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| Apple: $300 Or Less, Not $1,000 Or More in forum [Market-Ticker]
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Frankschoenburg
Posts: 178
Incept: 2011-08-05
Northbrook, IL
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Time to short? LEAP put? Stay the **** away?
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Marvinmartian
Posts: 759
Incept: 2011-03-16
Pasadena, CA
Banned
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I'm annoyed that Apple has announced OSX version 10.8, because I have not yet transitioned from OSX 10.6. Until now, major releases were every other year, when 10.8 comes out it will be about a year after 10.7.
They will stop supporting 10.6 with new security patches once 10.8 is released to the world.
OSX v10.6 is the last version of OSX that supports emulation of ppc legacy apps. I still have legacy apps that will never be ported from the ppc architecture, and documents that require those apps. The most important is Appleworks 6; its drawing capability is nowhere to be found from Apple.
As I encounter them, I'm making pdf files for referring to those documents, but I'll probably never "freeze" all of them.
At this time, I think I'm going to make a version of VirtualBox that let me run Appleworks inside 10.6 Snow Leopard inside the virtual machine.
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Dmj625
Posts: 447
Incept: 2010-03-01
New Orleans, LA
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I received an iPad as a gift just this past weekend. It is very nice. However, what stuck me immediately is that it is not materially different than the Kindle Fire that I bought for my children for 1/3 of the price. If anything, I find the form factor of the Kindle to be more appealing as a reader.
Sure the iPad has a ton more storage for music and pictures, but it size makes it inconveinent as an MP3 player or camera. I suspect that once the "new" wears off I will use it mostly for web browsing and e-mail. Kinda pricey for that, huh?
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Crzymorse
Posts: 1228
Incept: 2010-06-25
Maryland
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My feeling is if they succeed in becoming a digital hub with their family of consumer electronics then they are well on their way with iTV, icloud, tablets and phones. They have a shot at 1% of world GDP. The interconnectivity of these devices makes life much easier to use for the majority of users and much harder to migrate off to somebody elses digital hub.
Google is going to give them a run, the driverless car can change the productivty of the country profoundly.
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Docj
Posts: 1010
Incept: 2009-09-10
Duck & Cover
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I'm far less interested in the parabolic move of iDump than I am in trying to figure-out who it is that is eventually going to "eat their lunch", as it were. I had hoped it was going to be RIM, but that now seems highly unlikely. And as the owner of a 'droid I can tell you I'm spectacularly underwhelmed there as well.
And don't even get me started on Micro$oft.
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Delapaz
Posts: 61
Incept: 2009-04-29
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Those 34% hardware margins will not survive a Yuan-Dollar rebalance.
Another way to put it: 34% hardware margins depend on the Chinese buying and continuing to buy US paper fiat forever.
But hey, it's a nice party while the alcohol keeps flowing.
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Spanktron9
Posts: 2878
Incept: 2009-03-13
Reality.
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While I have questioned AAPL's future since $250, I believe the launch of the iPhone5/4G will spur a MASSIVE upgrade cycle. How many 10s of millions of iPhones are out there now? They are ALL salivating for the new hotness and a 4G platform. I see AAPL hitting $700 easily during this frenzy, with a potentially sharp pullback to follow.
/Not investment advice.
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Novid
Posts: 94
Incept: 2010-06-25
Philadelphia
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Quote:My feeling is if they succeed in becoming a digital hub with their family of consumer electronics then they are well on their way with iTV, icloud, tablets and phones. They have a shot at 1% of world GDP. The interconnectivity of these devices makes life much easier to use for the majority of users and much harder to migrate off to somebody elses digital hub.
Google is going to give them a run, the driverless car can change the productivty of the country profoundly. yall got to love this. IT DOESNT matter if they even reach that stage. Somebody says Apple is worth 1,000 a share is smoking the greatest ganja on earth. Even i, who isnt in the market and more into the socitial ramafications of how the market effects people... will tell you that not even the content creators of the TV shows that are on the Apple store - arent even worth 30 bucks a share. So how the **** Apple that special? Take Sony. They make master tape players, storage devices, owns a TV studio, Movie Studio, Music Empire (at one time) and video game makers and system. There NO WHERE close to Apple and Apple makes less "usefull" stuff than Sony. How you mark them up to 1,000 a share where as sony only goes for 27!?
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Asimov
Posts: 104646
Incept: 2007-08-26
East Tennessee Eastern Time
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Karl: Optimist.
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It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity. If you trade based on what other people say, you will lose money. Especially what I say. I won't be held responsible. Festina lente.
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Jubber
Posts: 14628
Incept: 2007-07-05
UK
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Well I think I will have to agree with Cramer (for once) here, there will be Apple and there will be Samsung running android, all other competitors, i.e Nokia, Blackberry, Motorola etc will be left by the roadside. The smartphone will/is becoming standard among the populations of the world, in the same way flat screens replaced square televisions. The tablet market as far as I can see, they basically have a monopoly.
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Genesis
Posts: 131440
Incept: 2007-06-26
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 Keep dreaming.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Inkt2002
Posts: 99
Incept: 2009-07-15
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Bold prediction. Hope you are right Karl. Even if it comes to fruition though, 300 is still well above the share price that you turned bearish on Apple. Ugh.
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Pheenix11
Posts: 48
Incept: 2010-08-16
Port Richey, FL
Banned
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I love Apple but when you start seeing predictions like this it's time to sell. And I'm not talking about Apple specifically, I'm talking about the entire market. Bernanke and friends have succeeded in blowing yet another bubble with cheap money that will burst and take everything with it. Get ready for Mad Max.
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Flappingeagle
Posts: 1247
Incept: 2011-04-14
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Guys I have a bit of an off-topic question. I've been thinking of purchasing an iPad or similiar item. What do you think is the best deal going if I want to be able to surf the web, handle email and read books as my primary uses of the item? iPad? Kindle Fire? XX?
Thanks;
Flap
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Here are my predictions for everyone to see: S&P 500 at 320, DOW at 2200, Gold $300/oz, and Corn $2/bu. "You can't build a house of cards on a shaking table." - Tony Johns The January 2015 AMZN put at $130 (cost $4.25) will be a winner.
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Grashopa
Posts: 2692
Incept: 2009-02-03
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Quote: Those 34% hardware margins will not survive a Yuan-Dollar rebalance.
I really don't get why people repeat this without thinking about it. The RMB was devalued about 50% and since 1994 the Chinese have doubled their money supply every 3-4 years. If there are 16+x more RMB in existence today and there is only 3-4x more USD in existence today after a 50% devaluation - don't you think perhaps the RMB should be worth less than it is? Do you really want to hold RMB in your bank account? Of course you can't even hold it now anyway!
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Theft is evil
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Kypackrat
Posts: 63
Incept: 2010-12-12
Banned
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$1000 per share is insane. IMHO $500 per share was sky-high, much less whatever it is now. Apple has to correct here, and IMHO it will overcorrect. It will also take the Nasdaq with it when it blows.
I understand why the market is desperate for an Apple: they want actual profits. HP is a zombie lurching towards a chop-shop takeover. Dell is a finance company pushing "fleeces" on hardware. Lenovo is forecasting 3% profit margins. Acer is longingly looking back towards its previous 3% profit margins and is wondering what happened. Samsung hasn't created a single dominant idea, and would be more profitable if it quit wasting its Apple-given profits competing with its best customer. Nokia couldn't find a clue with 4 committees and one supervisory committee of executives (and 5 different OS development teams).
Apple landed right in a perfect storm. Jobs believed in ultimate simplicity. Do it one way, the Right Way (TM). Offer the minimum possible number of choices, and make it easy. It worked for Saturn and for McDonalds. The iPad works because there are 2 choices: wi-fi only or cellular, and then 3 memory choices. For the Apple computers, it's portable or desktop, and then screen size (and processor, but I don't know any consumer that's cared about that for the last 3-5 years). Try ordering a computer from Dell: they have 6 different kinds of computers on the first page, and that's a distinct improvement from the multiples they used to offer.
There is a limit to the "just make it easy" market. Apple can saturate this market, and probably will soon if the economy downturns. Eventually, the cool side will get broken off by some other gee-whiz phone or tablet with a built-in blender and frappachino maker, and the low end will get squeezed by some toy making a $5 profit for their Indian or Chinese manufacturer.
However, $100 a share is silly. Even if we shave off the parabola and say they go 0 growth. They still have a loyal core customer base buying what they produce, and have a lot of profit margin to give. They could live well just supporting their current market for a foreseeable future, barring Apple's new "one more thing".
Karl, you're generating a Cassandra problem here: if you were putting your money where your mouth was the whole way up the parabola, you'd be long past broke. I understand that you have an irrational hatred for all things Jobs, but I think peeing on Jobs' grave would be more emotionally healthy and cathartic than railing against the irrationality of the market on Apple.
IMHO, everything you've ever forecasted about Apple can be applied to BMW and Mercedes equally. They sell luxury brands into a market dominated by low-cost options. Granted, neither has faced Apple's parabolic stock rise recently; but they have the same fundamental position. They both have loyal buyers in markets that traditionally run towards commodity status in bad times. So, why aren't you short BMW or Mercedes?
If I had money to spare, I could be talked into buying Apple at $300. Apple at $100 is IMHO just projection.
Reason: changed to "if the economy downturns"
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Genesis
Posts: 131440
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Quote:I understand that you have an irrational hatred for all things Jobs, You're done.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Controller
Posts: 66
Incept: 2009-11-01
North Carolina
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I have to agree, but it's impossible to time. Even Google had a blow off top in 2007. It wasn't as steep, but I saw the same symptoms. It was going up very quickly with virtually no news to support the rise. I sold at 709 and it peaked just a few days later. I haven't played it since and the price hasn't been back up there since. Maybe that was foreshadowing a market drop because that did coincide with the near S&P high.
Puts are way to expensive for me to be interested in, so I'm just going to eat popcorn and watch.
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Ihsmta
Posts: 560
Incept: 2008-04-10
Midwest, USA
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I looked really hard at Apple at $27/share and couldn't bring myself to buy as thought they were toast...then Jobs came back. Remember when Micro$oft made the sympathy purchase of Apple Stock? Everyone thought that MS was nuts!
Yep, I'm a moron, but I've still got some money in my pockets.
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"Economists are no different than the prophets of ancient Pompeii who reassured that Mt Vesuvius would never blow. After all, it never had before." Baxter Black, DVM and Cowboy Poet
"You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality." Ayn Rand
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Londoncat
Posts: 31
Incept: 2012-03-02
Kansas
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Flap - I don't know about everyone else, but I love the 2 GB 9.7" Le Pan tablet running on Andriod 2.2 (around $200 at Walmart and you can by a microSD card to increase memory up to 32 GB) - or the Le Pan II for around $250 which runs on Andriod 3.2 (Honeycomb) - 8 Gb internal storage and can also be upgraded with a microSD card to 32 GB of storage. Great for surfing the web, games, books, watching videos/movies, etc. Cameras are below average, but I don't need/use the cameras. I bought one of each for the kids 2 months ago and they are terrific - especially for the size and price.
I prefer andriod-based tablets over apple, especially when I can get them for about 1/3 the price. Won't be long before many others are considering price and function over the "coolness" factor.
------------------- Guys I have a bit of an off-topic question. I've been thinking of purchasing an iPad or similiar item. What do you think is the best deal going if I want to be able to surf the web, handle email and read books as my primary uses of the item? iPad? Kindle Fire? XX?
Thanks;
Flap
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Medicdan
Posts: 8127
Incept: 2010-02-11
Scottsdale, AZ
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AAPL should be day traded only in my opinion. Shorting this is just as dangerous as going long. At least in the current environment.
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Djloche
Posts: 3342
Incept: 2008-07-07
In the Mountains
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when the spice stops flowing, hardware companies like apple will collapse. apple makes great products, but their parabolic rise is ultimately dependent on slave labor & manufacturing coupled with carrier subsidies and .gov handouts.
i can understand buying apple products, but not their stock.
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"Just because the **** has not yet hit you in the face, does not mean that the **** has not hit the fan."
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Genesis
Posts: 131440
Incept: 2007-06-26
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The carrier subsidies will wind up killing their model. They're ridiculously outsized compared to the rest of the market; in this regard Apple is EXACTLY like Netflix and will end the same way.
How many iPhones does Apple sell at $600 cash up front each?
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Ckaminski
Posts: 1663
Incept: 2011-04-08
Online
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For support ability sake, I would have to say go with the kindle fire. I really like the nook brand, but I don't think much of B&Ns staying power compared to the Amazon juggernaut. Plus it's likely to see continued software updates,csomething that cannot be said (perhaps) about the Walmart specials.
I like my iPad and I like my android Xoom. But I write apps for both. If I had to choose only one... Probably the Xoom - I did buy it first, after all.
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