Banks Attempt to Bully NY
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Posted 2012-02-06 22:03
by Karl Denninger
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Banks Attempt to Bully NY
 

You knew this was coming...

Feb. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Bank of America Corp., JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Wells Fargo & Co. made a last minute demand that New York drop claims filed against them Feb. 3 as a condition of a $25 billion nationwide settlement over foreclosure abuses, a person familiar with the matter said.

The deadline for states to sign the proposed deal is today. The push by the three banks raised a new obstacle in getting New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman’s support for the deal, said the person. Schneiderman, along with the attorneys general of California, Nevada and Delaware, has voiced concerns about the terms of the accord.

Now we'll see what sort of balls Schneiderman has.

This is what should happen -- Schneiderman should tell them to go to hell.  If the other states want to settle, that's fine, but for the banksters to play this sort of hostage game -- well, it simply can't be allowed to stand.

One would hope that Nevada's AG, which recently passed a law that requires foreclosing parties to certify under penalty of felony indictment that they have the proper paperwork and chain of title before foreclosing, would also erect the middle finger.

Interestingly enough since that law went into effect rendering any false or robosigned filing a criminal felony (and $5,000 fine for each document) offense new foreclosure filings have effectively ceased by these very same banks. Never mind the 606 count indictment that came out of the Nevada AG's office shortly thereafter.

Is that an admission that the banks don't have proper title to the notes and can't document proper procedure?  Good question.

But this much is certain -- Schneiderman, California AG Kamala Harris and Deleware's Beau Biden, along with Nevada and New York all ought to tell these banks to stick it.

Why?

That's simple -- those who were illegally foreclosed won't get much if anything at all out of this deal, and the so-called "principal forgiveness" isn't worth the paper it's written on.  Those deals will be preferentially handed out to protect the banks' second lines, doing little or nothing for the vast majority of the borrowers. 

Worse, none of the proposed settlement will do a damn thing to address the harm that has been done or extract punishment.  And it is punishment that is needed -- punishment so severe that nobody will ever think of doing it again.  We already have a so-called "settlement" with regard to wrongful foreclosures and similar with regard to Countrywide, and while it was supposed to grant billions in relief to homeowners it has both brought almost no actual help and not been enforced.

One of the key un-addressed issues is the fact that our land title system has been corrupted beyond belief by these institutions.  This must be fixed, and it is the banks who must fix it and spend whatever it takes to do so.  Every single assignment and mortgage has to be audited and cleared through either to the trust it is in or an admission must be made that it was never forwarded and the trusts are in fact empty artifices.  If the latter has occurred en-masse, and it certainly appears it has, people need to go to prison and those who bought these instruments in good faith and are holding empty boxes must be made whole.  If this collapses the major financial institutions in this country then so be it -- we cannot have a nation where being a "big company" means you can literally blow farts at the law any time you please.

The worst part of this is not just that the FBI warned early in the decade of an epidemic of fraud, or that property appraisers sent a petition warning of the same thing.  Oh no, there was actually an investigation at Fannie that showed these practices were rampant -- including robosigning -- in 2003.

This is a decade-long, and perhaps longer, outrage.  The entities involved must be held to account.  A decade or more of abuse of the public is not compensated for with $25 billion, with the firms involved going about their business in the usual "cost of doing business" sort of handslap.  This apparent organized set of actions, recklessly (at best) or even intentionally taken calls for recession of banking licenses and revocation of corporate charters, along with indictments where still possible under the statute of limitations.

Nothing less will do.

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Tell the banksters!
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How could any person honestly take a settlement with out even looking at the chain of title? If the rumors are half true Not just bankers go to jail.


Call me what you will, SHOW ME THE PROOF!!!

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$25 billion the ****ers stole from taxpayers.

Damn it's good to be a bankster!

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I guess we now know why they registered brianmoynihansucks.com all those months back.

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2010....
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What's the math on foreclosure fraud for those who benefit from settlement of 25B - or 5 billion per state chump-change charge for immunity. It is ironic that any AG would sign on without any realistic investigation. Is this the best that money can buy? The best way to rob a bank is to own one - WB
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What is truly atrocious is that Citi is still above this fray! "debt is good" my ass! Audit the "claims and distributions" department alone and you will find massive fraud. Just sayin'.
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Schneiderman has the potential of becoming a major thorn in the posteriors of the banksters. He says here that he as AG of NY and Beau Biden as AG of Delaware have jurisdiction over pretty much all of the securitization trusts.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Backe....

The talk sounds really good. Waiting to see the quality and effectiveness of the actions.

Schneiderman starts around 17:40.
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You have to hear the MSM take on this to believe it. It's all about a deal to provide mortgage relief to hard-pressed homeowners, you know.

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I can't believe any AG would agree to this. If this goes thru, does that mean that no one can go after those banks if they were defrauded prior to this deal?
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I think we should just force them to mark everything to market and be rid of them.

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the only fix is to force mark to market.

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My prediction:
smiley

Though I'd love to be proved wrong.
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25 / 1100 * 365 =

Eight days of new federal debt. If they use it for that.

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Jerry Brown already gobbled some of the banker cock when he was CA AG.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-02....

That leaves less for Kamala to extort for future campaign purposes.
I suspect she'll roll over and loudly claim victory.

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Its not a nothing burger nor was 18 mos. ago. The problem is MERS and the appropriate chain title with attendant forward effects of bad chain of title. if the banks can't be sued for the fraud the perpetrated with MERS , then where does that leave a homeowner stuck with a house they can't sell? Who is in the line of recourse there? The County and or state going forward from this deal? its a political hot potato....
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Match.

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The County and or state going forward from this deal? its a political hot potato....


The banksters will simply apply pressure to their fully-paid lickspittle politicians' empty ballsacks and obtain court settlements without admitting wrongdoing for millicents on the dollar, for several thousand percent ROI. This will keep going on until the reign of sniper terror against banksters, their families, and their so-called "public servant" dogsbodies garners enough corpses to be indisputably noticeable.
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Even marking to market does not fully rectify the problem, and that's even if it would vaporize the banks. The near total pollution of county land records is a multi-billion dollar problem whose legal and litigational implications are staggering, and clearly beyond the means of most counties to rectify. It is difficult to make the case that the burden of correction should fall on anyone but the banks that conceived of the system (MERS) and who benefited to the tune of $25 or $40 or $85 reg fees hundreds of thousands of times, but now leave hundreds of counties in the position of having to clean up the crap they left on the carpet. This was perhaps the biggest act of vandalism ever committed and might take the better part of a decade to unravel.

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It should not take more than a few years to unravel if the banks quit paying taxes on the REOs. It seems that some investors around here, including from Shreveport must have wised up to the notion that there is too much risk in setting up a new business or expanding one, or in the credit markets, or in the equity market. Can't play in the commodities futures either. Only the truly fearless or oblivious would invest in FX. That doesn't leave much other than straight up cash investments in real estate or hard and soft commodities. Commodities can present storage problems and don't produce revenue streams unless you are also a farmer or mineral rights/royalty owner. That pretty much leaves real estate in some form. The property offered here at tax sales have been briskly bought up lately. In 180 days to two years, the title is cured. Unless the taxman was taxing on the basis of homestead or agriculture use or mineral rights, the redemption period is 180 days. Then you can then get title insurance and attempt to sell with a warranty deed. In the meantime, you have full use of the property and improvements. If the former titleholder, if there was one, from whom the taxman took possession is able to redeem within the allotted time, you (Mr. Investor) are due a 25% premium on your purchase price and recording fees. You are also entitled to be reimbursed on necessary repairs and maintenance. "Necessary" usually implies work and materials to make a property safe, sanitary, and secure. If the property is purchased at auction for more that the tax bill, the surplus can be claimed for rebate within two years by the "owner" who lost the property to the tax man. If not successfully claimed, the taxman keeps the overage. I'm not sure if the money stops there or if the state may have a claim of a portion.

If the banks ever want to make money again by borrowing short-term and lending long-term, they may need to decide to avoid a lifetime of title litigation, bad press, and lack of trust and either quit paying taxes or hand over residential real estate to the local taxman. Unless the bankers persist in their current behavior while the local authorities and electorate continue to wake up to the fraud that impacts title, the banks will probably be paid any overages as requested. As is, the unsold REOs rack up tax bills, lawn care, etc. while they deteriorate and weigh down the potential mortgage principal value of the housing stock around them. Sure, they'll take terrible hits on the REOs, but Bernanke won't let the interest rates rise until demand picks up. The banks have to see good title in order to do secured lending.

I didn't attend today's auction because the property I had investigated had some issues including potential boundary problems. I'll keep watching and let the taxman be my realtor because I want good title.

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Unfortunately OTIS is right, although we will get our Hitler before it gets to that point.
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