I think there is some agreement then JS. You must remember that much of what America was supposed to be was already established in Britain through the Magna Charta and other documents. Much of what was in the 1774 petition to the King and Parliment was basic organic law of the land, which was being denied in the colonies. I think the same thing can be said for Santa Anna.

I would tend to believe the authoritarians would have a hard time in the USA once the FS was gone. There are too many unsubdued people in America for that to occur. Remember, this gig is going to go broke and in doing so, it is going to suck a lot of sources dry. He who has the gold will make the rule and I mean lots of it if we are looking at an authoritian group.

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Let's take one - mental illness. The state of PA mandates that every single insurance policy include 30 days of inpatient treatment for mental illness.

No wonder companies are starting to demand access to their employees' Facebook accounts. The state forces them to cover the cost of mental illness so they respond by trying to not hire people who will need treatment.

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Mann, right. Both conflicts erupted when a far-away cosmopolitan power changed the terms of governance over a population of Anglo Celts living on the periphery who had become touchy of their rights beginning with the Reformation.

In Britain's case, up until the French and Indian War, London had paid little mind to its New World dominions, which unlike Spain's, had coughed up very little ready specie. As evidenced by the fact that Britain failed to provide sufficient English money via loans to make the Pound the currency of its North American colonies. The currency in America became the Dollar, because the colonies' most lucrative hard-money trades were made in the Caribbean. But after English armies subdued Canada and England's elites began to survey what their Sovereign actually owned, that all changed. Via top-down taxes imposed by Parliament, sidestepping the colonial assemblies.

Bad idea.

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I would tend to believe the authoritarians would have a hard time in the USA once the FS was gone. There are too many unsubdued people in America for that to occur.

I used to believe that more than I do today, but I hope you're right.

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Remember, this gig is going to go broke and in doing so, it is going to suck a lot of sources dry. He who has the gold will make the rule and I mean lots of it if we are looking at an authoritian group.

People don't like to hear it, because it means Mao was right. But ultimately, in the real world, it's the people with the guns who make the rules. In which case it bears remembering that FSA stands for "Free **** Army," and unfortunately after the "Free ****" goes away, the operative word may be "Army."

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The state of PA mandates that every single insurance policy include 30 days of inpatient treatment for mental illness. Now, tell me why ? Then look at the mental hospital statistics - people who "check in" don't get out for ~30 days, no more no less.

If they were more like 'rest homes' than the Snake pit, that would be good news for my move to PA.

Jstanley01 wrote..

People don't like to hear it, because it means Mao was right. But ultimately, in the real world, it's the people with the guns who make the rules. In which case it bears remembering that FSA stands for "Free **** Army," and unfortunately after the "Free ****" goes away, the operative word may be "Army."

Which is where the 2nd Amendment comes in. Middle class American civilians are more heavily armed than most of the world's armies.

Any attempt to disarm us must be met with a "HELL NO!" That's the red line. If American civilians are ever disarmed, then gulags and death camps will follow as surely as the sun rises in the east.

Quads..."Are there any other medical services mandated by gov't to be included in healthcare insurance."

Tesla..."Thousands"

OK. Then the obvious question is why the sudden outrage over the Obama mandate when these mandates have been going on repeatedly for years? So it is not Obamacare per say that is the problem but big gov't intrusion under both parties.

The way to counteract this kind of intrusion is for employers to only offer policies with large deductibles and large out-of-pocket minimums. That way the small stuff (like contraceptives) rarely get paid by the insurance company.

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The way to counteract this kind of intrusion is for employers to only offer policies with large deductibles and large out-of-pocket minimums.

Under Obamacare, that will not be allowed. Got any other ideas ? Obamacare closes all the doors and forces you to pay for what THEY want you to have.

Subsequent of pressing "REPLY in Market-Ticker" I will delete Market-Tikcer from my favorite.

I see parallels between Rush and Carl. Both are arrogant and think that they are right without any reservation. Your ticker "Limbaugh is right folks" was so stupid beyond any reservation.

Everybody on this forum has a tad bit of arrogance in them. "WAWAWA" (or is that WAAA WAAA?) has the right to not visit TF anymore. I have a right to not have to be forced pay for other peoples pills. I paid for my own BC pills for years. They were never covered by any of my insurance policies, even back in the days of "Cadillac" coverage.
They won't stop population explosions because no one takes them correctly. They are a terrible application for cysts, because they cause them. Taking them for any length of time messes up your hormone balance so bad that there is no escaping PMS. Women have been sold a bill of goods by big Pharma and the side effects and long term consequences just cause additional medical care. I am dealing with that, at mostly my own expense now. Natural hormone replacement therapy to rebalance my system is expensive and insurance covers very little of it.
Fraudster is right, we are so doomed but we so deserve it.

Wawawa

I don't know what has your panties in a bunch as I haven't read all the posts on this thread or the other but

IF we still live in a REPUBLIC then .Gov can not make ANYONE DO ANYTHING therefore this argument about having anyone supply Insurance or BC to anyone is a mute point.

Karl, I don't know why you waste your time on these purposely planted distractions

I tried to resist Vegas..... and for a few days, I did.

But the stupid, it burns....

Karl

I know honey

Is it really a distraction to have a conversation about what the state should be able to do, and the premises underlying that power?

Low: No.

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Is it really a distraction to have a conversation about what the state should be able to do, and the premises underlying that power?

This is what the status quo wants you to believe while it slowly encroaches ever more into your life.

Geschrei wrote..

And, apparently, a majority of the US citizenry regards Ms. Fluke as being on the 'right side' of this issue.

This nation is doomed to epic failure. It's only a matter of time.

Just chillin', enjoying the show...

Genesis wrote..

But the stupid, it burns....

Yes, brightly and hot:

I was told that the birth control plan I use (keeping my zipper up) was outdated. Some people want the government to do everything. Where is the personal responsibility?

FWIW, a lobotomy used to cost about $300. pretty fair chunk in the 60's when it was last practised with regularity. Who paid? Why, the lobotomee in most cases. Insurance, if there was any, didn't cover a hack wiggling an ice pick around your frontal lobes IIRC. That didn't stop people from lining up and the good Dr. Freeman would grandstand and perform a lobotomy with each hand on a different patient simultaneously.

To be fair the state paid Freeman direct for many lobotomies but I'm sure the good Dr. had a bulk discount plan.

So, now the question is...why do so many Americans act as though the good Dr. icepicked their frontal lobes into jello? That my friends, is the definitive question.

Tesla..."Under Obamacare, that (high deductible/high OOP plans) will not be allowed. Got any other ideas ? Obamacare closes all the doors and forces you to pay for what THEY want you to have."

I didn't know that. When will these plans be outlawed? That is the kind of plan I have now. I thought under Obamacare you could keep your existing plan.

I believe the cutoff date is 2014. http://www.cobrahealth.com/Catastrophic-....

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I thought under Obamacare you could keep your existing plan.

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Where is the personal responsibility?

Gone. They used to call it "abstinence".

Went out of fashion years ago.

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I thought under Obamacare you could keep your existing plan.

Sure you can. Right up until your insurance company goes out of business, or bails out of the health insurance market.

After that, the government will be your only option.

If whatever Republi-turd gets the nomination beats Obama, I'll bet a sawbuck of smackaroos that he does not repeal ObamaCare. The bet holding even if the Pachyderm Skittle-****ters win both houses of CONgress. The bet being off only if The Supremes nullify the individual mandate.

PM me and we can discuss who holds the CIF. I'm as serious as a heart attack.