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Iou
Posts: 1025
Incept: 2009-03-16
The Twilight Zone
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Tell the banksters! 
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"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."- Frédéric Bastiat
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Andysvw
Posts: 1721
Incept: 2010-06-26
Tujunga Ca
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How could any person honestly take a settlement with out even looking at the chain of title? If the rumors are half true Not just bankers go to jail.
Call me what you will, SHOW ME THE PROOF!!!
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Etz
Posts: 13888
Incept: 2007-06-26
LA
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$25 billion the ****ers stole from taxpayers.
Damn it's good to be a bankster!
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Legal chicanery and beneficent darkness are the banker's stoutest allies - F.Pecora.
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Jeannedarc
Posts: 34
Incept: 2010-06-26
Orleans
Banned
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Buddy
Posts: 157
Incept: 2008-10-25
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What's the math on foreclosure fraud for those who benefit from settlement of 25B - or 5 billion per state chump-change charge for immunity. It is ironic that any AG would sign on without any realistic investigation. Is this the best that money can buy? The best way to rob a bank is to own one - WB
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Httpview
Posts: 42
Incept: 2010-01-19
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What is truly atrocious is that Citi is still above this fray! "debt is good" my ass! Audit the "claims and distributions" department alone and you will find massive fraud. Just sayin'.
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Azusgm
Posts: 2390
Incept: 2010-12-02
East Texas
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Schneiderman has the potential of becoming a major thorn in the posteriors of the banksters. He says here that he as AG of NY and Beau Biden as AG of Delaware have jurisdiction over pretty much all of the securitization trusts. http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Backe....The talk sounds really good. Waiting to see the quality and effectiveness of the actions. Schneiderman starts around 17:40.
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Zerosum
Posts: 4573
Incept: 2007-11-11
Yes. It's a train.
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You have to hear the MSM take on this to believe it. It's all about a deal to provide mortgage relief to hard-pressed homeowners, you know.
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"The new American Dream is to get to be very rich and still be regarded as a victim." --Charles Simic
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Twainfan
Posts: 147
Incept: 2010-12-01
Minnesota
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I can't believe any AG would agree to this. If this goes thru, does that mean that no one can go after those banks if they were defrauded prior to this deal?
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Mannfm11
Posts: 3535
Incept: 2009-02-28
DFW, Tx
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I think we should just force them to mark everything to market and be rid of them.
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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
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Floridasandy
Posts: 632
Incept: 2009-08-20
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the only fix is to force mark to market.
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Otiswild
Posts: 5613
Incept: 2009-03-09
Inside you, the force is!
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My prediction:  Though I'd love to be proved wrong.
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Drench
Posts: 28631
Incept: 2009-11-10
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25 / 1100 * 365 =
Eight days of new federal debt. If they use it for that.
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Mezcal
Posts: 1831
Incept: 2007-08-04
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Jerry Brown already gobbled some of the banker cock when he was CA AG. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-02....That leaves less for Kamala to extort for future campaign purposes. I suspect she'll roll over and loudly claim victory.
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"God knows who is a counter-party to whom in the mammoth international cluster**** of accounting fraud that passes for a commerce in capital." Kunstler, 13 June 2011
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Jwm_in_sb
Posts: 1038
Incept: 2009-04-16
California Desert
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Its not a nothing burger nor was 18 mos. ago. The problem is MERS and the appropriate chain title with attendant forward effects of bad chain of title. if the banks can't be sued for the fraud the perpetrated with MERS , then where does that leave a homeowner stuck with a house they can't sell? Who is in the line of recourse there? The County and or state going forward from this deal? its a political hot potato....
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Lenguado
Posts: 1272
Incept: 2010-01-12
Orlando, FL
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House.
Gasoline.
Match.
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I just realized... they aren't saying, "Keynesian Economics" they're saying "Kenyansian Economics". Grass Huts for everyone! Welcome to history’s first Double Dip Depression
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Otiswild
Posts: 5613
Incept: 2009-03-09
Inside you, the force is!
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Quote:The County and or state going forward from this deal? its a political hot potato.... The banksters will simply apply pressure to their fully-paid lickspittle politicians' empty ballsacks and obtain court settlements without admitting wrongdoing for millicents on the dollar, for several thousand percent ROI. This will keep going on until the reign of sniper terror against banksters, their families, and their so-called "public servant" dogsbodies garners enough corpses to be indisputably noticeable.
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Gamma
Posts: 5547
Incept: 2008-01-20
Northern CA
Online
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Even marking to market does not fully rectify the problem, and that's even if it would vaporize the banks. The near total pollution of county land records is a multi-billion dollar problem whose legal and litigational implications are staggering, and clearly beyond the means of most counties to rectify. It is difficult to make the case that the burden of correction should fall on anyone but the banks that conceived of the system (MERS) and who benefited to the tune of $25 or $40 or $85 reg fees hundreds of thousands of times, but now leave hundreds of counties in the position of having to clean up the crap they left on the carpet. This was perhaps the biggest act of vandalism ever committed and might take the better part of a decade to unravel.
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This stuff we're going through, this is nothing compared to the Middle Ages. They told me if I voted for John McCain, an idiot would be a heartbeat away from the presidency. Sure enough...
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Azusgm
Posts: 2390
Incept: 2010-12-02
East Texas
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It should not take more than a few years to unravel if the banks quit paying taxes on the REOs. It seems that some investors around here, including from Shreveport must have wised up to the notion that there is too much risk in setting up a new business or expanding one, or in the credit markets, or in the equity market. Can't play in the commodities futures either. Only the truly fearless or oblivious would invest in FX. That doesn't leave much other than straight up cash investments in real estate or hard and soft commodities. Commodities can present storage problems and don't produce revenue streams unless you are also a farmer or mineral rights/royalty owner. That pretty much leaves real estate in some form. The property offered here at tax sales have been briskly bought up lately. In 180 days to two years, the title is cured. Unless the taxman was taxing on the basis of homestead or agriculture use or mineral rights, the redemption period is 180 days. Then you can then get title insurance and attempt to sell with a warranty deed. In the meantime, you have full use of the property and improvements. If the former titleholder, if there was one, from whom the taxman took possession is able to redeem within the allotted time, you (Mr. Investor) are due a 25% premium on your purchase price and recording fees. You are also entitled to be reimbursed on necessary repairs and maintenance. "Necessary" usually implies work and materials to make a property safe, sanitary, and secure. If the property is purchased at auction for more that the tax bill, the surplus can be claimed for rebate within two years by the "owner" who lost the property to the tax man. If not successfully claimed, the taxman keeps the overage. I'm not sure if the money stops there or if the state may have a claim of a portion.
If the banks ever want to make money again by borrowing short-term and lending long-term, they may need to decide to avoid a lifetime of title litigation, bad press, and lack of trust and either quit paying taxes or hand over residential real estate to the local taxman. Unless the bankers persist in their current behavior while the local authorities and electorate continue to wake up to the fraud that impacts title, the banks will probably be paid any overages as requested. As is, the unsold REOs rack up tax bills, lawn care, etc. while they deteriorate and weigh down the potential mortgage principal value of the housing stock around them. Sure, they'll take terrible hits on the REOs, but Bernanke won't let the interest rates rise until demand picks up. The banks have to see good title in order to do secured lending.
I didn't attend today's auction because the property I had investigated had some issues including potential boundary problems. I'll keep watching and let the taxman be my realtor because I want good title.
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Eaglewwit
Posts: 6054
Incept: 2007-11-30
SoCal
Banned
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Unfortunately OTIS is right, although we will get our Hitler before it gets to that point.
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