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She is wanting the public to pay her because she wants to have sex.

I missed the part where she said anything in her speech about wanting the public to pay for contraception for birth-control purposes.

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Proof. Shes already documented as lying about costs.

Was she lying about costs, or saying that contraception over the 3 years of law school could cost as much as $3,000?

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Heh how do I get the free booze?

ROFL

Any woman who lets the guy buy the condoms is an idiot. Quality control, folks. There are guys out there who actually *want* to get you pregnant.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_v....

As the Catholic Church sees all unnatural forms of birth control as sinful, it is doubtful that the Georgetown U. student health clinic has free condoms for all.

Limbaugh's argument - that the Georgetown U. should not have to pay for health insurance that provides services it does not wish to support is a straw man. Under the new health care law, all insurers must provide free birth control to all enrollees. Now, the church may object to such a law - and has, on moral grounds. It is also my understanding that the lifetime cost of birth control is dwarfed by the medical cost (to the insurance company) of a single pregnancy and birth. It would appear, that based on actuarial-type data, health insurance companies should be crying about this requirement - all the way to the bank!

Limbaugh has the audacity to defame an American citizen, who, following her rights, gave testimony to a Congressional committee. And you are defending him?! You present strong missives about what "personal freedom" means. Then, when an individual applies that freedom and for so doing is defamed, you rush to defend the defamer?! Look, I accept as a reasonable Libertarian position that coercing others to pay for anything diminishes their freedoms and by forcing all insurance companies to provide free contraception is an affront to freedom. However, long ago this nation accepted certain limitations on individual freedom to protect the public weal. One is not free to yell "Fire!", in a crowded theater because panic would ensue and others may be hurt. Perhaps this edict (government mandated free contraception) is a step too far - a legitimate question for argument - but this young woman was defamed over thousands of radio stations around the globe. Limbaugh is free to make an argument along these lines. No one is free to defame others. Frankly, I pray she sues the bastard - and wins.

I have no stomach for her or Limbaugh's kind. However Limbaugh is nothing more than a radio entertainer. He'll say anything for another $400 million contract. The more advertisers he loses over this the better off we will all be.

He is so much a part/symptom what is wrong with this country it makes my head swim.

"But after listening to, and looking over the transcript of her speech, I didn't notice her asking for coverage for anyone's sexual escapades but rather she spoke of women who needed contraceptives for other issues, such as PCOS."

I think this is the nut of the problem. The real issue is much broader tha cantraception, but that's the hill some are willing to die on. Why should insurance be covering ANYTHING that is (a) as predictable an expense as food and (b) costs $20 per month? That's what makes insurance so outrageously expensive to begin with! While we're at it, why shouldn't insurance also pay for toothpaste and toothbrush, since brushing prevents tooth decay that can lead to some heart issues? Why then shouldn't insurance pay for a construction worker's hard hat to prevent greater losses from head injury? Maybe insurance should pick up the cost of a student's winter coat since that staves off pneumonia? And pay for a service to replace filters in our homes in order to prevent cronic allergy issues and athsma attacks?

Contraceptives for students via insurance is really new clerical jobs added to insurance companies.

The real, sad issue here is the wilting self esteen of young women who either can't refuse a guy who won't spring for the condom or is afraid that she can't keep her guy when so many other girls on campus won't require condoms. Many more students will score the pill for contraception than to ease medical issues such as ovarian cysts if this goes through, and I'm afraid of a resultant wave of unprotected sex leading to an increase in all sorts of diseases that only increase cost and suffering. Women need to stand up to their men, and women activists need not be teaching that Congress has the cure for what ails 'em.

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Any woman who lets the guy buy the condoms is an idiot. Quality control, folks. There are guys out there who actually *want* to get you pregnant.

That kind of deceit goes both ways. There are women out there who want to get pregnant regardless of the guy's wishes as well.

I would not go as far as calling her a slut, but she sure puts the TROL in birth control. I recommend she perform sexual acts that have a 0% chance of causing fertilization if she can't afford any contraception.

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However, long ago this nation accepted certain limitations on individual freedom to protect the public weal. One is not free to yell "Fire!", in a crowded theater because panic would ensue and others may be hurt.

This is not true. The case in question was reversed by a later decision, Brandenburg v Ohio. You can, in fact, yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater, even if the results are unpleasant to you.

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Look, I accept as a reasonable Libertarian position that coercing others to pay for anything diminishes their freedoms

You should have stopped there. Forcing me to pay for health insurance, which existed far before Obamacare, is the affront to my freedom, every little nitpick rule about what form that health insurance takes is just a diversion from the real offense.

For PCOS and other diseases that hormones are used to treat, there should be no question of insurance coverage.

THAT seems to be a problem with the system and if ALL hormone BC is covered for any reason, then it would not have been denied.

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too broke to **** in the first place

Thank you, thank you for the great one-liner. I love to read good material that has the occasional one-liner embedded, it makes the material more memorable.

Great post all the way through.

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PCOS can also be largely controlled by diet. Avoid sugar and simple carbs and for many the symptoms go away.
Unfortunately a healthy diet isn't the North American way...

Is there a trade?

Every day, hour and post spent on this non-issue is less publicity on these scumbags looting this nation and further digging us into oblivion.

John

If the truth is she is a rat, nobody can hear it because Limbaugh's boorishness is speaking so loudly.

At his age, you would've though he would know that lesson.

dont like the cost of birth control?

BEND OVER AND TAKE IT IN THE ASS, JUST LIKE YOU WANT TO FORCE OTHERS TO DO.

**** this *****

If you can solicit/obligate the 'government' to keep you from having a child what right do you have to complain when the government forces you to have a child?

I prefer not to dance with the devil. I find it amazing how easily these types of people give up personal responsibility. Its just 2 sides on the same coin.

Lowbeyond,

That's too funny, Limbaugh should have used that line. Hey, maybe you go that route with her and your find Obamas real birth certificate.

JM

Quimby gets it right. I would rather pay for birth control than welfare for the unwanted kids. Cost benefit analysis. So I'm all for the free birth control pill vending machine in Food Lion.

How is the birth control going to be free. If its a group plan she's paying for they will raise all females premiums to reflect the cost. If her employer is paying for it it will be reflected in the premium the employer pays. And thus when her pay is negotiated she will be offered less. Most every employer knows his all in employment costs.

There ain't no magical unicorn that's gonna **** out insurance benefits.

Why should I/We/You have to pay for ANY health care?

Right. Nobody should have to pay. Paying is bad, so

1. Fight hard to eliminate the most expensive least justifiable expense
2. Fight to eliminate the NEXT most exensive least justifiable expense
3. Etc
4. Fight to eliminate the last, least costly expense
5. Fight to eliminate those measures that reduce costs, all other costs having been eliminated

That would be the LOGICAL approach to "Why should anyone have to pay for this?"

Instead, there are strong complaints about what is possibly the cheapest cost-CUTTING measure. Objections are along the lines of "Why should I have to subsidize her sluttiness?"

Right, and paying to suppot 5 kids had out of wedlock isn't subsidizing "sluttiness" is it"

Oh yeah, in effect it is, it just costs A LOT more.

What is it really about then? Some people see sexual restraint as good and sexual activity as bad... certainly in a woman, bad. In that system, a baby is the "punishnent" of "bad" behavior. The idea of shelling out even a tiny amount is objectionable because you'd be "taking away" the just "consequences" of their actions, allowing them to live "unresponsibly". (ie doing something we disapprove of)

While there are other arguments, I suspect this is where the majoriy of the objections come from.

Choosing between Rush and her is like choosing between the candidates. Which stinks worse? Have to go with none of the above.

Utter crap.

INTENTIONAL acts are not insurable. Call your insurance company and tell them you intend to light your house on fire and want to know exactly how much you'll get for doing it. I'm interested in how much your bail is.

This is not "insurance." It is forcing those who do not want to buy a given thing to pay for it, either for themselves or someone else, literally at gunpoint. It is theft, it is wrong, it is under virtually any other circumstance a felony and I'm done with those who argue that you have the right to reach into my pocket and force me to pay for your intentional and entirely-volitional actions.

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Designer condoms and special toys, special outfits and possibly recreational drugs. Many guys fervently INSIST (and even try to trick) that the woman gets direct "spoo" - I could see $3K to make sure it's properly covered with at least two plus another form of birth control to protect from both diseases and pregnancy and some nice music... he he he!

Wow, a feminist lying and wanting other people to subsidize her lifestyle. Next you'll try to tell me the sun sets in the West or something.