On The NFP Report Screeching
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Posted 2012-02-03 20:54
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On The NFP Report Screeching
 

It seems there is some controversy over the NFP report this morning, which I reported on earlier.

Among the howlers are Barry Ritholtz, who is basically calling Santelli a liar, and Time's "Swampland" blog which claims that the report is in fact all good news.  Both predicated their analysis on the benchmark revisions that came with the 2010 Census data, which resulted in adjustments that are "one time" changes and are not reflected back into the previous month's household data.

Incidentally, this is why I use the NSA numbers -- BLS doesn't change them later.  If you've followed my analysis on this report for any length of time you'll remember that I've noted this repeatedly -- the only way to get an honest view of what's up is to not have a series that changes out from under you constantly, otherwise you wind up having to revisit everything that is changed and, well, change your mind.  Of course a month or three or six later nobody cares that the counts were wrong.

This very sort of distortion is what makes the weekly claims data very difficult to use with any sort of authority -- it's literally all over the place with the revisions and often they're quite material.  That is why I use the "big table" at the bottom of that report for my analysis -- it's two weeks late, but it also has the revisions in it so what I report on there doesn't change.

The screech owls all claim that the revisions are responsible for everything and thus the report is strong. 

They're incorrect.

It is true that the 1.685 million people that were claimed to be added to the population is about 10x more than the typical monthly increase in population, and is obviously the Census adjustment (even though the BLS didn't break it out for the non-seasonally-adjusted figures.)  But what's not established is how the NILF adjustment was determined, given that the Census data is more than a year old.  Allegedly NILF is a count off the survey (the population is obviously not as it comes from the Census; employed is.)

So one can try to explain away the exit from the workforce figures with simple ratio adjustment but then we have a problem if we do -- the participation rate dropped in a big way, from 58.5% to 57.8%.  That's two tenths off the low from last year (January 2011) and more-importantly, basically a flat-line since the recession's depths.  There has been no material improvement in this metric since the end of 2009 when it hit the floor.  Yes, it's rattled around, but it's not getting better, and it is this number that matters to fiscal sustainability, as only employed people pay taxes.

As I noted the employed number went down from 140.681 million to 139.994, a drop of 737,000 on the month.  This, into an adjusted (higher) population.  Yes, I know, this figure is non-seasonally adjusted and people are usually (always, for all intents and purposes) fired in January.  Nonetheless it is what it is, and it, along with the population change, was responsible for the drop in the participation rate.

Note that irrespective of when the population change was recorded (all at once or across the last year) the end point for the participation rate remains the same; in fact the inclusion of the population adjustment this month means we've been overstating the participation rate for the last year.  Six of one, a half-dozen of the other; the end point is the same.

Finally, if you look at the not-in-labor-force as a percentage of the total population, you discern the problem for the broader public, as that tells you who can work but isn't even bothering to try to find a job.  It's on a tear, showing that indeed, people are exiting the workforce, and the claim of those who say this did not happen last month are factually wrong. 

Again, if the population adjustment was "late" then this means we've been understating this value for the last year (lower is better from the standpoint of the workforce), so it's been worse than reported.  But the important aspect of this chart is the slope, not the absolute value.

I had to go over to FRED to get the data series back before 1991; they have it back to 1976.  Note carefully that the upward rise began in 2009 with people exiting the labor force as a percentage of the population, that we are back to where we were in the late 70s and early 80s as women entered the workforce en-masse, and that absolutely nothing about the revisions or last month's data has done a thing to change the slope of that data when one smooths the normal seasonal fluctuations.

In other words this report sucked both from the standpoint of government fiscal sustainability and from the standpoint of the labor force (that's you and I, folks) itself.

I stand with my originally-reported view -- this is not a strong report.

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Okay I have to play the devils advocate please tell me where I am wrong.


Some would say that the majority of those leaving the work force now are baby boomers retiring. If that is the case and these people have the means to do it... it wouldn't be that bad for the economy. I think I heard some where that several hundred thousand baby boomers are now retiring per month. If so, that would help us make a better sense from the numbers.
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How do people who are retiring, in a ZIRP environment, pay for their living expenses?

That's why it's not good for the economy either, if your economy is built on asset prices.
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Americans are Worried About Saving for Retirement

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It really seems that there are tens of millions of Boomers who literally have not saved a dime, and they are in their 60's.

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Boomers retiring do not count in the NILF numbers, as they're not in the working-age population (caps at 65)

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I found a small typo

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Both are predicated their analysis on the benchmark revisions that came with the 2010 Census data, which resulted in adjustments that are "one time" changes and are not reflected back into the previous month's household data.


"Both have predicated" or "Both are predicating" I am not sure which tense you wanted to use there

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Down here in Aus because being on unemployment benefit is so hard people are going on other benefits that do-not count to the unemployment rate. They either go on sickness benefits or helper benefits.
The whole system has become so so corrupted.
Its all about people having "confidence". There was a G20 meeting back in 2009 and the answer was we have to get confidence in the system. The media started changing there attitude from pessimism and there we go.
Thank goodness for honest people like Karl that only give facts without snake skin oil spin.
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Barry is an "asset manager" meaning he sells calls on rich peoples' positions and walks away with the cash. Sorry, but that's the racket. He pretends to be objective but is part of the machine that feeds him. He is most certainly not objective.

His day will come along with all the other self proclaimed market gurus out there who think they have everything from technical analysis to human nature figured out.

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MrBill,

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How do people who are retiring, in a ZIRP environment, pay for their living expenses?


Given the last three months of supposedly positive employment and manufacturing data, why is three more years of ZIRP even necessary?

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Did you read the ticker? "Positive employment" these last 3 months is a drop in the bucket.

It's ZIRP until the end now.
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MrBill,

Yes I read the ticker and I've edited my comment for clarity's sake. I don't dispute Karl's analysis or believe that we're witnessing a real surge in hiring

The question stands to anyone who claims we're witnessing a genuine economic recovery; Why do we need another three year of low interest rates that penalize seniors and savers when the economy "appears" to be healing itself?
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With all the discussions/comments about people trying to lower their profile in the system by "going Galt", etc. I'd be interested in knowing if there are there any reliable/believable estimates of numbers of people who work in the "underground" economy (i.e., work and are paid "under the table"), and secondly, should one expect these numbers to be a significant fraction of the NILF numbers?

While these "underground" jobs do not directly contribute to tax receipts, etc., I would expect that they do contribute to overall economic activity.

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Gen (or anyone): is there a FRED data series for NILF as a percent of population, or are you calculating it from a combination of data series? (I searched the FRED site, all NILF data I've found is in thousands of people.)

If there is a NILF NSA % of population, what's the series ID or URL to the data?

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I pulled the data individually as a set from FRED and stuffed it into Excel.

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Boomers retiring do not count in the NILF numbers, as they're not in the working-age population (caps at 65)


Some boomers retire prior to age 65.
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I would suggest that the decline trend in NILF up until the mid-late nineties is due to the increasing prevalence double-income families - families needing two incomes to support the credit/consumption lifestyle etc.

That this trend has reversed and continues seems to me to be a 'bad' omen. It isn't because the population is becoming wealthier that double income families are evaporating...
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Those crowing about this "wonderful" report are a couple of things...
1) Obama rump-lickers
2) Husksters whose livelihood depends entirely on the continuing Ponzi-conomy
3) Bankster scum
4) All of the above

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I don't dispute Karl's analysis or believe that we're witnessing a real surge in hiring


Keep in mind there very well may be a surge in hiring in the short term future (even without the government fudging the numbers)...it does not change the long term math. I caught myself ASSUMING ALL economic data would trend badly until the crash. That in inconsistent with historical crashes. Prior to and during the Great Depression there were blurps of good economic data as the TPTB tried everything in the book to keep things afloat,only to be ran over by the much larger bad economic pressures later.

Karl has shown, the math does not lie. The fact we may have momentary positive trends in one or a few sectors does not change the inevitable endgame of a worldwide crash.

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Job creation may be exaggerated, but based on what I'm observing on the street, it is taking place.

This deficit spending/bond market bubble has at least 2-3 more years left in it.
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The numbers are all politically based and not a thread of truth in them. Why is the fed reading that things suck and they need to keep ZIRP going through 2014?
The biggest benefactor from this BS is Obama, the guy that handed the keys to the treasury, SEC, etc to Wallstreet and they would love to see him reelected.

It seems that every govt number that is released shows more fraud and desparation with each announcement. When they are called on the fraud, they cry like a little bitch because their fraud was caught. They want everyone to believe this BS because the equity bubble keeps growing and so does their greed. I would love to see what companies were actually hiring. How many hours do you have to work to be considered "employed".............

It is getting so hard to even turn on the TV because this crap is flashed in our faces more and more. The further this election cycle goes, the better chance that the staus quo will continue. This is more than frightening. Time for that bunker..............
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2/3 if we make it to 2020

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all to make the pr-ick in the white house look wonderful into election.

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THIS IS WHY I GOT OFF THE RITHOLTZ WEB SITE 16 MONTHS AGO. He might try to defend himself, so i would look forward to a full frontal skull ****ing if he does!

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