Justice In Sanford? Or In Kansas City?
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Posted 2012-03-26 21:21
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Justice In Sanford? Or In Kansas City?
 

Funny how it works one way with calls for vigilantes, ala a reverse-KKK (of course in black hoods instead of white ones) but when there is no question that the act was unjustified we hear..... crickets....

A 13-year-old boy who police say was doused with gasoline and lit on fire last week while walking home from school is recovering from first-degree burns to his face and head.

The boy was just two blocks from his home in Kansas City Tuesday when two teenagers began to follow him and then attacked him, his mother, Melissa Coon, said.

Police have described the suspects as black 16-year-olds, while the victim is white.

Bet you didn't hear about that all over the national media. 

WHY NOT?

IT DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE COLOR OF THE SKIN OF THE SUSPECTS AND MOST-ESPECIALLY THE VICTIM, RIGHT?

Oh, and as for Martin and Zimmerman in Sanford?  You might want to read this:

With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk, leaving him bloody and battered, law-enforcement authorities told the Orlando Sentinel.

And before you say it's all "he-said, she-said" let's again quote the original police report:

Looks like corroborating physical evidence might have been found....

And why was Trayvon there?

Trayvon was visiting his father's fiancée, who lived there. He had been suspended from school in Miami after being found with an empty marijuana baggie. Miami schools have a zero-tolerance policy for drug possession.

Of course everyone carries around an empty marijuana baggie, right?  Speaking of which, how does one know if a baggie is a marijuana baggie and not a more-ordinary baggie that previously contained, oh, a ham-and-cheese sandwich?  I doubt it was labeled "marijuana baggie" to ease identification as a piece of contraband.  Might there have been a bit of marijuana still in the baggie?  If there was that of course leaves one to wonder if there was previously more marijuana in the baggie that someone might have consumed, yes?  Maybe very recently consumed?  After all how long would you carry around an empty bag that once used to contain drugs, considering that it no longer has anything of value in it?  It's not like it's hard to get a new baggie if you want to acquire more weed, right?

Just curious, of course...

At a Monday news conference, Trayvon's mother, father and their lawyers called the report that their son was suspended from school because of a marijuana baggie irrelevant and needlessly hurtful.

Trayvon's father, Tracy Martin, said "even in death, they are still disrespecting my son, and I feel that that's a sin."

Irrelevant?  Not at all.  It explains what Trayvon was doing there.  It is therefore quite relevant. 

As for being a sin to comment on this is Trayvon's father using a special selective version of the Bible?  You know which one that is -- that's the version of the Lieberally-Enhanced Sharpie-Marker Bible that only labels acts sinful if particular people engage in them while for other people essentially anything -- including maybe bashing people's heads against sidewalks -- is ok.

Read the rest of the Orlando Sentinel article.  It's quite interesting and raises many questions -- questions we should demand answers to particularly given the media circus and rather-biased "reporting" we've seen thus far on this incident.

Oh, and while we're at it can we all please see some actual authenticated recent pictures of Trayvon?  I'm kinda interested in exactly how big-and-built this "kid" was, given that it's reported and supported by physical evidence that he managed to both jump Zimmerman and pin him, then pound his head on the sidewalk.  There's a bunch of pictures floating around the Internet, along with a number of captured copies of tweets that allegedly were from Trayvon too, before his friends, family (or his family's lawyers) got them removed.   I have no way to validate any of this material but the picture of events we're seeing as actual evidence emerge into the public eye isn't quite what we've all been told by certain rather-interested parties.  And what's with trademark registrations that were recently filed?

This, incidentally, is why I looked at the police report originally.  It didn't jive with Zimmerman being the aggressor -- but it sure did if, as was reported, Zimmerman was knocked down, mounted and then pounded upon.

The reported lacerations on the back of Zimmerman's skull are consistent with having his head slammed on the sidewalk by Martin as well. 

Now perhaps as more evidence emerges into the public eye my view on this incident will change.  I tend to look at virtually everything I see with a jaundiced eye these days when the media gets hold of a story, especially a story like this one.  But when you have physical evidence, one of the participants' stories and witnesses who all converge, that's pretty compelling stuff.

For my opinion to change the facts in the public view would have to change or be augmented.  I've got an open mind on this, but it isn't going to change due to people screaming "Racism!", especially not when the loudest screamers are professional agitprops like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, and it definitely won't change when there are calls for blatantly felonious conduct to take place, such as kidnapping with a $10,000 bounty offered for anyone willing to break the law in such a fashion. (Oops -- looks like one of the New Black Panther Party's members was busted for alleged possession of a firearm as a convicted felon this morning in Georgia.  Oh darn.)

I have just one question for everyone who is considering this case, including Chuckie Schumer and Jesse-The-Racist Jackson, both of whom would love to ban guns, even when used for apparent defensive purposes (but do not, apparently, call to ban gasoline when used to douse and set aflame white kids):

Exactly how many times will you consent to having your head slammed on concrete by someone who knocks you down and then gets on top of you before you conclude that you have the right to defend yourself, including through the use of deadly force? 

Is that threshold reached before or after your skull is cracked open like a coconut and your brains are splattered all over the sidewalk?  Are you willing to voluntarily submit to that test in person?  (Hint: It ain't felony assault if you consent; that's masochism, and it's legal!)

Please answer in public so you're "on the record."  After all, we wouldn't want to misunderstand your actual position on exactly when everyone is in the clear exercising the unalienable right to not die when having their head slammed against concrete by an alleged assailant.

Oh, and while you're contemplating that please also consider where the reporting and "in your face" coverage is on the white boy up above who was doused in gasoline and set afire by, it appears, two older black teens.

I'm waiting for those answers folks.

I suspect Hell will freeze before I get any of them.

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And of course there is the little matter of suspected less-than-friendly past acts by Trayvon.



http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/27....

"SANFORD -- Miami Gardens teenager Trayvon Martin was suspended from school in October in an incident in which he was found in possession of women’s jewelry and a screwdriver that a schools security staffer described as a “burglary tool,” The Miami Herald has learned.

Trayvon, who claimed that an unnamed friend had given him the jewelry, was not disciplined because of the discovery, but was instead suspended for graffiti, according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by The Miami Herald.

A lawyer for the dead teen’s family acknowledged Trayvon had been suspended for graffiti, but said the family knew nothing about the jewelry and the screwdriver, calling the information in the report an attempt to “demonize” the youth.

According to the report, on Oct. 21 staffers monitoring a security camera at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School spotted Trayvon and two other students writing “W.T.F.,” an acronym for “What the f---,” on a hallway locker, according to schools police. The security employee, who knew Trayvon, confronted the teen and looked through his bag for the graffiti marker.

Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described the screwdriver as a burglary tool.

Trayvon was asked if the jewelry, which was mostly women’s rings and earrings, belonged to his family or a girlfriend.

“Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,” according to the report. Trayvon declined to name the friend.

School police impounded the jewelry and sent photos of the items to detectives at Miami-Dade police for further investigation."




http://www.examiner.com/charleston-conse....

"A twitter message, allegedly sent by Trayvon's older brother, suggests Trayvon was suspended for assaulting a bus driver."

"WAGIST.com says that Stephen Martin tweeted a message to Trayvon on February 21st that read "yu ain't tell me yu swung on a bus driver." Based on screen captures provided by WAGIST.com, the message appears to be authentic. It was sent five days before the shooting, and raises a lot of speculation. Was Trayvon Martin suspended for ten days for assaulting a bus driver?"

"Update: The Florida Sun-Sentinel reported today, March 26th, that Trayvon's ten day suspension was related to marijuana. This, and a cryptic comment by his father that was quoted in the above Kansas City Star article, suggest he was caught smoking marijuana on school property."


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Thanks Karl.

Zimmerman may or may not be guilty of a crime, let's let the local police and cj system sort it out, but there is absolutely no reason at all to make this a national issue... unless you're trying to start race riots in an election year of course. Those are the folks who have blood on their hands.

Oh and waiting on Obama to comment on that 13 year old white kid? Yeah I don't think I'll hold my breath on that one.


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Well I don't consider smoking dope to be worthy of prosecution but as it stands now it is.

B&E, vandalism or theft are a different issue entirely.

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Remember when racism was a serious social issue and not a political wedge cynically exploited by a bunch of opportunistic *******s? Sharpton and his ilk are a disgrace to the civil rights movement.
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From Michelle Obama's senior thesis ...
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Earlier in my college career, there was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the Black community I was somehow
obligated to this community and would utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost. My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my “Blackness” than ever before. I have found that at Princeton no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my White professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don’t belong. Regardless of the circumstances under which I interact with Whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be Black first and a student second.

These experiences have made it apparent to me that the path I have chosen to follow by attending Princeton will likely lead to my further integration and/or assimilation into a White cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant. This realization has presently, made my goals to actively utilize my resources to benefit the Black community more desirable.

http://obamaprincetonthesis.wordpress.co....

No agenda/bias here.

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Bunch of places report that Treyvon went online by the name “NO LIMITS NIGGA” http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news.... (see another pic that looks to be a 100% match to the "kid" pics shown in the media).

Background of his Twitter page has been reported as that of a rapper who is doing life without parole for beating up and shooting to death 16-year-old at a night club.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2....
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Compare more current Treyvon to his older known picture.
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Zimmerman MUST be considered innocent until PROVEN guilty beyond a resonable doubt. Anyone attempting to commit violence against Zimmerman is asking for a bullet for themselves. (Incidentally, this is exactly why common police policy of stealing firearms in self-defense cases is morally wrong and illegal - in case the shot assaulant's friends decide to commit some crime in vengeance.)

Genesis wrote..
Exactly how many times will you consent to having your head slammed on concrete by someone
Exactly zero. Know full well what can happen to a human skull impacting concrete: even one is a potential fatal assault. If I could get away, warn off, or otherwise avoid contact with an openly hostile person, I'll consider it a win. Should I fail and the intentions of my pursuer are blatantly hostile, I am not likely to wait until the actual assault to begin to draw a firearm. If the act of drawing the firearm fails as the last warning, along with 'stop or I'll shoot!', then I'm very likely to shoot an aggressor (hopefully) before he can lay a finger on me.

If I would assume that the Orlando Sentinel's reporting of the witness account is accurate, I'd be upset that the cops arrested Zimmerman at all - standard policy be damned (where exactly does "officer safety" trump the Constitution? If there's no probable cause, there's no probable cause). As such, it would be completely expected that the prosecutor would decide to not even ask a grand jury in such an absolute, obvious case of self-defense from a felonious assault.

Regardless, the job of determining guilt or innocence is that of a jury, and whether or not there is to be charges brought at all is the job of a prosecutor and possibly a grand jury.

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Set a kid on fire. Wood chipper.
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Wanna get*****ed? Look at how the FBI has counted most all "hispanic" crime in the southwest USA during the last 20 years as crime done by whites.

Get back to me.

Play the race game.

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The Obama's need to stfu. Barack was raised in Hawaii. You would think he was raised in Tupulo the way he carries on. As for the old lady, who knows. Bet she got her college free. I don't have anything against blacks but their continual bitching, like they are the only ones that got a hard knock in the past. There has been more Ameican money thrown at the black, I have been put down and discriminated against so bad problem, in the last 50 years than was thrown toward poor underprivileged whites in the US and Europe for the prior 200. The poverty pimps. Every time a white guy harms a black guy, it is a hate crime, but reverse it and it is just a crime? Where the hell is equal protection under the law? Why don't they put up the crime done against terrified black residents in rough neighborhoods by black thugs? I have been tired of this race circus for years. The Po White trash has had it hard as well. Some of us are just born in better circumstances. I have had some black friends all my life and the only ones that ever got out of the rut, got away from this ghetto based nonsense. No one has closed the door and locked them in there.

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Were I Zimmer, I'd set on my porch with my AK74 and loaded with a 75 round drum mag,give interviews to any and all press agents, and openly state I'm waiting for da black panters. While wearing my rifle plates.

Next I'd drive to DC and ask for an interview with Schumer, unarmed, and call him a gutless, D*ckless, inhuman piece of *****, and smilingly spit in his face.

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Wanna get*****ed? Look at how the FBI has counted most all "hispanic" crime in the southwest USA during the last 20 years as crime done by whites.


DUC good eye. I noticed this years ago when researching crime/race rates...hilarious really how the .gov lies literally about every statistic. The .gov has been lying to our faces for 40 years...hmmm....I be wondering why...to whose benefit?

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Raftermanfmj wrote..
Were I Zimmer, I'd set on my porch with my AK74 and loaded with a 75 round drum mag,give interviews to any and all press agents, and openly state I'm waiting for da black panters. While wearing my rifle plates.
Easy to type. How long have you gone without sleep? How much food do you have in your house that you could prepare and consume on your porch? Bet your neighbors might have something to say about your porch-o-potty. What's your firefighting plan should someone lob a gas-and-styrofoam-filled flaming glass bottle in your rear window while you go bonkers with boredom on your front porch? I also have great personal interest in seeing your 5,000-round AK drum.

This is why society exists, so we can watch eachothers' backs for the stastisically-few monsters out there. (That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men.)

I feel disappointed in myself that I'm not down in Sanford right now, open-carrying a rifle, pitching in with a volunteer patrol of his property for protection of it and its owner's life. (I do realize George has been reported as going into hiding - I don't blame him.)

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Just as the police found, Mr Zimmerman did what he had to do. I would have done the same! This case proves how bad the press has become, the agenda is discussing. Why is the gov. so intent on breeding race/class wars. Half of the people in this nation will never believe the truth now that it is coming out, **** most I have spoken with about this case think Trayvon was 11 or 14. We are so screwed!
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I just saw some of Anderson coopers interview with the black panthers. These guys are openly saying they don't follow US law and sounded like a terrorist outfit. How can they go on national tv and put a bounty on someone yet no one bothers to even investigate them?

I think this nation is in for one hell of an ugly scenario when TSHF.
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Listened to Anderson Cooper tonight, the facts seem to be getting in the way of the story in a inconvenient kinda way.
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After Obama's comments and DOJ's actions on this case and others, I am voting for Romney. I will vote to defeat Obama.

I really don't like Romney. I will also vote for anyone in congress who will have the balls to impeach this president.

This is racism plain and simple.
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I think I spend too much time on TF and not enough watching TV. I live in Kansas City and don't remember hearing about the 13 yr old, however my husband does.

There was a 16 yr old girl shot and killed in a double shooting in south Kansas City a couple weeks ago. Black on black crime? Most likely, or you would have heard about it too. It only briefly made the local news. She was supposedly very popular and had no enemies.

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/19/350....

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Sharpton or Jackson came out right away and said "black people in this country are being attacked". It takes a lot of nerve when roving groups of blacks have been attacking whites (spurned on by Obama). I guess it hasn't been making the news lately but is still alive and well.
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There is something that has bothered me. Why was his father searching the bushes in the area after the incident? I know what he told the media. He said he was looking for proof that Zimmerman murdered his son. What proof would be in the bushes? Zimmerman said he shot the boy. He gave the gun to the cops. What would be in the bushes? A 17 year old doesn’t get gold teeth and tattoos without parental consent. His father was aware he was a drug user/ dealer? What was he really looking for? What did Travon really tell his girlfriend?


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Ok what you are saying that if someone where mounted on top of you and slamming your head on the pavement. If you were able to draw your gun before you passed out, you would ask the assailant to stop and have a time out so you could warn him you were about to shoot him? Really? Really?

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Al Sharpton + Jesse Jackson = Agent Provocateurs, both need to be publicly flogged!

What can be done about the MSM spin wherein the story doesn't match the evidence? Throw in some pictures of 12 year Trayvon vs. 17 year old gold grill @No_Limit_Nigga Trayvon, is that biased or not? Or better yet, photoshop an actual photo: http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorou....

Maybe we can revive an old meme and apply it to the evidence versus the spin, "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit."






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The past acts of the boy/punk and the man/punk have nothing to do with it.

Far as I can tell the only question I have is for the only one still able to talk and that is did you shoot to kill with no warning.

No matter the gold toothed thug zonked out on evil weed , i have yet to see one that wouldn't step back with a gun thrust into his chest.

A kill shot with no warning deserves jail time. Peeps like Zimmerman shouldn't carry as if that's the way it went down he is not fit.

As to the Kc thing, I wouldn't take everything I "heard on the street" as the truth anymore than I would anything the Orlando Sentienal gets from some inside source who is breaking the law by leaking the "info".



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The "warning" in this case was that some people are armed, and (according to witnesses buttressed by the police report) if you are atop them while they are flat on their back and assaulting them, some people carry firearms and will use them when they cannot get away from you.

In my own theoretical example of much-less-easy-to-prove self-defense, I'd likely shoot an aggressor before being injured myself. I suspect people like you, Joejohns, would be lining up around the block to damn me for not at least taking one punch, or not having my skull smack the pavement at least once.

Here's the warning: DON'T ATTACK PEOPLE! SOME OF THEM WILL SHOOT YOU!

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Not familiar with FL law, but in Washington State, I am not required,expected, or going to warn someone that I am in FEAR of my LIFE, before I use my firearm for Self-Defense.
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