Doesn't seem to be going anywhere as of now...

Did anyone really expect it to go anywhere? Did you really think your vote matters.

It will never go anywhere, because, there is no one in any elected office (with the noted exception of Arapio) who will admit that the system is completely broken, that it was deliberately broken & that it is corrupt all the way to the core.

Well, yeah... the last several years have really solidified my understanding that the government is just a front for a systemic looting operation that they're willing to do anything to keep perpetuating.

I somehow accidentally became a member of TF, not really sure how that happened. I believe Obama is a citizen and that the economy is really improving /sarc
CYA. It's coming.

put your congressman in the hot seat.

I sent this to mine...

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Subject: Sheriff Joe Arpaio

what is your opinion of the evidence presented at the sheriff's press conference on March 1?

is it worthy of a Congressional investigation?

http://www.westernjournalism.com/sheriff....

I understand that this is a delicate issue for you, but maybe it's time to take bold action.

thank you for your consideration.
>

the response I expect, if any, is that it's time to move on now and concentrate on the election removing him from office at the ballot box.

Thanks, Rube ...

In addition, I told my rep thet now that it was after March 1, he could indefintely detain me without representation if he so desired ... because of HIS vote NDAA.

Acually, when you come to think about it, there is probably not more than he'd rather do.

The system is rigged. We have no voice.

I believe these are 'new' details on the CT SSN ... but I could be off ...
received via email without a link

CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS? NOW THAT IT'S DOCUMENTED, WILL ANY ONE OFFICIALLY CARE?

Stolen SSN# 042-68-4425

An intensive investigation has revealed the identity of the man whose
Social Security Number (SSN) is being used by President Obama:

Jean Paul Ludwig, who was born in France in 1890, immigrated to the
United States in 1924, and was assigned SSN 042-68-4425 (Obama's
current SSN who received it around March 1977).

Ludwig lived most of his adult life in Connecticut. Because of that,
his SSN begins with the digits 042, which are among only a select few
reserved for Connecticut residents.

Obama never lived or worked in that state. Therefore, there is no
reason on earth for his SSN to start with the digits 042. None
whatsoever!

Now comes the best part! Ludwig spent the final months of his life in
Hawaii, where he died.

Conveniently, Obama's grandmother, Madelyn Payne Dunham, worked
part-time in the Probate Office in the Honolulu Hawaii Courthouse, and
therefore had access to the SSNs of deceased individuals.

The Social Security Administration was never informed of Ludwig's
death, and because he never received Social Security benefits there
were no benefits to stop and therefore, no questions were ever raised.

The suspicion, of course, is that Dunham, knowing her grandson was
not a U.S. Citizen, either because he was born in Kenya or became a
citizen of Indonesia upon his adoption by Lolo Soetoro simply scoured
the probate records until she found someone who died who was not
receiving Social Security benefits, and selected Mr.Ludwigs
Connecticut SSN for Obama.

Just wait until Trump gets past the birth certificate and onto the
issue of Barry O's use of a stolen SSN. You will see leftist heads
exploding, because they will have no way of defending Obama.

Although many Americans do not understand the meaning of the term
"natural born" there are few who do not understand that if you are
using someone else's SSN it is a clear indication of fraud.

Google it, and it's a mixed bag. Snopes says, "No. Obama is a natural born citizen."

From http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.....

Quote:

Susan Daniels: SNOPES is right. Obama is not using Jean Paul Ludwig’s CT social security number. He is using someone else’s. And in their delight in denouncing the use of Ludwig’s, they include a new addition to the Social Security Administration’s website that says a person does not have to live in the state for which the number has been set aside. That was never written there before Obama’s fraudulent use of his number was challenged.

Attached in the current information at SSA for filing for a number is the following. “NOTE: If you are age 12 or older and have never received a Social Security number, you must apply in person.”

Obama allegedly got his CT number of 042-68-4425 in March ’77, which can be proven since the person before him -4424 and after him -4429 both got theirs then.

Next is: “Show an address where you can receive you card 7 to 14 days from now” and a web address “to find the Social Security office or Social Security Card Center that serves your area.” Is there a single rational person in this country who believes a fifteen year old flew from HI to CT to get a social security number when he could have gotten his there?

Later this month they are going to start issuing the cards randomly. I think to prevent exactly what happened with Obama and his phony number. They were never randomly assigned before.

For him to have a CT number, there has to be at the SSA a form SS-5 that is hand-written (like the other numbers around his) and has a CT address where he was living. It doesn’t exist. Now that we have seen the phony “birth certificate,” let’s see the phony SS-5.

The other documents, which are self-explanatory, are a compilation of those I have found and some that were sent to me. The important documents included his falsified Selective Service application and the Selective Service Verification, which is a government run site. Of course, you won’t be able to pull up Obama’s because they shut his down — but not until after I printed it. You will find on it the last four numbers of his CT SSN. You can test its accuracy if you were in the military. Google Selective Service Verification, input the required information and watch yours Selective Service information pop up. -Private Investigator Susan Daniels

Snopes has a spotty record when political issues are at risk.

I do not view Snopes position as being definitive on anything related to US politics.

Snopes also updated the birth certificate forgery on 2/13/2012. It used a "adobe expert" who wrote about it on 4/11:

Quote:

But a leading software expert says there’s no doubt about its authenticity, and he dismisses claims of fraud as flat-out wrong.

The doubters have latched onto the idea that Adobe Illustrator — the premier program for computer graphic artists — “reveals” evidence of document manipulation in the Obama birth certificate. They note Illustrator reveals nine separate layers of the document, and claim it’s “proof” the file has been altered.

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Obama Birth Certificate Moved to More Secure Location Months Ago

But that’s not so, says Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator.

“You should not be so suspicious about this,” Tremblay told FoxNews.com, dismissing the allegations.

He said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

Tremblay explained that the scanner optical character recognition (OCR) software attempts to translate characters or words in a photograph into text. He said the layers cited by the doubters shows that software at work – and nothing more.

“When you open it in Illustrator it looks like layers, but it doesn’t look like someone built it from scratch. If someone made a fake it wouldn’t look like this,” he said.“Some scanning software is trying to separate the background and the text and splitting element into layers and parts of layers.”

Tremblay also said that during the scanning process, instances where the software was unable to separate text fully from background led to the creation of a separate layer within the document. This could be places where a signature runs over the line of background, or typed characters touch the internal border of the document.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/....]

Quote:

Tremblay explained that the scanner optical character recognition (OCR) software attempts to translate characters or words in a photograph into text. He said the layers cited by the doubters shows that software at work – and nothing more.

Except that in EVERY case where OCR software is in fact "at work" you wind up with VECTOR layers which contain the letters and fonts it "guesstimated" were in the document.

There aren't any.

In fact, you can take the existing WH BC document and run OCR software over it. It WILL find said text and map it, creating those vector paths and now suddenly you CAN search for (and even edit!) text in it.

Oops.

Like an earlier poster I have lurked on MT for some years and just signed up. I think that is irrelevant but there it is.

I just spent some time reading the Constitution regarding Presidential qualifications. Then I went to several sources which discussed interpretations of what the Founders/authors of the Constitution intended in their language and then I read up on US court decisions on what the Constitution actually "intends" (what the Law is so to speak). The point being what does the phrase "Natural Born Citizen" mean.

The official answer is a person IS a "natural born citizen" if they are born in the US (it matters not in the slightest if their parents were not US citizens) or if they are a child of a US citizen.

Readers might find this data interesting.

Candidates for President who were not born in the US or not born to US parents:

Chester A. Arthur 21st US President (believed to be born in Canada) US parents

Chistopher Schurmann German parents but born in US

Charles Evans Hughes British parents but born in US (barely lost to Woodrow Wilson)

Barry Goldwater born in AZ before it was a state (issue in campaign but of course the same could be said about Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, etc not having been born in a State)

George Romney born in Mexico US parents

Lowell Weicker born in France US parents

John McCain born in Panama US parents

Barak Obama born in Hawaii (or Kenya if you like) US parent (mother)

Note that by the official (Constitutional) definition Obama is a "natural born citizen".

Chester Arthur intentionally concealed his heritage until he was well out of office. Using him as a precedent is actually worse (by far) than omitting him.

Also note that McCain had a specific Congressional bill associated with his candidacy on this point.

Caution is advised when running bull**** on my Ticker threads.

Wyoming

Assume all you say is true. Then why the cover-up with the forged BC?

Not to mention.... Because an unlawful thing happened in the past, it's ok to do so again?

What a load of ****.

Agree Frat!
It's disgusting when past incidences of law-breaking is used as an excuse for current law-breaking

You know the biggest obstacle here? It is such a huge crime that nobody thinks anyone would dare attempt it. Think about it. Someone may have used fraudulent documents to get elected to the highest office in the land and nobody caught it? It sounds crazy doesn't it? And most rational people are understandably reluctant to believe such a thing could EVER happen, let alone happen in modern times.

And yet the evidence is compelling....even convincing in my opinion. And nobody has a valid or believable response to the evidence.

Hell, even I was skeptical of all the birther stuff in the beginning. And I still am not convinced of where he was actually born, so I don't believe the evidence so far proves he was NOT born in Hawaii. But it definitely possible.

But that birth certificate is a ****ing fake. I can't get past that.

UHhh, Hey Wyoming,...did you just cut and paste the wikipedia version of that because it reads exactly the same and the same sequence of people as well.

You beat me to it.

He picked the wrong site. If he is what I think he is.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/201....

Oh, unattributed bull**** claimed as your own eh?

Uh, might want to answer that Wyo, as otherwise....

The absolutely most damning piece of the puzzle to me is the Selective Service info. It's very evident that is a forgery. **** you could pick any eighth grader and they could do a better job.

What does this show us? He most likely didn't file with selective service. Why not? He may have very well considered himself exempt or something - I don't know. But the fact that he didn't file and then presented this as proof he did is enough to me to impeach him.

I can't believe that the Dems will run him again. I would guess that they might very well be huddled in a back room looking for an alternative candidate. Most would suggest Hillary, but since she was pushed aside last time in favour of BHO I think she might not be their choice today either.

Maybe Jay Nixon of Missouri or Martin OMalley of Maryland???

TMD, I can't believe the Dems *wouldn't/won't* run him again.

I think the Dems would regard a candidate switch as an absolutely impossible to overcome piece of local (to the party, to the cause) treason.

0bama's done right around 100 fundraisers, I believe I heard. They gonna throw that away? Color me infinitely skeptical of them switching candidates.

If I have learned one thing from TF, it is that the laws are not being enforced for those in power...Why should Obummer be any different?

When that is understood, you will have an easier time when nothing happens in regard to the Birth Cert, Selective Service info, Social Security numbers, and may other laws that may have been broken.