The Medical System's BS On Statins Is Unraveling
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Posted 2012-02-28 16:46
by Karl Denninger
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The Medical System's BS On Statins Is Unraveling
 

A few people I've corresponded with, including one stock pumper who called me the other day with a "hot tip", ought to read this. 

Carefully.

See, that caller was talking about a tiny little biotech that had come up with what amounted to a combination therapy combining a statin with ordinary (and unpatentable) compounds.  He was convinced the world would be changed (and I'd get rich if I listened to him.)

My response to him was that it was far more likely that ultimately statins would be banned as damned dangerous, or at least wind up with a black-label warning.

Well, we didn't get the second here, but this isn't good news for the statin makers, or those who have been taking them.

The Food and Drug Administration on Tuesday raised safety concerns about the popular class of cholesterol-fighting drugs called statins, warning that patients taking the drugs may face a "small increased risk" of higher blood sugar levels and of being diagnosed with diabetes.

The federal safety agency said Tuesday it plans to add the diabetes-risk language to the "warnings and precautions" sections of labeling for the statin drugs. The drugs that will get the warning include top-selling brand names such as Lipitor, Lescol, Pravachol, Crestor, Mevacor, Altoprev, Livalo and Zocor. Under these and a range of generic names, the drugs have been taken for years by tens of millions of people to prevent heart attack, stroke and cardiovascular disease.

Yeah, right.  What statins do is lower cholesterol.  That much is pretty-well accepted as scientific fact.  But the link between cholesterol and heart disease, stroke and similar is not particularly well-established.  Correlation is not causation folks, and there are more and more cardiologists and others who are becoming convinced that the problem is inflammation, not cholesterol.

See, cholesterol is essential to life.  If you were to get rid of it in your body you'd die -- with certainty, as it is necessary to establish cell membranes in mammals, not to mention being required for bile acids (without which you cannot digest food!), sex hormones (testosterone, progesterone and estrogen) along with being an essential part of the myelin -- the neural sheath essential for nerve conduction. 

It is also manufactured in the liver by the body.

There's a whole host of folks who want to argue that cholesterol causes strokes, heart attacks and cardiovascular disease, because abnormal amounts of it are often found plugging things up.  The argument thus goes that decreasing the amount of cholesterol in the body is "good." 

It's amazing how the presence of a given thing turns into causation without proof, when in fact what you may well have is cholesterol becoming adhered to damaged tissue instead.  And if that's the case then lowering cholesterol, without doing anything else, is treating symptoms rather than causes and what's worse is that a lower cholesterol level or the drug itself might do harm to other parts of the body -- like, it appears, possibly the insulin response mechanism.

This wouldn't be the first time that making money selling exotic and expensive drugs was more important than health, you know. 

In any event the facts are not in on this subject by any means.  What we are learning, however, is that the drugs intended to change cholesterol balance and prevalence in the body are dangerous, exactly as I expected.  Whether that risk is worth the potential reward, especially if we're barking up the wrong tree, is an entirely different caliber of question than what is typically presented to patients.

In any event if you're taking these drugs you now have something new to worry about. 

Damage to the body's insulin response is serious stuff and not to be ignored or poo-pooed away.

This much I'll tell you with certainly:  That crap isn't going down my pie-hole under any set of circumstances.

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Im0077
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http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/statins....

Check out the risks . . . just as Karl has pointed out.
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Why would anyone use statins with all their side effects when they could just eat a couple bananas every day and get the benefits of lower blood pressure without the diabetes?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/264552....
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My doctor prescribes them every time I go see him and I never buy them. I think the best way for me to stay healthy is to eat right, exercise and not see my doctor. They also want me to have a camera stuck up my ass. Not sure about that either.

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Virtually every male I know older than 35 takes these things. Virtually all.
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I suspect the effect is on the liver, as this is the organ targeted by the drug.

Everything would be explained if an additional impact on liver is to create insulin resistance in that organ.

This means the liver would no longer store glucose as glycogen the way its supposed to.
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Absolutely criminal. It is amazing what the anti-fat, anti-cholesterol lobby has accomplished. They get everyone to quit eating healthy foods, get them addicted to expensive drugs, cause diabetes and god only knows what other diseases and then, to top it all off, they get these diabetes-striken fat people eating a "healthy" diet to criticize me when I eat a steak for dinner. God help us all.

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Lipitor just came off patent - probably not a coincidence that this FDA warning comes now rather than earlier

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My DH took Lipitor for several years. I was finally able to convince him to stop. He's been Lipitor-free for about 3 years now. We're convinced he lost muscle mass from taking this drug.

A number of books have been written on the consequences/dangers of taking statin drugs. I'm afraid to read them.
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Virtually the entire pharmaceutical industry is a criminal racket.

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Create the disease and offer the cure:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martha-ros....

If you watch the network evening news regularly, you'll surely be convinced there's something wrong with you. And I'm just talking about the commercials.

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How many know that taking "Flomax" will cause you a bit of a problem when it's time to get some eye surgery (ie, cataracts) done? I learned about it as my dad was getting cataract surgery done, and they did need to take special precautions. I've added flomax to the list of things I'll never take.

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*raises hand*

My dad said his eye surgeon was flat-out pissed when he found out (rather last-minute) that he was taking Flomax. The surgery went off as scheduled though and everything turned out ok.
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I remember a while back someone had suggested that everyone should be taking Statins. We go from one extreme to another. I have been taking them for a number of years and I have had some concerns but after talking with my Dr. decided to continue taking them.

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There is a book called Statins Thief of Memory http://www.amazon.com/Lipitor-Thief-Memo.... written by my father's friend (MD). He recommends reducing bad cholesterol by using a collection of supplements, but the big one is Niacin. Cheap and very effective...just buy non-flushing or you'll regret it.
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BTW, on the Flomax topic, it really helps with passing a kidney stone, trust me.
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I know of two people that were on Lipitor that died of liver failure after 6 months (no previous history).

My uncle was prescribed the stuff even though his cholesterol levels were only slightly elevated. He felt like crap on it. I said "WTF? Both of your parents lived to 94 and never heard of the stuff. They both had slightly elevated levels too.

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In a world where the 'progressives' believe people are 'useless eaters', do you really think they want a majority of the population to live to be 100 or more?

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had surgery for heart diseasee at 42 been on lipitor since
never have liked it but my natural cholesterol count was always high.
got diabetes now but my thought was caused by drugs treating R.A. .tried living a vegetarian lifestyle with no junk food. but not strong enough.
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I just had a conversation with my (Type I diabetic and pro-Obamacare) sister-in-law a couple of days ago where she was talking about how people shouldn't be judgmental about what diabetics eat. After all, she can just input the number of grams of carbs into her insulin pump and then she's all good, so what's the problem?

I'm not Catholic, but I gave up on my inner ******* for Lent (it needed a vacation as it was terribly overworked). So I just sat there, practicing my poker face.
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Statins and other pharmaceuticals are*****ed into the sewer by their users and pass through the water treatment plants because they are not removed during modern reclamation methods. These pharmaceuticals then wind up back in our drinking water. So we are constantly dosed with small amounts of statin, serotonin reuptake inhibitor (i.e. Prozac), and hormone (i.e. birth control pills) pharmaceuticals.

It may sound nuts, but those are facts. That is the main reason why I purify my tap water with a 2-stage system.

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Without Lipitor my cholesterol is almost 300. Been like that since my early 20's. My mom is 82 and hers is also about 280 and she cannot tolerate any statins. A few years back I started getting high blood pressure all of a sudden and the doc put me on Lisinopril. Hmmm

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High blood pressure meds will lower your blood pressure, but they have never been proven to reduce your risk of heart attack. Ask the doc about that next time you see him/her.
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Something I use is a supplement called Cardio FX from this guy:

http://thepeopleschemist.com/cardio-fx/

This is the guy who's been telling me statins are bad. He use to be a chemist for the pharma industry. Now strongly suggests that you use only natural ingredients.

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**** high cholesterol - it dont mean ****.

The cause of arteriosclerosis is low grade infection over an exteneded period - real bad teeth, ulcers, bad acne, etc.

Everyone that I know with heart problems had one of the above.

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