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Posted 2012-02-02 11:13
by Karl Denninger
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The testimony and questioning this morning is rather interesting....

Ryan is going to town on him as I write this and I have to wonder if he reads Tickers, as he's pointing out:

  • He's bailing out fiscal policy with near-zero interest rates.  That is, we are able to run trillion dollar plus deficits because he is playing with ZIRP and QE.  Ryan basically told Bernanke that Congress is not comprised of adults and that Bernanke must pull system liquidity in order to force Congress to do its job!

  • He used the words stable pricesWhat he did not do is bend him over the desk and give him one or two good ones from behind on the "2% inflation" game, but it's a start.

  • He's pointing out that trashing saver's investment income and forcing them into risk is counter-productive.  Mr. Ryan recognizes capital formation will get the job done?  THAT is a change.

  • He called him out on creating the housing bubble.  Heh heh heh.....

There's more -- but this is a change, and a marked one, in how the questioning is unfolding.  With that, here's my commentary on the testimony.

February 2, 2012

Chairman Ryan, Vice Chairman Garrett, Ranking Member Van Hollen, and other members of the Committee, I appreciate this opportunity to discuss my views on the economic outlook, monetary policy, and the challenges facing federal fiscal policymakers.

The Economic Outlook
Over the past two and a half years, the U.S. economy has been gradually recovering from the recent deep recession. While conditions have certainly improved over this period, the pace of the recovery has been frustratingly slow, particularly from the perspective of the millions of workers who remain unemployed or underemployed. Moreover, the sluggish expansion has left the economy vulnerable to shocks. Indeed, last year, supply chain disruptions stemming from the earthquake in Japan, a surge in the prices of oil and other commodities, and spillovers from the European debt crisis risked derailing the recovery. Fortunately, over the past few months, indicators of spending, production, and job market activity have shown some signs of improvement; and, in economic projections just released, Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) participants indicated that they expect somewhat stronger growth this year than in 2011. The outlook remains uncertain, however, and close monitoring of economic developments will remain necessary.

As is often the case, the ability and willingness of households to spend will be an important determinant of the pace at which the economy expands in coming quarters. Although real consumer spending rose moderately last quarter, households continue to face significant headwinds. Notably, real household income and wealth stagnated in 2011, and access to credit remained tight for many potential borrowers. Consumer sentiment has improved from the summer's depressed levels but remains at levels that are still quite low by historical standards.

Note that nice hidden statement in there.  The entire problem with the last 30 years is that we have continually spent more than we made through the economy.  Again, for Mr. Ryan (who will get this by fax) and the rest of those on The Hill:

Over the last 30 years there was no actual growth funded by output.  It was all borrowed.

That's the root of the problem and it must be addressed.  Addressing it will cause financial contraction for some period of time -- it cannot be otherwise, as the demand represented by that excessive borrowing was not real and as such the withdrawal cannot do other than cause direct contraction in the economy itself.

Household spending will depend heavily on developments in the labor market. Overall, the jobs situation does appear to have improved modestly over the past year: Private payroll employment increased by about 160,000 jobs per month in 2011, the unemployment rate fell by about 1 percentage point, and new claims for unemployment insurance declined somewhat. Nevertheless, as shown by indicators like the rate of unemployment and the ratio of employment to population, we still have a long way to go before the labor market can be said to be operating normally. Particularly troubling is the unusually high level of long-term unemployment: More than 40 percent of the unemployed have been jobless for more than six months, roughly double the fraction during the economic expansion of the previous decade.

There as been no recovery in employment.

The key here is that tax receipts are inexorably tied to the Employment Rate.  But more tellingly the fact of the matter is that the US Government has never managed to extract materially more than 19% of GDP in taxes.  Expecting that we can do it now is naive -- therefore, raising taxes will not raise revenue, but lowering taxes doesn't spur actual revenue; the history is that what lower tax rates do is spur borrowing which in turn feeds bubbles instead of healthy economic growth!

The premise of continually borrowing more to create more and more fake demand is a Ponzi scheme.

Uncertain job prospects, along with tight mortgage credit conditions, continue to hold back the demand for housing. Although low interest rates on conventional mortgages and the drop in home prices in recent years have greatly improved the affordability of housing, both residential sales and construction remain depressed. A persistent excess supply of vacant homes, largely stemming from foreclosures, is keeping downward pressure on prices and limiting the demand for new construction.

The problem is not foreclosures.  It is the refusal of regulators to force actual values to be recognized by financial institutions, which in turn has prevented the market price from sinking to the level of actual value. 

The fact of the matter is that the total loss that has to be absorbed in the housing market has been stymied by these policies, which in any firm without such "blessing" would be flagged instantly as an act of fraud, that is causing the market to remain "inflated" and is thus preventing it from clearing.

Yes, I know, everyone "hates" foreclosures.  Except, that is, for the person without a house who would like to buy one cheap!  Funny how we all like low prices -- except when we're sellers, or worse, when we're municipal governments that built tax bases and rates on bubble prices that were utterly ridiculous and banks that loaned money on fictitious values that would be rendered instantly insolvent were the truth to be recognized.  Then it's "bad".

In contrast to the household sector, the business sector has been a relative bright spot in the current recovery. Manufacturing production has increased 15 percent since its trough, and capital spending by businesses has expanded briskly over the past two years, driven in part by the need to replace aging equipment and software. Moreover, many U.S. firms, notably in manufacturing but also in services, have benefited from strong demand from foreign markets over the past few years.

Uh huh.  Look at the GDP report and the import/export balance lately?

More recently, the pace of growth in business investment has slowed, likely reflecting concerns about both the domestic outlook and developments in Europe. However, there are signs that these concerns are abating somewhat. If business confidence continues to improve, U.S. firms should be well positioned to increase both capital spending and hiring: Larger businesses are still able to obtain credit at historically low interest rates, and corporate balance sheets are strong. And, though many smaller businesses continue to face difficulties in obtaining credit, surveys indicate that credit conditions have begun to improve modestly for those firms as well.

Economic growth does not come from credit.  Bubbles come from credit. 

Economic growth comes from economic surplus, otherwise known as "profit."  Borrowing suppresses economic surplus as the cost of borrowed funds, otherwise known as "interest" comes off the top line and thus is a dollar-for-dollar charge against profit.

So low interest rates may appear to reduce this impact but in fact all they do is produce uneconomic output -- that for which there is no driver from profit.  This is otherwise known as "malinvestment" and it is bad, not good.

Globally, economic activity appears to be slowing, restrained in part by spillovers from fiscal and financial developments in Europe. The combination of high debt levels and weak growth prospects in a number of European countries has raised significant concerns about their fiscal situations, leading to substantial increases in sovereign borrowing costs, concerns about the health of European banks, and associated reductions in confidence and the availability of credit in the euro area. Resolving these problems will require concerted action on the part of European authorities. They are working hard to address their fiscal and financial challenges. Nonetheless, risks remain that developments in Europe or elsewhere may unfold unfavorably and could worsen economic prospects here at home. We are in frequent contact with European authorities, and we will continue to monitor the situation closely and take every available step to protect the U.S. financial system and the economy.

Short form:

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Let me now turn to a discussion of inflation. As we had anticipated, overall consumer price inflation moderated considerably over the course of 2011. In the first half of the year, a surge in the prices of gasoline and food--along with some pass-through of these higher prices to other goods and services--had pushed consumer inflation higher. Around the same time, supply disruptions associated with the disaster in Japan put upward pressure on motor vehicle prices. As expected, however, the impetus from these influences faded in the second half of the year, leading inflation to decline from an annual rate of about 3-1/2 percent in the first half of 2011 to about 1-1/2 percent in the second half--close to its average pace in the preceding two years. In an environment of well-anchored inflation expectations, more-stable commodity prices, and substantial slack in labor and product markets, we expect inflation to remain subdued.

Against that backdrop, the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) decided last week to maintain its highly accommodative stance of monetary policy. In particular, the Committee decided to continue its program to extend the average maturity of its securities holdings, to maintain its existing policy of reinvesting principal payments on its portfolio of securities, and to keep the target range for the federal funds rate at 0 to 1/4 percent. The Committee now anticipates that economic conditions are likely to warrant exceptionally low levels of the federal funds rate at least through late 2014.

As part of our ongoing effort to increase the transparency and predictability of monetary policy, following its January meeting the FOMC released a statement intended to provide greater clarity about the Committee's longer-term goals and policy strategy.1 The statement begins by emphasizing the Federal Reserve's firm commitment to pursue its congressional mandate to foster stable prices and maximum employment. To clarify how it seeks to achieve these objectives, the FOMC stated its collective view that inflation at the rate of 2 percent, as measured by the annual change in the price index for personal consumption expenditures, is most consistent over the longer run with the Federal Reserve's statutory mandate; and it indicated that the central tendency of FOMC participants' current estimates of the longer-run normal rate of unemployment is between 5.2 and 6.0 percent. The statement noted that these statutory objectives are generally complementary, but when they are not, the Committee will take a balanced approach in its efforts to return both inflation and employment to their desired levels.

Oh really Ben?  Your mandate is for stable prices.

I will note that 2% inflation produces this over the "longer term" for an item that costs $3.50 today (say, for example, a gallon of gasoline) and I've taken the liberty of extending it over a working man's life (45 years)

That's gas prices for you, Mr. 20 year old, by the time you're 65.

How about your kids?  Let's extend this out 100 years:

Oh yeah that's gonna work out real well.

Now what if Ben is off by just 1%, and it's 3% instead?

And over 100 years?

This is why a mandate of stable prices must be enforced as exactly that -- stable, or unchanging, and we must start imprisoning those who "interpret" things otherwise.

Fiscal Policy Challenges
In the remainder of my remarks, I would like to briefly discuss the fiscal challenges facing your Committee and the country. The federal budget deficit widened appreciably with the onset of the recent recession, and it has averaged around 9 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) over the past three fiscal years. This exceptional increase in the deficit has mostly reflected the automatic cyclical response of revenues and spending to a weak economy as well as the fiscal actions taken to ease the recession and aid the recovery. As the economy continues to expand and stimulus policies are phased out, the budget deficit should narrow over the next few years.

That's a nice theory.  It does not, however, fit with the facts.

Unfortunately, even after economic conditions have returned to normal, the nation will still face a sizable structural budget gap if current budget policies continue. Using information from the recent budget outlook by the Congressional Budget Office, one can construct a projection for the federal deficit assuming that most expiring tax provisions are extended and that Medicare's physician payment rates are held at their current level. Under these assumptions, the budget deficit would be more than 4 percent of GDP in fiscal year 2017, assuming that the economy is then close to full employment.2 Of even greater concern is that longer-run projections, based on plausible assumptions about the evolution of the economy and budget under current policies, show the structural budget gap increasing significantly further over time and the ratio of outstanding federal debt to GDP rising rapidly. This dynamic is clearly unsustainable.

The CBO estimates ridiculously large expansion of the economy as a whole, expiration of all of the tax cuts passed (and no new ones) and ridiculously small expansion in overall spending at a number of levels.  The one place they're reasonably accurate is in their projection of health expense, which has grown by about 9% over the last 30 years (from $53 billion to ~$820 billion) and will continue to do so.  This is not a demographic problem either, as is often said -- it also present in the private economy which is not subject to that distortion.

These structural fiscal imbalances did not emerge overnight. To a significant extent, they are the result of an aging population and, especially, fast-rising health-care costs, both of which have been predicted for decades. Notably, the Congressional Budget Office projects that net federal outlays for health-care entitlements--which were about 5 percent of GDP in fiscal 2011--could rise to more than 9 percent of GDP by 2035.3 Although we have been warned about such developments for many years, the time when projections become reality is coming closer.

Actually it's coming now.  With a 9% rate of growth the rule of 72 tells us that health spending doubles every eight years!  If you think we can keep doing this for even one more eight year cycle, you're wrong. 

We are literally a few years -- three or four at the outside -- from hitting the wall at 120mph as within four years we will have added $410 billion a year to deficits and in eight nearly one trillion per year.  That's not a one-year deal, it's every year and it will utterly destroy any attempt to bring balance to the budgetary process.

This must be stopped right now or it will kill us and we do not have time to address it.  Those are the facts.

Having a large and increasing level of government debt relative to national income runs the risk of serious economic consequences. Over the longer term, the current trajectory of federal debt threatens to crowd out private capital formation and thus reduce productivity growth. To the extent that increasing debt is financed by borrowing from abroad, a growing share of our future income would be devoted to interest payments on foreign-held federal debt. High levels of debt also impair the ability of policymakers to respond effectively to future economic shocks and other adverse events.

No.  This grossly understates the case; we will not make it through the next one cycle (eight years) say much less two.  To believe we can manage to spend over three trillion dollars at the Federal level in 16 years is an outrageous lie and the idea that we can absorb another $400+ billion annually in deficits before 2016 and $800+ billion annually by 2020 is preposterous. 

That which cannot happen will not happen.

This puts the lie to claims by Ryan, Southerland, Miller and others that "those over 50 will not see their Medicare tampered with."  Oh yes they will, as for them to "not have it tampered with" they'd have to make it through four cycles of doubling, not two, which would increase Federal health spending at present rates of acceleration to more than $13 trillion by the time that person reaches 85, or some 16 times the present amount.

I have put forward a number of points on this issue and how to address it under the Health Care topic -- we have to stop bleating and start doing, right here and right now.  Look particularly at my postings on this topic from 2009 and 2010.

Even the prospect of unsustainable deficits has costs, including an increased possibility of a sudden fiscal crisis. As we have seen in a number of countries recently, interest rates can soar quickly if investors lose confidence in the ability of a government to manage its fiscal policy. Although historical experience and economic theory do not indicate the exact threshold at which the perceived risks associated with the U.S. public debt would increase markedly, we can be sure that, without corrective action, our fiscal trajectory will move the nation ever closer to that point.

No, we will go off the cliff.  Stop mincing words Ben -- see above, and that's just health care; it ignores everything else.

To achieve economic and financial stability, U.S. fiscal policy must be placed on a sustainable path that ensures that debt relative to national income is at least stable or, preferably, declining over time. Attaining this goal should be a top priority.

Even as fiscal policymakers address the urgent issue of fiscal sustainability, they should take care not to unnecessarily impede the current economic recovery. Fortunately, the two goals of achieving long-term fiscal sustainability and avoiding additional fiscal headwinds for the current recovery are fully compatible--indeed, they are mutually reinforcing. On the one hand, a more robust recovery will lead to lower deficits and debt in coming years. On the other hand, a plan that clearly and credibly puts fiscal policy on a path to sustainability could help keep longer-term interest rates low and improve household and business confidence, thereby supporting improved economic performance today.

Nonsense. Again, we have never managed to grow the economy faster than we've accumulated debt over the last 30 years.  We must accept this and reduce debt, which means we must accept economic contraction.  I know nobody wants to, myself included, but what I want and what I must do are two different things.

Fiscal policymakers can also promote stronger economic performance in the medium term through the careful design of tax policies and spending programs. To the fullest extent possible, our nation's tax and spending policies should increase incentives to work and save, encourage investments in the skills of our workforce, stimulate private capital formation, promote research and development, and provide necessary public infrastructure. Although we cannot expect our economy to grow its way out of our fiscal imbalances, a more productive economy will ease the tradeoffs that we face and increase the likelihood that we leave a healthy economy to our children and grandchildren.

You cannot both add to debt and support capital formation (which is saving.)

It's really that simple -- we must accept the economic adjustment that has to be made, and we must accept it now.

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Themortgagedude
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Pretty much spot on as always. You draw a pretty grim picture of what awaits us. I've got a feeling that in the future crayon boxes may not come with bright happy colors in them. And nobody will be drawing unicorns and rainbows.

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Slowly but surely, Ryan's starting to get it.

I found this little tidbit on the ISDA website regarding LSOC:

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LSOC. If you haven’t heard it yet, you are likely to, in the cleared swap world of the future in the United States. LSOC stands for “legally segregated, operationally commingled.” Under rules adopted by the CFTC (acronym alert!) last week, it is the basis for the complete legal segregation model, which determines how margin for cleared swaps will be held for the benefit of customers of a futures commission merchant (or, to cite another acronym, an FCM).


Which means, as I read it, that customer funds will no longer be kept segregated and those funds not in play can be used as the firm sees fit. Now I see how this ties into Bank of America's decision to move their $70 trillion derivatives business into the same subsidiary as depositor funds. It was a two-for-one move. Derivatives get FDIC insurance, company gets to play with ALL YOUR DEPOSITED MONEY!

'Vaporized customer funds' is going to be the phrase of the year

http://isda.derivativiews.org/2012/01/17....

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This is the biggest issue facing the American people today. By far. If we don't stop the FOMC everything we have will be lost.

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If we don't stop the FOMC everything we have will be lost.


They just added more doves to their club. Even more attempts to blow another bubble. It's the bankers gone wild.

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Well not quite everything Mayor. Ben can't destroy the farmland, he can't destroy the bridges and roads, he can't destroy the intellectual property, he can't destroy our determination.

What he has destroyed is our credit worthiness, our reserve currency status, our nation. Just my two cents on how I see it. But I think a new America can rise and prosper for another 100 years from the ashes of the Greenspan/Bernanke/Clinton/Bush/Obama follies.

As Winston Churchill said - America can be counted on to do the right thing after we've exhausted all other possibilities. I think he'll be proven correct.

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Ben can't destroy the farmland, he can't destroy the bridges and roads, he can't destroy the intellectual property, he can't destroy our determination.


No - he can take it though. Which is just as bad. FOMC induced bubbles and inflation are wealth transfer mechanisms by which millions are forced to convert their energy and labor into depreciating money thereby giving the creators of money all of the aforementioned assets at the outset.

I can think of no other means to undermine a nation's populace with greater efficiency.

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Look - we need to find a VERY SIMPLE CLEAR explanation of how this relates to perpetual deficit spending and get people to "get it". If not - people will keep clamouring for more deficits, claim austerity hurts etc. And the FOMC will essentially be doing what the sheeple want - devalue their $$$ and therefore labor and energy output.

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And it gets materially worse EVERY YEAR WE DON'T ADDRESS THIS!

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Part of the problem is of the 200 friends I have on Facebook only 10 would even know what FOMC stands for and I bet 1/2 don't even know what currency means...
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Karls' tickers are great - but they are too great. Most people have the attention span of a 3 year old at best. No way your average person reads past the fourth sentence nor spends any mental energy absorbing the copious amounts of data Karl lays forth.

Maybe something along the lines of Dilbert?

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Ben Bernanke is a liar. 10 years ago, he might have thought he was telling the truth, but now that his religion has been proven false, he has no choice but to lie.

Here is a link to Murray Rothbards America's Great Depression. If you read nothing but the 5 forwards, you will be enlightened. Rothbard sounds like Karl, except Rothbard was a Laissez Faire gold bug anarchist. Gold because government is always in the game to steal from someone and give to their cronies. There is no better way to steal than to have a scheme to hide it in credit.

Here is the Federal Reserves Charts and data on industrial production. If you can read a chart or graph, you will see that we have finally made it back to the bottom of the 1990-1991 recession that Clinton called the worst economy in 50 years. What Bernanke is doing might eventually appear to have fixed this mess, but it will only be temporary. The damage the Monetarist and Neo-Keynesians have done to the system will show in the not too distant future. The have bled the patient nearly to death.

Take a look at those gasoline charts Karl put up. There is a third alternative. That one is the rest of the world decides the US is broke and moves to take their haircut before their fellows figure that out. Lets say it happens tomorrow. Forget the trend line showing 2%. We go immediately to the top of the chart. Maybe the top of the 3% chart or the 3% 100 year chart. Bernanke can't do anything about this because he is loaded up with longer term securities and his cronies go broke if he does. The paradox is they go broke if he don't as well. But, the average Joe has to decide between filling his car or eating. There won't be a signal for this. It will just happen. International trade will be forced back to gold whether we like it or not, for no other reason than the worlds bankers and politicians can't be trusted.

You want to fix health care? We pass a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting the Federal Government from doing anything to fix the economy or socialize education or health care and it will fix damn fast. This issue goes back to the founding of the country in the Democrats against the Hamiltonians. Bernanke is the Hamilton of his day. All us*****ed off Americans are the Aaron Burrs.

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"As Winston Churchill said - America can be counted on to do the right thing after we've exhausted all other possibilities. I think he'll be proven correct."

On a long enough timeline, maybe, miracles can happen.

But, he was speaking of a very different almost foreign group of "Americans" back in the day.

The group he was speaking of , believe in sacrifice and hard work,saving and prudence. Maybe 10% have those values now and that is NOT enough.





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MayorQ, I have to agree. I'll add that of my friends that do understand what the FOMC stands for, more than half believe in Modern Monetary Theory. Those MMT'ers think our reserve currency status is a given and will never change, and that the problems in Europe can never happen here because we are currency issuers. I'll also add that every one of my MMT believing friends are in the asset / investment management business, so they are VERY conflicted.

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"claim austerity hurts"

Uh, that's a fact not a claim.

There is no reason to sugar coat the facts of the matter , just because the american diet is coated with the crap.

It hurts to get off the sugar no doubts about it.

That is the problem, the MAIN problem , is that the Pugs(Ryan just did) will claim it all went to hell in the last 3 years and the dims will claim it all went to hell the previous 8.

Sad display of "leadership" by either of the "pushers".
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Mayor - that's the tipping point most likely. When they try to take it. Like Gen has said many times - you won't be able to tax more than 20%. Well even if threatened with the loss of pension bennies, social security, medicare, and all the other free cheese I don't think you can collect more than 25%. And we can't tax our way out of this. I look for some combination of default and printing in conjunction with a vast cutback in entitlements. There is going to be more than enough pain for everyone. But if we finally do the right things we can rebuild this country. Myself I'll be 49 on August 3 of this year. I think it will be left up to the generation behind me to rebuild this mess. But it can be done.

I guess this puts me in the vote for Nancy Pelosi camp so we can just burn this mother****er to the ground and start over. I'm not sure what else to do. I've considered a run for Congress myself, but mrsmortgage doesn't like the idea. She says I have too many skeletons in the closet. I tell her that they won't let you in without skeletons. My campaign would be very honest. I would announce that I would not vote for anything that would cost us another dollar without real corresponding cuts. And I would back ANY cuts in government spending. Absolutely ANY. I would also work to move spending back to the levels of 2000.

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Look - we need to find a VERY SIMPLE CLEAR explanation of how this relates to perpetual deficit spending and get people to "get it".


Deficit spending pays banks interest on your money so they can lend it back to you at interest to buy things you can't afford.

Nope, still not clear or simple.

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JJ - I beg to disagree with you. Way more than 10% of Americans know the value of hard work. They may not want to do it themselves, but if they have to they will. The days of exporting our jobs will come to a close soon enough.

I'm sorry if I don't think the way some of you do, but I think the oncoming collapse is something that presents an opportunity to return to an America of economic and social liberty. A country that Thomas and James would be proud of. When all other options are exhausted we will do the right thing.

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At Checkthisout, You have touched on something that is at the heart of QE3. The ISDA knows the exposure of each of our to big to fail Banks to the Greece fire. If they have to take a 70% haircut on there exposure...they are toast. Reading between the lines the Bernank would be again bailing out these banks with QE3 as there kaboom moment is close at hand( 6months??). the Bernank wants the politicians to come together on both sides of the isle and continue the morphine drip...except now it will be an overdose.

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Disagree.

I've never heard Bernanke say "fix it right now or you're ****ed" because the market would dive 1500 points in 5 minutes.

But what you heard today was pretty close to that.

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Karl,

By stable he means they just push it in slower so you don't notice it as much instead of full on rape.
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Oh I still notice it when I TASTE IT from the bottom up.

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Danimal, but if the ISDA doesn't declare it a default, the counterparties take it up the @ss. The CDS was bought to hedge against potential default. By claiming that a 70%+ haircut isn't a default, those counterparties are gonna go smiley

So QE3 keeps the zombie banks alive a bit longer while everybody else goes down the drain?

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KD, I just ran some calculations on the historical inflation rate on gas and it turns out to be about 5.5%/year based on .35/gal in 1968
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I haven't been able to make it to DC yet. When is somebody gonna punch Bernanke in the mouth? Not a slap, but a punch! Like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDX0-T5bP....

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