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Genesis
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Yes and no. NoScript and similar things stop ALL Scripts.

There's nothing wrong with first-party scripts though and you might want them. That's the thing with the TPL file -- it stops only THIRD PARTY calls.

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Pretty sure that Microsoft is misreading the spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/P3P11/#ua_compact

Google's P3P response should result in IE blocking the cookies or asking the user what to do.

ETA: Microsoft's post on the matter with the technical details: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2012/....

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Houstonfalcon
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Five minutes and had it working on IE9 too. But I do like what DoNotTrack does on Firefox.

Once this goes viral, this will be extremely difficult for Google to handle. Shooting yourself in the foot only causes more problems. Google just did this to themselves.

I would be very surprised if the per share price of Google does not do a swan dive.
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I have to use Chrome. For some reason my computer will not open PDF files on IE. And since my online bank statements are PDF files, I got to have Chrome. So I guess I'll not be trying that one click wonder. :-(

Stpaulmercantile
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Perhaps this explains why my Adsense revenue has gone down by 50% in the last several weeks.
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It's always nice to see your overloads stop kicking you and start punching each other.

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Cbxer55, no, you don't "have to" use Chrome. At a bare minimum, you can download the PDFs as the files they are intended to be, and open them from your hard drive using a PDF reader. (I recommend the Foxit reader, from foxitsoftware.com, rather than Adobe's perpetually buggy offering.)

You don't "have to" use any offensive service or product, and the good news is that you usually don't have to abstain either, due to other competitors.
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I have Firefox, Safari and IE9 loaded here.

I was an IE9 holdout until half the ****ing web decided that IE8 was no longer "good enough", and while I generally like Firefox it has some VERY annoying bugs in the latest versions..... so guess what I use the most?

Yep -- IE9.

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Genesis wrote..
while I generally like Firefox it has some VERY annoying bugs in the latest versions
I can't use IE on Linux so I have to go use Chromium. I really liked Firefox for the plugins but it just performs horribly, even on machines with powerful processors and lots of RAM.

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FF is constantly working to address the performance issues.

I have IE9, FF's latest, and Chrome...and had just started shifting over to Chrome from FF for my normal surfing...guess I'll be reverting to FF now.

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I have looked at the p3p spec. Most convoluted screwball spec I've ever seen. It's like the freaking tax code and nobody gives a damn and leaves everything on the defaults anyway. It's seriously a spec that would make a tax attorney cringe. It looks designed 100% to enable Microsoft to screw with non-Microsoft Internet marketing via spreading paranoia, confusion and complexity.

You can already use ad block or whatever if you want. The thing is is that 98% of users leave things on the defaults and don't really give a damn so whatever the defaults are, you have to work around them. If Microsoft is setting the defaults to block google then that IMHO is anti-competitive.

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Cbxer55

Check out Sumatra PDF - small, no frills, fast, and free (no ads at all). Best free PDF reader out there IMO.

Foxit was good until they tried to sneak a browser toolbar into their installer to display ads and track sites

Abn0rmal
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Rjazz117 wrote..
FF is constantly working to address the performance issues.
Back when I used Firefox I never did the thing where you drag a tab from one browser window to another or else promote a tab into its own window because even though Firefox could technically accomplish that it didn't work very well.

Then once I switched to Chrome/Chromium and saw how fast it could be to do that I started using that feature and now can't go back.
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Nothing beats opera for speed of page rendering. Nothing has for years.

This is a full refresh and rerender of this page. ~1.1 seconds.
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As someone that gets a nice check from Google AdSense every month, I wonder what steps I should be taking?

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Ab: Tabbed browsing originated with opera. Moving tabs between windows, changing the order of tabs in the current window or making them new windows has never been more than a click/drag or keystroke.

Pretty much every cool feature in FF originated with opera, moved into a FF addon and then was (usually poorly) implemented in the base FF client.

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If you trade based on what other people say, you will lose money. Especially what I say. I won't be held responsible. Festina lente.
Asimov
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Not saying it's perfect by any means. Just better than anything else. :P

Not yet found a problem that couldn't be solved by a bit of time spent digging around in opera:config

Er.. I take that back. There used to be a password issue that would pop up every now and then here with karl's videos that was annoying and I couldn't solve. It just disappeared one day and never came back. Assuming it was an actual bug that was fixed.

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If you trade based on what other people say, you will lose money. Especially what I say. I won't be held responsible. Festina lente.
Imustbenutz
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thanks Karl for this post.

I have installed Do Not Track Plus for Chrome (from Bsfootprint's link) SO COOL!!!

Will soon install the others for my other browsers - yup -I use them all, Safari, FF, IE, Opera...
Slartibartfast
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Microsoft has a browser? Cool!

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If y'all really want to unhook yourself from the (G)oogle teat (and thus further avoid G's new privacy policies), try DuckDuckGo search.

http://duckduckgo.com/

Not always as 'deep' as Google's results (especially for programmer/techie stuff), but it's nice and clean and works well for most searches.

I've made it my default search engine in all my browsers; I try it first then resort to Google only when DDG doesn't provide adequate results.

The way I look at it: It's time to support the entrepreneur, not the lumbering (G)iant. Plus, DuckDuckGo is just an awesome domain name.

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Google's response:
http://www.itworld.com/security/251660/g....

Google says IE privacy policy is impractical in modern Web

February 21, 2012, 12:25 AM — Microsoft's privacy protection feature in Internet Explorer, known as P3P, is impractical to comply with while providing modern web functionality such as cookie-based features, Google said Monday in response to an accusation from Microsoft that Google had bypassed privacy protections in Internet Explorer.

Google is already facing allegations that the company circumvented privacy settings in Apple's Safari browser to plant cookies on users.

"We've found that Google bypasses the P3P Privacy Protection feature in IE," Dean Hachamovitch, Microsoft's corporate vice president for Internet Explorer said in a blog post. The result is similar to the recent reports of Google's circumvention of privacy protections in Safari, even though the actual bypass mechanism Google uses is different, he added.
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Unless something significant changed in recent months, I think Google (all online advertisers, really) should be a lot more worried about how the Firefox, Opera and Safari teams (including, for the latter, the iOS version) react to this, than about how fast the handful of IE9 early adapters hear about MS's blog post and tracking protection lists.

If you count out corporate users, IE market share shrinks substantially. And non-IE users as a group tend to upgrade their browsers more frequently.

Safari already blocks 3rd party cookies by default. iOS won't even offer you an option to allow them. I'd place my money on Apple retaliating by going iOS-style across the board and closing the loopholes.

I'd expect Opera to do the same at some point, if they haven't already, since they've no vested interest in ads at all. (Apple arguably has some due to iAds, but those are for apps.)

Microsoft is arguably taking a PR shot at Google here. The blog post's conclusion (that they're "investigating" rejecting invalid P3P) suspiciously reads like: "The AdCenter guys are humping Ballmer, and we're going to lose this round of barter".

Firefox is the big question mark imho. It has a sizable market share in households, its users are savvy enough to upgrade and worry about their privacy. But FF itself is married to Google - the latter funds the former. Will they keep a low profile and do nothing? I think they will...

Lastly, there's a smallish issue with AdSense that you didn't raise at all: a recent bloodbath of AdSense accounts getting shut down on grounds their owners' sites were of too low quality.

Google is basically fighting a losing war against arbitragers and MFA article spammers. I say losing war because arbitragers pay for Google AdWord while making money on AdSense; and MFA spammers generate a non-negligible part of AdSense clicks. Their revenues range from $1/mon for a cat blog to millions in the case of ehows.

Its weapon of choice in this war is to trample, unindex and shut down the Joe Schmucks and Demand Medias of the world while sticking to offering AdSense to higher profile outlets. Since the latter often get in touch with advertisers directly, I don't see this ending very well for Google...

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>Incidentally here's how you set up the container for it. Works fine off your local drive - read here.<

HaHa funny one Karl. To read the comments on blogs.msdn I have to unblock googleapis.com. MS can't even write their own blogging code without depending on Google.

MS is pulling the tails of the Gods of Google with this one.

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Analog
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any chance of a pointer to instructions for dweebs?

IE9 i click on tool gear icon,
safety,
tracking protection,
arrive at a screen called "Manage Addons" that mentions tracking lists but refuses to do anything like add or edit one.

Marvinmartian
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I'm a Mac user and now I'm envious of the IE9 features. I might install WINE and run IE9.

No one has mentioned flash cookies. I've got them disabled by making the directory they reside read-only to root.

Reference: wikipedia on flash cookies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_share....

Google has jumped the shark on this one.
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