why.

If she thought she has a murder charge (as opposed to manslaughter or felonious assault) she should have gone to the Grand Jury.  Then the heat is off her either way; if she gets no bill out of the Grand Jury then it's not on her.  If she gets a true bill then again, she's made her presentment.

But the problem with a Murder 2 charge is that if she overcharged -- that is, she basically swung the biggest bat she could and pushed the envelope -- she's got two separate problems.  I'll get to those in a minute but before I do some groundwork is necessary.

Murder 2 is defined in the law as killing of another human being during the commission of a felony that is imminently dangerous to human life.  Note that the distinction between Murder 1 and 2 is that the person has to be the direct contributor to be charged with Murder 1 -- but not Murder 2.  So in this case if you can charge Murder at all since there was no other party involved the only reasonable charge is Murder 1.

(The most-frequent time you see Murder 2 charges is when there's a robbery or some other serious felony and one of the people shoots another -- those not directly involved in the shooting part of the crime but otherwise involved in the predicate felony -- in this case the robbery -- will often be charged with Murder 2.)

That by itself says there is likely a political element in this -- like avoiding "instant riot -- just add New Black Panthers" (who, incidentally, the government has refused to arrest despite what appear to be clear violations of the law in their advocacy all on its own.)

So now on to the problems:

  • The jury may refuse to convict.  Remember that the standard is proof beyond a reasonable doubt.  Not "I think he did it", not "more likely than not."  And it's considerably easier to prove manslaughter or felonious assault than it is murder, especially when Murder 2 is the charge to use when your felony contributes to, but is not the actual cause of, the death of the other person -- and clearly, Zimmerman was the one who shot Martin.

  • Because of Florida's 10/20/Life Law, a murder charge is (mostly) a no-op in this sort of situation anyway.  A Murder 2 charge carries a term of any number of years up to life; capital punishment is precluded, and there is no automatic number of years.  This is compared against Murder 1 which has only two possible penalties -- life in prison and the death penalty.  The problem here is that Florida's 10/20/Life says that if you shoot someone in the commission of a felony you must be sentenced to at least 25 years additive to whatever the predicate felony sentence is and you must serve every day, with no early release or parole.  So if Zimmerman is convicted of Murder 2 and given a 20 year sentence, for example, he must serve at least approximately 35 years -- 25 on the firearm where there is no credit available and then, and only then, sequentially on the predicate (for which the usual credit can apply.) 

From a standpoint of punishment there is scant difference between manslaughter and murder 2 in this instance.  The reason is the mandatory sentence for the shooting -- that 25 years is a "serve every day" sentence and comes first.  As a consequence the penalty for manslaughter (15 years maximum) is not much different to a 30 year old man because you have 25 you must serve straight-up first.

In other words even if Zimmerman was to draw zero on a manslaughter conviction (ha!) he still does 25 years, which makes him 55.  If he does 10 more for the manslaughter he's 65 before he gets out.  And the difference between 65 and 75 is both not much and puts you into the range where the odds are high you're going to die in prison either way.

In short Murder 2, in my opinion, was unwise.  It greatly increases the risk of an acquittal, it leads to too many questions about whether the charge was political rather than fact-based as if the facts supported a murder charge she should have gone to the Grand Jury for the capital offense as Zimmerman was clearly the one who did the shooting, the effective sentence for both manslaughter and murder in this case is functionally close to identical given Zimmerman's age and if the jury believes there is any sort of taint in the process they are very likely to refuse to convict -- which is their job.

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We are all George Zimmerman...

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Postponing a riot is all they are doing...
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Yep.

Definitely some politicking going on, saw Holder today talking about looking into hate crime and throwing the book at him. Disgusting

I am not sure I follow on the murder2 thing though, what is the felony he is accused of aside from murder?

Oh and let me take a moment to apologize to the tickerforum for calling it a neocon hellhole. I certainly dont believe that as i wouldnt be back here and there are a few select individuals that was directed at. Thanks Karl

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"In short Murder 2, in my opinion, was unwise. It greatly increases the risk of an acquittal"

Which would fit with your prosecution for political reasons theory. Bring charges you know you'll lose to prevent riots now and hope for no riots after acquittal.
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She over reached for a reason:
1. she looks tough on this case.
2. she knows the evidence will not hold up.
3. it's a win win for her, even if she loses she wins (blame the jury) she's off the hook as well as Seminole County.
4. If she wins, well, there is a bright future for her in politics. Zimmerman will win on appeal but ruin him financially.
This will act as a pressure relief valve slowly bleeding off pressure.

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Yeah, if she was pretty clear on winning this then charging either manslaughter or felonious assault -- given Florida's 10/20/Life firearm law -- was IMHO the much better path.

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I just keep thinking "that poor kid." I mean Zimmerman, not Martin. Martin's troubles are over. IMHO, Martin lost his life in the commission of a violent assault and while his death is regrettable, it was an outcome that should have been considered. Zimmerman, guilty or innocent of *any* crime, is going to be dragged through the streets of public opinion and tried in political court. His life is never going to be the same. The stress of the whole situation may cause a psychotic break. ****.

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And of course Yahoo puts of a picture of 10 year old Trev..........
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Of course.... not the nice one with the grill.

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It greatly increases the risk of an acquittal, ...
No problem.

When he's acquitted, Eric Holder will charge Zimmerman with "Violating the civil rights of one of My People".
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Did you see near the end of the presser, the special prosecutor thanked all the people who "sent positive energy" to her? What kind of new-age crap talk is that? No one with that mindset has any business being a prosecutor. It's the antithesis of the cold, clinical scientific mindset that should prevail here.
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Finally! Glad he did not pull an OJ and take off, and turned himself in. The prosecutor may also have facts that the public may not have access too. She is throwing the book at him.

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From FindLaw: Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion" or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life. Second-degree murder may best be viewed as the middle ground between first-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.

I think the belief by the prosecutor is that this falls under #1 above...doubt it.
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Election year vote pandering or yielding to political pressure NBPP calls for honkey bloodshed, the Murder 2 charge seems like a good way to appease the rabble and get an acquittal.

I doubt they'll find an impartial jury of his peers, especially white hispanic peers. With all the crap that has been blown out of the asses in network media it will be nigh on impossible to find anyone that hasn't already formed an opinion in this case.

Godspeed George Zimmerman.
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Nicely put off until after the presidential election in all likelihood, the inside baseball on this one must stink.
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Kick the can down the road. Charge him to stave off the riots.

She knows she can't get a conviction so the riots will happen when he gets acquitted.

We need to get Rodney King to go to Florida and calm mother****ers down.

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Zimmerman has been charged. All well and good then. Might I ask - Exactly how do Trayvon Martin's rights differ from those of Anwar al-Awlaki and how does Zimmerman's crime differ from that of Obama?

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Smells like the prosecuting attorney is fishing for an acquittal. Time will tell.
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IMHO, Martin lost his life in the commission of a violent assault and while his death is regrettable, it was an outcome that should have been considered. Zimmerman, guilty or innocent of *any* crime, is going to be dragged through the streets of public opinion and tried in political court.


This Martin kid committed a violent assault with what instrument? A bag of skittles? Geezzz, I'm amazed at some of the stupid comments being thrown about here.

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Zimmerman won't survive 25 years if he goes to prison. He might not survive 25 days.

This looks like Rodney King all over again. Now that charges have been brought, the race baiters will accept nothing less than a conviction; otherwise there will be riots. Also, if Zimmerman is acquitted, he will probably be charged with some sort of federal crime for "violation of civil rights". Then he could be bankrupted by a civil case, as well.

It also seems to me like this is a direct attack on the principle of self-defense. It could have a chilling effect.

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This Martin kid committed a violent assault with what instrument? A bag of skittles?


With his hands. Every year more people are killed by someones hands than by assault weapons.

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Um, you can assault someone with fists. It's yet to be determined if he did, but your sarcastic statement is bilgeworthy for its ignorance.
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Jury selection will be everything in this case. Evidence is secondary.

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Mangoelvis wrote..
Jury selection will be everything in this case.

Any prospective juror who admits to watching or reading the MSM should be automatically disqualified.

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