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Clintb350
Posts: 1453
Incept: 2008-01-19
Southern AZ
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Tyler Durden on the above wrote.. What is sad, is that even the general public is now increasingly more aware of these outright gimmicks by the Federal Reserve-Wall Street cartel, and refuses to participate in stock rallies premised on fraud and erroneous data interpretations, forcing the banks themselves to inflate their own asset values even higher in a coordinated incestuous circle jerk of intra-Primary Dealer stock purchases, resulting in an even greater disconnect with the underlying reality. Because at the end of the day, what it all boils down to, is simple cash flow. And that, despite all the Fed's mock tests and words of encouragement, in a world of perpetual contract law abatement, is lacking more than ever. After all, why pay for something today, when the administration itself tells you not to?
Alas, the relentless encroachment of socialism is something that not even the most naive and gullible 'stress test" can mask. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/feds-stres....Do we think the general public is truly more aware and refusing to participate in stock rallies? Do the low volumes indicate this? I, for one, haven't been participating - don't want to get caught in the massive market turn that has to come.
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Truthseeker
Posts: 8477
Incept: 2007-10-07
NorCal
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What people forget AT THEIR PERIL is the massive quantity of fetid, stinking junk stuffed into the recesses of balance sheets (and off-sheet fraud companies) globally. This only works until the cash flow stops. It is going to be colossally ugly when the music stops.
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"...But people better realize that the worst-case scenario could actually happen.9/11 happened. This can happen. An economic 9/11, the likes of which we've never seen." Gerald Celente
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Jonesapple10
Posts: 379
Incept: 2010-11-09
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Quote: ...lender disclosed that the loans on its books were worth $8.1 billion less than what its balance sheet said, as of Dec. 31. And where did they come up with the loans' values? its probably more like 10 billion less.
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Genesis
Posts: 130749
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Most of these loans are of a kind and quality that market prices are available.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Andysvw
Posts: 1745
Incept: 2010-06-26
Tujunga Ca
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Its an evil game of can you top this. The crimes these guys did pre 08 were pretty bad but pale compared to today. They have lost all perspective.
JMO This vary loss of perspective is a weakness.
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Blurtman
Posts: 563
Incept: 2009-01-24
Banned
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The banking system is an arm of the US government. They enact and cover up the USG's policy of debt fueled (apparent?) growth. If the real economy cannot sustain sufficient legitimate debt, no problem. With the USG's permission and urging, the banking system will create toxic debt, bundling debt that cannot be repaid into toxic securities that the rating agencies, acquiescing to the dictate of the entity that licenses them, rates as good as gold.
Of course the stress tests are bogus - it is kabuki theater. A bunch of self serving bureacrats whose compensation relies on repeating the Big Lie to each other.
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I have a reading comprehension problem and the owner banned me for repeatedly displaying it after being warned.
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Andyc
Posts: 333
Incept: 2010-10-24
Banned
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The shame is we are paying their salaries and bonuses too and they are allowing the scam to continue, the derivatives markets keep growing and they keep right on skimming phoney profits. http://www.jsmineset.com/2012/02/24/when...."2. Keep in mind the notional value of the total amount of OTC derivatives outstanding reported by the BIS was reduced by 50% about two years ago when the BIS changed their computer basis for valuation by considering all derivatives as going to closure as value to maturity. The actual total value of all outstanding OTC derivatives that was then carried for two reporting periods on the books of the BIS is one quadrillion, one hundred and forty four trillion US dollars notional value. This is fact. The $700 trillion US dollars that is quoted now has not changed since it was manufactured by a change in the method of accounting for notional value by reducing the number by approximately 50%." Ive never seen this 1,144 quadrillion print that Jim Sinclair mentions but I dont doubt it may have happened Imagine, hiding nearly a quadrillion in the accounting broom closet! It's as mind boggling as the numbers. The transactions are phoney and probably always have been yet these guys skim off a fortune a single pip or a fraction of a pip at a time on probably more than even these fantastic notional values as these contracts do get rolled over, traded, sold, bought again and what have you. When they fail the public around the world will be on the hook for it all, meantime these clowns will defect to Musswellbrooke. BIS's concocted data, the takeaway here to me is that even if you double the printed data, which it looks like we should, this is just the LOWEST known figure....the LOW BALL FIGURE!!....amazing.....yet these guys have been skimming tiny fractions of a penny on all of it http://www.bis.org/statistics/otcder/dt1....
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Marvinmartian
Posts: 751
Incept: 2011-03-16
Pasadena, CA
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Banks like Regions are still in business because the FDIC fund isn't large enough to shut them down and too many banks are too broke to prepay more into the fund.
I believe that the repeal of mark-to-market accounting was to let the system limp along in spite of real prices.
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Duc888
Posts: 7368
Incept: 2008-11-06
CT, the UNconstitution State
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Quote:The banking system is an arm of the US government. Correction, the US government is a folly, a front for the International Banking System. Who runs the show?
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...burp
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Onelegged
Posts: 267
Incept: 2009-11-13
NW Colorado
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Prompt Corrective Action and Mark to Market are both MIA. I don't look to either to return any time soon.
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The light at the end of this tunnel is a train.
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Randy123
Posts: 5785
Incept: 2008-09-24
Earth
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It's already inevitable as far as I can see Karl.
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China is the Enemy. Wake Up.
New Normal. Same As The Old Awful.
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Jwm_in_sb
Posts: 1041
Incept: 2009-04-16
California Desert
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Yes...bonuses based the skimming of phony derivatives and churning via hft . millions per trader in NY. WHAT value do they add to the economy?
Folks, its all about keeping these Ivy League *******s in bespoke, Bentley s and beach houses in the Hamptons . The Three Bs .....
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Savingsaretheway
Posts: 121
Incept: 2011-12-16
Online
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How much of the capital of the major US banks is based on questionable asset valuations?
It's an important question because we constantly hear in the financial media how the banks are far more capitalized than they were in 2008.
Also, how much of these MBS valuations are not just "made up", but are inflated by the volume of the paper held on the Fed's balance sheet?
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Resistance
Posts: 6162
Incept: 2008-09-26
Banned
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Fraudulent Fractional Reserve Banking at it's finest!
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"Why must political experiments always be in the direction of more government? Why not give the free market a county or even a state or two, and see what it can accomplish?"Murray Rothbard - The Fallacy of the Public Sector
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Bohemian
Posts: 9658
Incept: 2010-07-27
California
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"The politicians are put there to give you the idea you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice; you have owners. They own you. They own everything." - George Carlin
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Andyc
Posts: 333
Incept: 2010-10-24
Banned
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Then and now same old ****e The government is only now releasing the 1940 census http://news.yahoo.com/census-documenting....You have to ask yourself why the secrecy? My guess is they did not want anyone to see how bad things actually were during the depression I'm trying to find a link to the actual questionnaire,to see what the heck was in this thing they felt they needed to cover up for 70 years, if anyone finds it please post. Good of them to release this census from the last great depression just in time for the new one! Do they do this with every census?
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Drench
Posts: 28631
Incept: 2009-11-10
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And that's why it costs 1% to cash a Regions check at Regions.
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Winstonsmith2009
Posts: 1060
Incept: 2009-08-05
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While watching this ad during 60 Minutes last night, I couldn't help but think that _everything_ they're bashing Obama about in it applies 100% equally to Repugs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R_EuJbhb....Many of the people they point out occupying Obama cabinet posts came from the Bush era. And a Repug would have done exactly the same things Obama did and is doing with respect to TBTF banks and Wall Street since they're both owned by the same moneyed special interests. It's from this outfit, which apparently attacks only Dems: http://americanfuturefund.com/Yet another example of half of the story which, while being true as far as it goes, dupes the ignorant majority into voting for the other half of the corrupt, status-quo seeking duopoly representing only those financial "elites" who paid for their election campaigns. With even otherwise intelligent ads being so slanted and voters being bombarded with what amounts to blatant (to the informed) propaganda from billion dollar+ campaign funds and a lapdog media who loves that cash and acts as a government mouthpiece, any chance for essential changes in the way this country is governed is DOA and has been for decades.
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Leicestersq
Posts: 221
Incept: 2009-10-12
UK
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Oh look, more theft of client funds. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsb....Maybe they were emboldend by the top execs at MF global getting away with it. The FSA in the UK seem to have caught them at it, and taken some prompt action (at least I think it is prompt, maybe time will tell a different story but I will give the FSA the benefit of the doubt for now). It doesnt look good for the auditor Ernst and Young. Will there be prosecutions?
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Eaglewwit
Posts: 6054
Incept: 2007-11-30
SoCal
Banned
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Quote:I believe that the repeal of mark-to-market accounting was to let the system limp along in spite of real prices. Guess what, none of us thought it would work, but it did. Who knows if it will last, but I am starting to believe that math does not matter. Math is merely a economist tool, it is not dependent on it.
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Truthseeker
Posts: 8477
Incept: 2007-10-07
NorCal
Online
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Eaglewwit wrote..Math is merely a economist tool, it is not dependent on it. Believe that at your peril. The simple arithmetic is this: ALL debt will either be repaid or defaulted. That which cannot be paid, will, rest assured, default. You may have trouble estimating the time frame for said default, but it will occur. That much is certain.
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"...But people better realize that the worst-case scenario could actually happen.9/11 happened. This can happen. An economic 9/11, the likes of which we've never seen." Gerald Celente
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Eaglewwit
Posts: 6054
Incept: 2007-11-30
SoCal
Banned
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Truth, trust me it is very hard to for me to believe it. But based on what I have seen in the past 4 years I have to adjust my thought pattern.
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Truthseeker
Posts: 8477
Incept: 2007-10-07
NorCal
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I know it's hard to watch, but you have to be clear about what you're seeing. Governments lying about what "regulations" are being enforced, promulgating accounting fictions, hiding deteriorating debt everywhere do NOTHING about lessening that debt. And in fact, we've seen massive debt INCREASES since the "crisis" erupted.
Don't be fooled about how this will end. Math isn't negotiable, or subject to bankster whimsy.
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"...But people better realize that the worst-case scenario could actually happen.9/11 happened. This can happen. An economic 9/11, the likes of which we've never seen." Gerald Celente
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Billy_ray_v
Posts: 1039
Incept: 2010-10-08
east of the rockies
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I learned a lot as a lad,...watching UHF 29 out of Philly Wee Willy Weber had a musical chairs show before Spiderman at 14:oo or was it 17?
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When a country allows itself to be coerced,it has to suffer the consequences.
Reason: 17
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