Noah Feldman's (and Harvard's) Folly On Health Reform
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Posted 2012-03-26 12:27
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Noah Feldman's (and Harvard's) Folly On Health Reform
 

The stupid, it burns!

The signature accomplishment of Barack Obama’s administration is on the line. To strike down the Affordable Care Act, the court would have to announce that mandatory insurance coverage is, quite literally, beyond the power of the government.

In economic terms, that would mean saying that universal health care in the U.S. can’t be achieved except through a single-payer system administered entirely by the government, which in political terms seems essentially impossible. If the mandatory coverage provision goes, so does the whole program.

So what?

We could have a nearly-crime-free society if you had to submit to a search every morning and evening, with a camera in your bedroom hooked directly to the NSA.  Terrorism risk would be near-nil, there would be no guns and no crime except that which you committed with your bare hands. 

We could catalog every instance of a baseball bat or 5-iron and if you didn't use them for legitimate purpose (e.g. playing baseball or golf) at least once a month, off with your head!

It gets worse, of course.  The very name "insurance" is a fraud in this bill and among those discussing it.  This is not an attempt to provide insurance (a pool of risk against infrequent but ruinously expensive events) but rather it is an attempt to provide health assurance (a guarantee of outcomes.)

That too is a fraud and doomed to fail; we are not only all genetically unique, and therefore will have disparate health outcomes as a function of things we cannot control but we're also unique individuals in our decision making as well.  Some of us will choose to sit on our asses and stuff our faces, others will choose to jog every day, and still others will choose to be triathletes.  Some of us will choose celibacy, others monogamous personal relationships and still others will choose to screw anything that walks.  Some of us will smoke, others will drink alcohol. Some will skydive, others scuba dive.  All of these choices will have an impact on health outcomes -- some for the good, others not so good.

It is inherent in our Constitutional Republic that these outcomes are a matter of personal right -- unalienable rights in point of fact.  Attempting to level the outcomes is not only impossible, it's unconstitutional.

There is nothing in the Constitution allowing the Federal government to mandate commerce.  Should this law be allowed to stand then the most-ridiculous down to the most-sublime becomes permissible.  There is no longer a 4th Amendment or 5th for that matter as your right to property has already been surrendered through the health law, as has your right to be secure in your person -- medical records are about as sensitive as it gets, and suddenly it's all the property of the government.

Obamacare is not so much about health care as it is about whether the Constitution still has meaning.  All administrations of the left and right over the last three decades have used it as toilet paper, but now comes Obama through the government and submits that Congress has the power to literally destroy what little recognition remains of unalienable rights.

Whatever the Supremes decide, of course, will not change whether unalienable rights exist.  By their very nature no government or judge can remove them -- they do exist. 

However, should The Supremes decide that the Constitution is just an inconvenient piece of paper and a vestige of days gone by instead of the foundation of this nation, which is what a ruling upholding Obamacare would constitute, then the gang of nine will eventually be forced to stand trial in a much higher tribunal when, not if, public recognition of unalienable rights clashes with what the Supremes have done and this nation is once again are forced to revisit the days of 1776.

May providence guide both the Supremes and America away from that cataclysm.

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Liberty, by definition, includes the possibility of blowing it. Even to the end of one's own destruction. Against which, it has been the utopians who promise that -- if we just give up "a little bit" and put our lives in their hands -- that "all the women will be strong, all the men good looking, and all the children above average"; it is they who have been greatest mass-murderers this planet has known.

Go figure.

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Nice. Excellent Ticker.

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Karl, this nation is so dumbed down they won't care if the gang of nine green lights this abomination known as "Obama Care".
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Oh yes they will with what follows it...

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You should send this to all SCOTUS judges.

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There is nothing in the Constitution allowing the Federal government to mandate commerce. Should this law be allowed to stand then the most-ridiculous down to the most-sublime becomes permissible.

Yep. The precedent that sets, the government can force everyone to buy whatever they want or pay a fine/go to jail.

Capitalism gone berserk... but even worse when the corporations have merged with the government... then let's say Apple buys the government... then the government can pass a law saying every living human being in the US must buy a new Ipad or go to jail... I'm exaggerating, but you get the point.

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As always. Good Ticker.

If you want to see a "deer-in-the-headlights" moment with a Liberal/Progressive arguing Obamacare is constitutional and the government has the right to make you buy something it deems good for you try this on them....

Suppose crime starts to sore again in all the major cities and the majority vote in a majority (no veto possible) tough-on-crime talking conservatives. Due to the precedent set by Obamacare they pass a law requiring everyone to buy a gun...tell me Mr. Liberal/Progressive, do you still support the notion the government should have the right to tell you what to buy???

The looks you will get are priceless...


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Vitchilo wrote..
Capitalism gone berserk...


Another person who has no clue what capitalism is, yet feels free to post gibberish. Do yourself a favor, along with the rest of us: read the definition, and why it's important: http://www.importanceofphilosophy.com/Po....

"Capitalism" is conventionally defined along economic terms such as the following:

An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.
Source: Dictionary.com

This is an example of a definition by non-essentials. An essential definition of capitalism is a political definition:

Capitalism is a social system based on the principle of individual rights.
Source: Capitalism.org

In order to have an economic system in which "production and distribution are privately or corporately owned", you must have individual rights and specifically property rights. The only way to have an economic system fitting the first definition is to have a political system fitting the second definition. The first is an implication of the second. Because the second, political, definition is fundamental and the cause of the first, it is the more useful definition and is preferable.

Because people often use the term "Capitalism" loosely, "Laissez Faire Capitalism" is sometimes used to describe a true Capitalist system. But this phrase is redundant.

It is important to define "Capitalism" correctly because a proper definition is a prerequisite to a proper defense. Capitalism is the only moral political system because it is the only system dedicated to the protection of rights, which is a requirement for human survival and flourishing. This is the only proper role of a government. Capitalism should be defended vigorously on a moral basis, not an economic or utilitarian basis.

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Oh and another thing -

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but even worse when the corporations have merged with the government


That would be fascism, not capitalism.

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Tesla : yeah well I meant that capitalism gone berserk always transforms into fascism because of the corruption.

That's what happens when there's no rule of law.

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That would be fascism, not capitalism.


Yup, and we're heading there at light speed.
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@Vit - it has nada to do with capitalism and everything to do with fraud and corruption, so don't conflate the two.

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The government only has to force you to do a handful of things, such as this healthcare, and they have effectively taken away all of your income turning you into a slave to the government.

The government can say you can't to 1000 things and there are still millions of things you can do but, when the start forcing you to do certain things they only have to make you do a few to take away all of your liberty.

This "Healthcare Law" does not fix healthcare or make it affordable, all it does is give the healthcare providers and the government unlimited access to your wallet and life.

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The Institute for Justice is weighing in on Obama care with an argument that says, in essence, that you can't be forced to agree to something - i.e., a health insurance contract - because then it wouldn't be an agreement. Seems logical enough even for the Supreme Court. George Will has a column about it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/o....
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We are already a fascist state and even Ron Paul has no answer for this. If you cannot remove the money from politics, then everything else he stands for is basically babbling over nothing.

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The signature accomplishment of Barack Obama’s administration is on the line.


It was a resounding success, the biggest shakedown in the history of the medical industry. Regardless of the outcome of Obama care, they have already lined their pockets.

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Shakedown OF the medical industry? How about shakedown FOR the medical industry. Yes, the pol's involved may have received all of their bribes/donations already, but the medical industry (if this law stands) just received millions of more guaranteed customers. Whether they pay themselves, or the government pays on their behalf, they do not care.
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Joyce, it is not the medical practitioners that win in this. It will be the insurance companies, which already drive pricing. (Well, the price-drivers are the insurance companies and Medicare, since they set the rates.)

There are not a whole lot of practitioners making money hand over fist. Many of the docs that are turning a profit are doing so by restricting access to patients, using concierge care and not taking on Medicare patients.

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Gen wrote..
May provenance guide both the Supremes and America away from that cataclysm.


Amen.

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Yup, and we're heading there at light speed.



Already arrived in full bloom in September 2008.

To the point, I think there were at least 5 justices involved in negotiating this ... I mean, the positions of at least 5 were "accounted for" before it was passed.

Where's Corzine?

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Tesla : I'm a libertarian, so I believe in capitalism... it's just that capitalism leads to lots of money... and then corruption.

Capitalism will work... if laws are followed and applied.

But today we've got nothing like capitalism. We've got fascism, like you said.

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Tesla : I'm a libertarian, so I believe in capitalism... it's just that capitalism leads to lots of money... and then corruption.


Think about what you just said. Communism doesn't lead to lots of money so there is no corruption. Do you realize there is no connection yet?

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BOOM!

Deleted or never made it into the actual article, but on the CNN.com homepage...
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In a new CNN/ORC International Poll, only 46% of Americans say the Supreme Court's health care decision will be based on an objective interpretation of the law


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Karl:
In your Noah Feldman piece, I think you want to use "Providence" (God, conceived as sustaining and guiding human destiny) not "provenance" (chronology of ownership). Otherwise, nice MT item.
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Obamacare is not so much about health care as it is about whether the Constitution still has meaning.


Hit the nail on the head with that one. This is about nothing more and nothing less than our very liberty. I told my kids this morning that this case is the most important Supreme Court decision in history - if the federal government wins, it will then be able to force you to buy ANYTHING. That includes membership in a gym, a device (that you MUST wear) which proves that you actually exercised, specific foods (from, of course, specifically-named providers), specific brands of medication (both prescription and OTC), specific books (which just "might" have a particular point of view) and tests to make sure that you actually read the books, cars (GM, anyone?), etc., etc., etc., ad infinitem. There will literally be no limits on the the power of the government, and our liberty will become a receding memory.

If the Supremes don't rule that the Obamacare mandate is unconstitutional, the USA is over. If that happens, I would expect, over the next several years, scores to hundreds of thousands (at least) to be imprisoned for failure to obtain insurance and failure to pay the penalty for that to the IRS. I would further expect that some of those people will not go quietly to jail - so, ironically, a law supposedly meant to improve health will directly cause deaths among both the civilian population and government employees. Frankly, I HOPE that it does - it'll be evidence that the spirit of liberty hasn't yet died.

Ironically, I don't need a law to tell me that it makes sense to have insurance - I already have it without any mandate, as does 90% of the population. But I resent the **** out of being told what I MUST do, under penalty of fines and imprisonment - just like seatbelts (which I wear out of my own sense of what is wise to do, not because a bunch of control-freaks in the legislature decided for me what is in my own best interest). What*****es me off to no end is that if I ride the 2/10 of a mile from my mailbox to my driveway without a seatbelt, I can be fined - simply outrageous! Similarly, if I chose to ride a motorcycle, I would wear a helmet - but would resent the **** out of being required to do so. I cannot walk around with more than $10,000 of cash (which I think is generally a foolhardy thing to do) without worrying about being arrested for being a drug dealer and having my money seized. The whole concept of liberty is that I - and every other adult in our society - get to do whatever I want to do, just so long as it doesn't directly diminish the rights of others. For some reason, that very simple concept seems to bother the crap out of the lieberal fascists among us. Well, ****'em!

This law is the culmination of all of the progressive feel-good legislation (virtually all of which is either blatantly unconstitutional or incredibly contrary to the intent of the Founders) that we've been subjected to for literally the last 100 years. It pretty much started with the Federal Reserve, moved to the income tax, federal gun control (several iterations), most of the New Deal programs (many passed after FDR threatened the Supreme Court into irrelevance with his Court-packing scheme), the "War on (Some) Drugs" and lately the "War on Terror (and ornery Constitution freaks who have the gaul to think that they actually have rights)."

Let us hope and pray that the Supremes have the sense and the decency, to say nothing of the intellectual integrity, to repeal this abomination. If not, the Republic is over...and long live the Rebellion.

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Supreme Court supporting the constitution??? Oh my.

POLITICO Breaking News
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The conservative justices and potential swing vote Anthony Kennedy raised concerns Tuesday that forcing Americans to buy health insurance would open the door to other intrusive requirements from the federal government, such as making people buy cell phones, burial insurance and gym memberships. The Supreme Court has concluded the second day of oral arguments over President Barack Obama's landmark health law.

For more information... http://www.politico.com/

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From a year ago ... http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?single....

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Justice Kennedy ... the only man with potentially more power on this issue than Obama ...

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