HFT Gameplaying Derails BATS IPO Post-Hoc
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Posted 2012-03-25 11:33
by Karl Denninger
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HFT Gameplaying Derails BATS IPO Post-Hoc
 

Why is this crap allowed to go on again?

The potential for “uncoordinated and chaotic” trading after bad code corrupted its computers spurred Bats Global Markets Inc. (BATS), the third-biggest U.S. stock exchange operator, to scuttle its initial public offering, according to the company’s chief executive officer.

Potential?  Are you smoking something dear Sir?

I ask because there was nothing "potential about the halt in Apple that came from your exchange, nor in your own firm's trading for the short period it was available.  None of that looks like "potential" but rather it appears to be realized risk.

There is no chart available for the BATS trades, but they were truly wild, with some going off at a literal near-zero.  The stock was subsequently halted and never resumed, and now with the IPO retracted it won't be.

The real and unanwered question is why we permit this sort of banditry in the first place.  HFT is an abomination -- the claim is that it provides "liquidity" but I assert there is no such benefit at all.  Volume is not the same thing as liquidity -- if you and I pass 1,000 shares back and forth a dozen times there is not 12,000 shares of liquidity in the system -- there is only 1,000.  All we've managed to do via such an exercise is try to sucker someone into paying more (or less) than we did so we can unload the bag in the direction of movement before the hand goes up and someone says "uh, what sort of three-card monte are you running here?"

I suppose one can argue that advantages gained by being "first" are ok, but they don't translate into confidence in the markets.  Rather, they translate into beliefs that the common man is being hoodwinked and scammed, never a good perspective for the market to imbue into the common investor.  But that's what we've done.

Nanex has lead the charge on exposing the manipulated nature of the markets under the onslaught of this arms race.  They capture a lot of data, including that of the "nice" trading on BATS stock itself on the 23rd.

That's very nice.  Less than one second after the stock opened for trading the price had fallen to 28.48 cents from the opening print of $15.25.  Within 1.5 seconds it "sold" for 2/100ths of a cent, and 567 trades were executed before trading was halted, never to resume.

BATS claimed that there was some sort of software glitch that was active just that day.  But Nanex reports that AAPL had an identical incident on the BATS exchange (crossed market caused by an executed trade off a stuck quote) three days earlier. 

The amount of money that can be grabbed by less-than-scrupulous people using HFT algorithms that "notice" things such as this -- occurrences that you'll never notice with the naked eye but computers are very good at spotting -- is enormous.

The question is why regulators and the public continue to tolerate these obvious "erroneous" events.  There's always a loser for every winner in trades, and when you manage to exploit an anomaly like this a real person gets skinned while you make off with the loot.

We can argue over whether such activity is or should be legal all we want, but what can't be argued is that this sort of activity is consistent with the claims of an orderly and fair marketplace -- it is not.

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Mac
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I'm out of the market for what I assume will be the rest of my life. It's a rigged game and I see no way for me to win other than to not play. Any of the rest of you rash enough to be still invested there, I wish you the best of luck. I think you'd have better odds of beating the house if you were in Vegas playing roulette.
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Just my opinion, but they should not allow quotes or trades for less than a penny. Period. that might not fix it, but I think it would help.

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There should be strictly regulated exchanges and not all these hidden exchanges typically run by the banksters. All derivative contracts should be on exhchanges and have valid bids and offers.

The insanity of our current markets makes a Chinese casino look good. These guys are running this game with impunity because they know they won't be prosecuted. Too bad the media will never report it.............
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+1 Mac
+1 Shannonlk1

I like Karl's suggestion from months back. If I rememebr it correctly he wanted any offer to be good for 2 or 3 seconds before it could be pulled. I would go further and make it 10 seconds, that way anyone anywhere in the world would have time to look your offer over and make a quick decision. I would also go further and make the trading losses you can suffer because of a glitch in your software much larger, but that is just me.

Mostly I am out there with Mac, if you suckers want to get bent over that is your perogitive, it just is definitely not mine. I'm going to buy real estate or just sit in cash.

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Yep.

Get rid of the "instant cancel" crap and all this disappears. You put forward a quote it has to be valid for long enough that a HUMAN can see it and act on it. You can't cancel it until that much time has elapsed.

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So right now can I say, offer $1tn/share for AAPL but cancel it before it gets acted on? Seriously? If so, that's ripe for abuse and gives me a lot of ideas.

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The question is why regulators and the public continue to tolerate these obvious "erroneous" events



I haven't made a trade in roughly 2 years - used to be a few hundred per year. I've closed all my brokerage accounts (3 of them).

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Is it possible to see how long the bid or ask has been "alive" in TOS? If so then you could restrict your trades to use only bid/asks that are alive for a minimum of 10 seconds?
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Peter: No.

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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I think that's ridiculous, obviously the actual exchange knows or I am missing something?
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two questions:

first, how does one price an 'effective zero' ...? i mean, talk about the the transaction fees being infinitely higher than the cost of the underlying transaction!

second, and this is completely speculative, but what are the odds that the two pre-existing listing exchanges in the US, which enjoy a virtual monopoly over same, didn't have something to do with this? its not like they were all back-slappy-happy over the prospect of a competitor. i know, i know ... not at all fair of me to raise something like that without evidence. but it appears the big guys have set their own table in this respect.

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The Bible says "every man is a liar" because everyone on this stupid planet has been and will be "less than scrupulous" in certain situations under certain conditions. Which is why we are supposed to be a country "of laws and not men."

But not anymore. That ****'s been over for a long time. Hell, it's laughable. For pigmen, politicos and the electorate all alike, during prime time or fun time, it is always high time to LOOT.

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Quote:
Get rid of the "instant cancel" crap and all this disappears. You put forward a quote it has to be valid for long enough that a HUMAN can see it and act on it. You can't cancel it until that much time has elapsed.


A rule like this would eliminate quote-stuffing for firms who aren't actually trying to make money with some large subset of their orders. Firms that are trying to make money with all their orders will probably place just as many orders and transact with themselves when they see a need to cancel quickly. The fees would probably be less than the losses they expect much of the time.

Of course, I guess the rule isn't really meant to ruin the day of HFTs who aren't engaged in quote-stuffing.

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It's already illegal to cross your own orders Qt.

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