MFer Global: Clawbacks AND Handcuffs NOW!
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Posted 2012-03-24 13:08
by Karl Denninger
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MFer Global: Clawbacks AND Handcuffs NOW!
 

This ought to be over about now.

Jon S. Corzine, MF Global Holding Ltd. (MFGLQ)’s chief executive officer, gave “direct instructions” to transfer $200 million from a customer fund account to meet an overdraft in one of the brokerage’s JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM)accounts in London, according to an e-mail sent by a firm executive.

Edith O’Brien, a treasurer for the firm, said in an e-mail sent the afternoon of Oct. 28, three days before the company collapsed, that the transfer of the funds was “Per JC’s direct instructions,” according to a copy of a memo drafted by congressional investigators and obtained by Bloomberg News.

Where's the indictment?

Corzine is entitled to the presumption of innocence but the victims of this apparent scheme are entitled to justice.  Where is it?  Four+ months into this we now have prima-facie evidence that Corzine ordered a transfer from customer segregated funds to meet a margin call against the firm's proprietary trading.

If there's an argument that this sort of transfer would be lawful I'd love to see it. 

More to the point, if this sort of transfer is lawful then no person in this country can ever trade anything in a brokerage again until it is rendered unlawful and assurances are available that this conduct will result in long prison sentences and personal liability.

If you do then you are a rube, as your funds are simply there for the purpose of (legally) stealing them when, not if your brokerage finds itself underwater.

There's a further problem:

Barry Zubrow, JPMorgan’s chief risk officer, called Corzine to seek assurances that the funds belonged to MF Global and not customers. JPMorgan drafted a letter to be signed by O’Brien to ensure that MF Global was complying with rules requiring customers’ collateral to be segregated. The letter was never returned to JPMorgan, the memo said.

So JP Morgan suspected the funds were stolen and drafted a letter demanding a written assurance they were not.  They never got that assurance, which means they knew the funds were impaired.

This in turn means they effectively received stolen property and thus have destroyed any argument they might have in "good faith" reception of the funds, which in turn means that all of those funds must be immediately clawed back.

We're six months into this folks, and the customers of MFer Global still don't have their money.  But now we have not just the belief that the company knowingly took customer funds to satisfy a margin call on their proprietary positions, we have evidence they did so.

And we further have hard evidence that JP Morgan knew the funds were taken from customer segregated accounts and were not MF Global's to disburse.

If we do not see indictments and the clawback of those funds in the immediate future every American will have no choice but to consider the federal government to be nothing more than a bunch of felonious thugs -- from the Office of the President on down.

 

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Genesis wrote..
no choice but to consider the federal government to be nothing more than a bunch of felonious thugs


I see virtually NO evidence to the contrary, at this point.

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And what will happen JPM? You got it. Nothing

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Even if JPMorgan did not suspect the funds were MF customer funds, they should still be subject to clawback.

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^this

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"Even if JPMorgan did not suspect the funds were MF customer funds, they should still be subject to clawback. "

Exactly! Stolen goods are stolen goods; it does not matter whether or not the thief signs off on them not being stolen.

Barry Zubrow covered his azz, but JPM still has to give the money back...that's the minimum penalty for dealing in stolen merchandise whether you knew it was stolen or not.

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Debtpie, there you go assuming that the rules apply to these guys the same as they apply to you and me.
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Who is John Galt?

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I did not run for office to be helping out a bunch of fat cat bankers on Wall Street

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I don't see a whole lot of difference between Corzine directly ordering funds to be transferred and BoA transferring trillions of derivatives from Merrill Lynch to BoA, other than we have not seen the results yet. I mean, as far as accounting goes, it does not matter whether you remove assets or insert a future liability, the end result is the same.

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Why is Corzine untouchable? Does he know too much, or what? A peasant who gets caught smoking a joint goes to jail. Steal $200 million and you're Corzine, no problem... it's all good. smiley

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Here's where I'm having a disconnect with the whole origin of the money transfer. From what I've gathered from the articles and news stories, taking customer segregated funds is so obviously wrong and regulated that they could not reasonably hoped to get away with this. so then why bother? MF GLOBAL was going to into bankruptcy one way or another. Why didn't Corzine just tell JP Morgan to stuff it. the money ain't there. There's a level of desperation that goes beyond the obvious arrogance.

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Sadly, I am not aware of any legal tenets, passages or precedents addressing "Equal Enforcement of the Law."

Are there no watch-dog organizations that insist upon indictments and prosecutions of high profile criminals?

When exactly did Amerika fall back into the Feudal System?

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I see virtually NO evidence to the contrary, at this point.


Word, Truth.



I'll just leave this here. Funny how there really IS nothing new under the sun, just different actors performing the same pillaging across the centuries....

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The bigger question is, how did Barry Zubrow at JPMorgan know that the money was stolen? Had they no suspicions of MF Global's solvency there would have be no need to question ownership of the funds.

It sounds like Lehman Brothers all over again, where the whiteshoeboys had advanced warning.

This **** stinks to high heaven.

JPMorgan had advanced knowledge that Corzine was commingling funds.
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OK, I really *do* have to ask, being a partisan question posed in a non-partisan way....


Would Corzine be THIS untouchable if the Oval Office resident had an "R" next to his name, instead of a "D"?

I'll one-up that.... Were the positions reversed and the actors involved both considered "R's", I feel confident that the situation would have played out the EXACT same way.

For good measure, **** HOLDER and his worthless piece of **** boss. How the hell can we arrest and prosecute the Attorney General of the USA for dereliction of duty? Is it up to Congress? The Military? We're SO ****ed if it's the former, and the latter... well, as much as I hate the thought of a military coup because of the likelihood that after the event, we're at even odds (or worse) that the People will not be triumphant - I can't say "would get their government back" because we know that's currently a load of ****. We're slaves, serfs, plain and simple.

Please, for the love of this country and our beloved Constitution - it's time. Who in the military has the cojones to do what needs to be done?

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MF Global presents a big dilemma for Obama. Maybe he needs a etch a sketch too.
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If I were going to pick a group of people to screw over big time those ranchers and farmers would have been way far down my list. College professors and executives maybe. People less connected to nature and brutal reality.

edited to add: Only one thing left to do now to make their position clear - promote him. Maybe time for Turbo Timmy to have a breakdown and slip Corzine in?

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The bigger question is, how did Barry Zubrow at JPMorgan know that the money was stolen? Had they no suspicions of MF Global's solvency there would have be no need to question ownership of the funds.


MF Global had credit downgrades which may have forced them to post margin and could have affected their credit lines. Also MF was a publicly traded company and they may have been aware of their position to a degree enough to question how they got the money.

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Ranchers and farmers are the perfect people to screw. Not only are they self sufficient, they are rivals as they control the food supply. Ranchers and farmers are a group of rugged individuals. The system hates individuals, -rugged, much, much worse.

Like Lehman, the stock decline happened well in advance. I seem to recall it trading at $5 the week before and $1.50 when they blew.

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I think we're past the point of no return. Nothing will be done.

Hell, the "authorities" actually told the nation with a straight face that the money was VAPORIZED. I mean really, come on: "VAPORIZED" You can't be serious.

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Nothing to any mataerial degree will be done about this. Oh they may put up another small dog and pony show but nothing will be done about it. It's time to pull funds.

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Head on a stick. At the corner of Broad and Wall. As a reminder to those who steal seg funds.

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Why didn't Corzine just tell JP Morgan to stuff it. the money ain't there. There's a level of desperation that goes beyond the obvious arrogance.


Not desperation. Simple criminality. He paid off his pals with stolen money. So what if he gets 'caught?' What's happened to him? Nothing.

Even if he gets prison time, I'm sure Oblama will pardon him. Count on it. And at the end of the whole deal, guess who still will have a net worth that exceeds the sum total of 1000 randomly selected posters on these boards? If you said Corzine, you got it!

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Hope Gerald Celente got his money back. If not, then I look forward to the next vid.

Maybe again, I hope he didn't. :)

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