| User Info
| The Journal Goes After The Fed! in forum [Market-Ticker]
|
Curbyourrisk
Posts: 3588
Incept: 2008-08-19
Farmingdale, NY
|
AMEN!!!! The media is obviously too stupid to get this. I saw this quote this morning on a Mises.org piece Quote: Why are democracies so vibrant even when composed of uninformed citizens? According to a new study led by the ecologist Iain Couzin at Princeton, this collective ignorance is an essential feature of democratic governments, not a bug. His research suggests that voters with weak political preferences help to prevent clusters of extremists from dominating the political process. Their apathy keeps us safe.
----------
Time is up.
I hate to burst your bubble, but there is no Santa Claus, the tooth fairy does not exist and American justice does not involve the courts.
|
Thorack
Posts: 9
Incept: 2011-04-19
Aberdeen Proving Grounds
|
Uh oh,
Murdoch must think hes in the clear since the phone hacking charges in the UK led to nothing. Look for the some arm of the Feds to squelch anymore talk like this out of the WSJ. I expect them to get a notice to cease and desist fairly soon. Probably a deceased and desist action. Like one poster said on Zerohedge, "Look for very little to change until a large number of Americans miss 9 meals."
|
Mayorquimby
Posts: 13909
Incept: 2008-09-18
The Archaic Past
|
They are a semi-criminalistic cabal trying to desperately cover up their tracks. Expect more scams, lies and tricks (and QE) eventually.
----------
They who wish to hurt you, work within the law. - Morrissey
Gold is theft.
|
Themortgagedude
Posts: 8847
Incept: 2007-12-17
saint louis
|
When I saw the "allocate the losses" I anticipated an extreme skull ****ing. I'm very disappointed that you have treated Chairsatan Bernanke with the respect you have. Come on, get that boner out, and jam it in his eye socket.
----------
I'm already visualizing you with duct tape over your mouth.
|
Lastscottsman
Posts: 523
Incept: 2008-03-02
Houston, Texas
|
Bravo Bravo Bravo !!!! The loans of which you speak is the Damoclesian sword which our betters who sit upon the throne of "enlightened finance" have sought to place over any head but theirs - the question remains who is paying for the income short fall created by all these non performing loans? Has the FED already created key stroke liquidity to compensate for all those zeros ?
----------
O Lord God, let me not be disgraced in my old days. Or if Thou wilt not help me, do not help these scoundrels, but leave us to try it ourselves." Fieldmarshall Leopold I Prince of Anhalt Dessau
|
Ampsucker
Posts: 1493
Incept: 2009-08-05
|
ok, karl, that was a good ticker! just to clarify, this is how i see the rationalization for each group.
homeowners: yes via bankruptcy, credit hit, lowered resale value, etc. they took the loans knowing they couldn't make the payments and bet on an ever increasing asset which is illogical.
lenders: most definitely for many reasons the most obvious being they profited from the upside
guarantors: mostly for looking the other way but part of this blame also goes on the bogus rating agencies who vouched for this crap
investors: because they had little or no diligence. the market should sort this out, not the .gov.
the taxpayer: only because our great grandparents elected the bull**** artists who brought us the federal reserve and the current generations elected the president who appoints the chairman and the spineless congress critters who refuse to take back control of the money supply and who brought us Fannie and Freddie (this will be the same argument they use for Sallie's bailout, too).
we got the representation a disconnected, uninterested and selfish society deserved. maybe if enough pain is felt, we will finally wake up and it will help us work up the nerve to take a stand? we shall see...
thanks to you, sir, for getting the word out and trying to educate us.
|
Killben
Posts: 205
Incept: 2009-12-07
|
I had expected this from that ba%$#^@, Ben Bernanke! As long as this a&^%$#& leads the Fed, America and American tax-payers, savers, retirees are DOOMED!
|
Bigmak
Posts: 14
Incept: 2011-05-22
Waynesboro, VA
|
Criminals won't be influenced by exposure in the WSJ like you and I would. That requires a conscience. The most effective tools for crooks are jail or death. The people in our society that can exert social control over these crooks and put them in jail had better start acting or the second American revolution, most likely patterned after the French revolution, has a high probability of occurring.
Possibly praise is due to the WSJ for trying to do something helpful. But it may just be an effort on their part to play both sides and to have a card to hold off the mob when the time comes.
|
Jazen
Posts: 3416
Incept: 2007-07-17
****cago
|
The real question is, what political candidate has the stones to do something about the Fed? I know all of them at this moment are against the Fed, but what happens when they get in office? Does anyone really expect them to follow through with their statements that got them elected? I don't.
----------
I hate our Government, but I still love America.
|
Kylafoon
Posts: 2456
Incept: 2009-02-05
Zombie Portal Lookout
|
Hell just got a little colder...
----------
"...But whenever we see things done wildly, but taken tamely, then the State is growing insane..." - Gilbert Keith Chesterton 1910
"I found a flaw in the model that I perceived is the critical functioning structure that defines how the world works." - Alan Greenspan, October 2008
|
Themortgagedude
Posts: 8847
Incept: 2007-12-17
saint louis
|
There's only one of them that would do anything about the Fed from the two major parties. Ron Paul. And do you think that our bought and paid for Congresscritters would roll over? I doubt it. I would guess the most he could do is run The Bernank out of town. Not much chance of getting an Austrian in there.
----------
I'm already visualizing you with duct tape over your mouth.
|
Mayorquimby
Posts: 13909
Incept: 2008-09-18
The Archaic Past
|
The American economy is a drug addict in denial.
----------
They who wish to hurt you, work within the law. - Morrissey
Gold is theft.
|
Joejohns
Posts: 694
Incept: 2010-09-09
Banned
|
Greenspan believed that one couldn't know a bubble and the market would not allow people to kill the very system that allowed the market as they would get driven out of biz before real damage was done.
Wrong and that was a political bias that drove his policy.
Essentially he believed that no reason or logic should be brought to bear as the market would correct.
Of course, he ran an agency who had as it's very reason for being to prop up said market.
Either you have to be blind deep in the koolaid or a born liar to run his game. Maybe both as long as the celebration of the Maestro continued.
talk about delusions of crowds.
People who raised alarm back in the early 2001/2002 period were branded as kooks.
In the end it doesn't matter where the loss is taken , just that it is. Do it and be done with it.
There is no money other than taxpayer money.
|
Donethat
Posts: 771
Incept: 2009-04-22
|
The denial of the real estate depression is on steroids, trouble is steroids just enable the bacteria to grow faster. I live in a 50 year old house on a street that has seen tear downs and infill so that of 57 dwellings, 25 have been built new in the last 5 years. One of those new houses built in someones old back yard on a flag lot shared driveway, sold in 2006 for 443k, for sale now for 306k. Another old house was fixed up a tad, but now is vacant with one of those signs "this house has been winterized with antifreeze in the toilets and drains, do not turn on the water". A friend bought a house a few months ago to rent to his daughter. We walked up the street and one house had a pad of foreclosure papers stapled to the door going back six to nine months. Yes naive greed, stupidity and dementia were there for the house buyers, but the US tax laws and the FRB were not just enablers, they were full time pushers of crummy tax laws, inflation and junk credit.
|
Andyc
Posts: 333
Incept: 2010-10-24
Banned
|
"allocate the losses"
Ya right!
We already know who they will be allocated to, to us the taxpayers.
|
Themortgagedude
Posts: 8847
Incept: 2007-12-17
saint louis
|
Quote:The American economy is a drug addict in denial. au contraire Mayor. Most drug addicts at least try to kick the habit from time to time. I would say that when they are slapped in the face by it they give it a try to quit. May even quit. But then they are right back on. 2007-8 should have been that time for us. We were the drug addict that had an overdose. But Dr Bernanke and the rest just went out and switched us from oxycontin to heroin.
----------
I'm already visualizing you with duct tape over your mouth.
|
Genesis
Posts: 130691
Incept: 2007-06-26
|
Before or after the addiction nearly kills them?
We haven't had a real good near-death experience on this one yet...
----------
I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
|
Duc888
Posts: 7368
Incept: 2008-11-06
CT, the UNconstitution State
|
joejohns: Quote:There is no money other than taxpayer money. Actually thebernanke can't even explain what "money" is. You can do a few searches on youtube regarding this if you want t hear what a real cock-up sounds like. So let's call it what it really is "future work units" taken by force if necessary from humans. That's the beginning. After we "voluntarily" pay...those are changed into computerized work unit digits. Yup, at the end of the day this whole entire mess is foisted on the back of the taxpayer / wage slave. Ring me when it's time to throw off the yoke.
----------
...burp
|
Murf
Posts: 4486
Incept: 2007-08-28
MurfCon Warning Level: Arrogance II
|
Excellent, excellent Ticker, Karl.
----------
The money has already been lost. Someone has to book it.
|
Mannfm11
Posts: 3536
Incept: 2009-02-28
DFW, Tx
|
There is one truth in the matter and it is the truth in all of this stuff and that is there is going to be a loss and who is going to take it? Look at the bank ledger, the credit side. That is who takes the loss. Equity, outside lien holders and depositors. In most every case the loss has come out of the depositors and equity, but this time it has been the depositors. Sure they have FDIC insurance, but the lien can only be paid with the money assets and thus the creditor is the debtor. Generally, they cover this up by creating more money and more debt, thus devaluing the deposits and other liabilities of the bank.
TMD mentioned Ron Paul. While the other candidates the other night were talking this "we are going to make adjustments as it swirls around the bowl, Paul pointed straight to the fact we are in a massive debt bubble and it needs to be liquidated. You would think the other guys on the podium had ear plugs and their heads so far up their asses they couldn't hear or see what was going on. We have a hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil system in the US when it comes to money. The politicians are nothing more than monkeys attempting to drive the tree where they sit down the highway by twisting on one of the branches. Most of Paul's message is about the ceasing of making others pay for losses they weren't involved in creating.
Karl's charts are all about the mortgage bubble. The exponential blast off in 1990 was fueled by FNMA/FHLMC. Home equity was monetized and securitized and not always through the banking system. The money market accounts, with no need for reserves, mushroomed this phenomenon and easy refinance to extract equity made home equity a semi-liquid asset. Lower rates made payments lower and launched a bubble creating more home equity and more check book cash from the TBTF bankers.
I don't know what putting a floor in housing would do other than preserves the last bit of home equity out there for the banks, GSE and Fed to monetize. A credit bubble is like having a leech on your leg. It might go to sleep now and then, but it is going to resume sucking as soon as it wakes up. These idiots are pleading for one more burst of money from home equity to put the leech to sleep. This tells me the big boys just might have fallen asleep at the wheel in the last decade and need time to pass the wheel while the car goes off the cliff. Too many of them got caught with this crap, but then again, pumping debt at the pace it was pumped is like shooting speed for a year straight. You can't stop once you cross the line.
----------
The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
|
Steelhead23
Posts: 2041
Incept: 2008-09-09
Portland OR
|
This is very interesting. I believe the term is internecine war, or perhaps internal contradiction. If the Fed wishes for the U.S. Congress to "allocate losses" such that the holders of housing debt recover their investments or at least minimize their losses, they are admitting that they failed in their job. And now the WSJ is willing to say so? Wow, wow, wow. Either Murdoch has suddenly become public-minded (so unlikely as to be impossible), or he is very interested in protecting the value of his dollar holdings. Folks on this forum get it, but the average American is wholly unaware of the systematic attack on the U.S. dollar being run by the Fed. Thanks for pointing this story out - it has put a smile on my face. Thanks Karl.
----------
"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" —Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild Benjamin Bernanke For-profit commercial banks are a menace and should be eradicated
|
Mannfm11
Posts: 3536
Incept: 2009-02-28
DFW, Tx
|
Steel, Murdoch doesn't like the Fed giving the Congress an Obama re-election campaign contribution. It isn't enough that the Fed is supporting the housing bubble with a massive bailout purchase of mortgages and the government has taken on FHLMC and FNMA and flooded FHA with bad loans. Now the Fed is probably sitting on losses in the pools it bought and neededing to sue the very outfits it bailed out in the first place.
If the people ever found out the bankers were lending us our own debt in return for a deed on a property, we would really be*****ed.
----------
The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
|
Mayorquimby
Posts: 13909
Incept: 2008-09-18
The Archaic Past
|
Quote:There is one truth in the matter and it is the truth in all of this stuff and that is there is going to be a loss and who is going to take it? Currently, we are all taking it due to inflated prices and cost of living. Their intention is that we keep on taking it. Problem is...the capacity for an overlevered populace to absorb this loss over time has been pushed to its absolute limit (or past it).
----------
They who wish to hurt you, work within the law. - Morrissey
Gold is theft.
|
Tm22721
Posts: 975
Incept: 2008-01-09
|
I would like to see the emergence of a Liquidationist Party that puts the adults back in charge. Bring back the likes of Andrew Mellon, who, as the last of the liquidationists, was run out of town by the promise of 'a chicken in every pot'.
Ever since that was first promised by FDR, it has been 'a chicken in every pot' ever since.
----------
The country is terminally ill and IT JUST WANTS A PILL.
The only way up is down.
|