This like this seem to be happening more and more frequently as of late. I feel like we are headed toward the "limit of the function," so-to-speak -- to the singularity of complete government control from which there is no turning back.

And it has to stop. How?

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Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Fr....

And what we deserve, that's exactly what we're getting.

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We cannot allow the slow death of our Republic.

Uh. Huh..

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This has got to stop.

And just how would you like it to stop ? What was the final vote..

283-136
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Sorry.. It is Over. It is the End of the Beginning. Round two coming soon... Be sure to practice your "camera" wave.

Be sure to wish good thoughts to your betters and their willing accomplices in the government.

My name is Frat, and I approve of her message.

Truth, I don't believe there is a way to stop it. There simply aren't enough logical, rational thinkers in the world. As long as most people are ruled by their emotions and not by rational thinking, the best we can do is try to blend in and not become the object of their next tirade. I wish it weren't so, but these past few years have clearly demonstrated that the worst traits of humans (greed, desire for power and control, knee-jerk emotionalism, etc.) tend to rule the day.

Oh and don't forget SOPA is up next. And of course the Law is the Law!

"So even if the police illegally stop you, detain you, and beat you, you aren’t permitted to resist. Just roll over and take it. Submit."

http://www.theagitator.com/2011/12/19/ka....

Makes you wonder if they see trouble on the horizon, maybe the proverbial hackneyed CAN can't get kicked much further. I wonder if Guantanmo Bay Prison has gotten bigger or smaller since the Barack "Hope and Change" Obama was going to close it. See what they do not the rhetoric they spout.

Why would the congress pass a bill like this....maybe the **** is going to hit the fan when Europe goes down.

I for one would like to start a airline that offers no security, allows people to take handguns on the plane. Fly at your own risk.

This bill is a Declaration of War against US citizens. I want to be clear. Disagreement, dispute, and dissent against this & future administrations will be deemed grounds for that person or persons to be suspected of terror links & indefinitely interned without charges, legal recourse, administrative appeal, or any form of governmental oversight.

Point out that the US government violated the US Constitution, USC, CFR, or any Treaty ratified-go to Club Gitmo for an extended stay. Whistle blow corruption, fraud, breach of trust-go to Camp FEMA for an extended stay. Exercise your right to protest or demonstrate or air any grievance against the criminal government-you will be disappeared JUST LIKE IN ARGENTINA BY THEIR JUNTA.

Enough of this silliness of save our democracy or saving our republic. They are long dead and gone. It is past time to form new government as outlined in the Declaration of Independence and leave from out under the old corrupt collapsing tower of Babel one we have now.

The system is too broken down, too corrupt, too controlled by bureaucratic obstruction-legal challenges to enact any meaningful reform without the use of force and that would only draw out the military and lose any morale high ground upon with such a movement would stand.

Boycotts, black markets i.e. barter/trade (not contraband or controlled substances), living off the grid as much as possible to hasten the collapse, reducing the tax/fee revenues by withholding money from the economy are more effective than guns. Currency is the lifeblood (oil) of the system, withdrawal it and watch the system lock up just like an engine.

Loki wrote..

Boycotts, black markets i.e. barter/trade (not contraband or controlled substances), living off the grid as much as possible to hasten the collapse, reducing the tax/fee revenues by withholding money from the economy are more effective than guns.

My thesis, exactly.

was there any doubt Susan ? Even in those state where you can resists an unlawful arrest/detention.. Well those are words on a piece of paper.

In practice ... You better be willing to kill and be killed yourself, for in practice the boys in blue will hunt you down and beat the crap out of you if you dare lay a hand on the king's guard. If you actually kill one of them, well the entire force will hunt you down and kill you - after all you are a cop killer.

Just remember the cops are just like you and me - only better. so STFU

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I wish it weren't so, but these past few years have clearly demonstrated that the worst traits of humans (green, desire for power and control, knee-jerk emotionalism, etc.) tend to rule the day.

Sadly, humanity in general learns most effectively from Pain. It also quickly forgets in the absence of injury. Until we evolve past that we're stuck rhyming with history.

This will continue until it can't. as we've said before peaceful resolution become less and less likely with each passing day. God help us all during the next two decades.

1. Assassination of US citizens without due process (no, I don't mourn those killed thus far, it's just the principle).
2. Indefinite imprisonment of US citizens without trial.

What's left?

"Good intentions"

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And it has to stop. How?

There are 300 million of us and only 538 of them.

If you are backed into a corner and fear for your life remember "After the first one the rest are free"

Pray the Peak Oil will bring this down ... it's about the only rational hope remaining.

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All those in Congress who supported this legislation must be voted out of office for violation of their oath to uphold the Constitution.

The ballot box? Really?

REALLY?

Wow. After all of this, we, as a collective, still think "voting them out" is going to work?

Let me ask this: how many of the new Representatives, the ones that replaced the incumbents, voted for the passage of this language before it went to the Senate?

And we're supposed to still believe that we can fix this by "just vot[ing] them out"?

God, we deserve what's coming. 10 fold.

This has never been more pertinent to the national conversation than now:

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That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

Don't forget the guys that preached this did so under the threat of being hung, drawn and quartered.

@JStanley

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Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Fr....


I think this quote is often misused or applied in a sense. I believe Franklin was talking about complete government control of an individual's life. Providing a nanny state for the people. Thomas Jefferson refers to this when he said " A government large enough to give you every thing you need is big enough to take everything you have."

Wiht that said, the quotation can be applied to personal security when government takes away the right of self defense (right to bear arms, property rights and protection of one's property) and replaces it with government provided police state for everyday living instead of the defense of the national as a whole.

Sun Tzu...

"If the campaign is protracted the resources of the state will not be equal to the strain"

"There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare."

America having enjoyed it's prolonged episode of "free evil" debt based warfare, now cower in fear when the warfare comes home to them. Welcome America, you are the new enemy of the state. Now shut up and eat your peas.

"Pray the Peak Oil will bring this down ... it's about the only rational hope remaining."

Don't forget about the bond market.

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In practice ... You better be willing to kill and be killed yourself, for in practice the boys in blue will hunt you down and beat the crap out of you if you dare lay a hand on the king's guard. If you actually kill one of them, well the entire force will hunt you down and kill you - after all you are a cop killer.

In Mexico they don't just kill cops, they kill your girlfriend, wife, kids, parents, etc if you are a cop or an enemy. That's why entire city PDs just up and quit. Not worth the hassle.

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There are 300 million of us and only 538 of them.

The problem is that of those 300 million, maybe 10% have some awareness of what is going on. And they are scattered.

The other 290 million are the ones who happily keep reelecting the likes of Lindsay Graham, John McCain, Nancy Pelosi, etc, etc, ad nauseum.

So many are afraid of the next Hitler if violence is used. And yet he is emerging anyways. Too much "logic" can be a bad thing at times. That raw inner gut feeling is rarely wrong. We just need the courage to act.