Oh Oh. "Regulated" Derivative Markets About To Blow Up?
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Posted 2011-11-17 14:21
by Karl Denninger
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Oh Oh. "Regulated" Derivative Markets About To Blow Up?
 

This is getting bad....

Dear Clients, Industry Colleagues and Friends of Barnhardt Capital Management,

It is with regret and unflinching moral certainty that I announce that Barnhardt Capital Management has ceased operations. After six years of operating as an independent introducing brokerage, and eight years of employment as a broker before that, I found myself, this morning, for the first time since I was 20 years old, watching the futures and options markets open not as a participant, but as a mere spectator.

The reason for my decision to pull the plug was excruciatingly simple: I could no longer tell my clients that their monies and positions were safe in the futures and options markets – because they are not.And this goes not just for my clients, but for every futures and options account in the United States. The entire system has been utterly destroyed by the MF Global collapse. Given this sad reality, I could not in good conscience take one more step as a commodity broker, soliciting trades that I knew were unsafe or holding funds that I knew to be in jeopardy.

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I have learned over the last week that MF Global is almost certainly the mere tip of the iceberg.There is massive industry-wide exposure to European sovereign junk debt. While other firms may not be as heavily leveraged as Corzine had MFG leveraged, and it is now thought that MFG’s leverage may have been in excess of 100:1, they are still suicidally leveraged and will likely stand massive, unmeetable collateral calls in the coming days and weeks as Europe inevitably collapses. I now suspect that the reason the Chicago Mercantile Exchange did not immediately step in to backstop the MFG implosion was because they knew and know that if they backstopped MFG, they would then be expected to backstop all of the other firms in the system when the failures began to cascade – and there simply isn’t that much money in the entire system. In short, the problem is a SYSTEMIC problem, not merely isolated to one firm.

Oh boy.

Look folks, the risks involved here are real

Rick Santelli was just on CNBC pointing out that there have been no answers forthcoming on the MF Global mess.  There are reports that several people who you would never expect to have gotten caught in something like this did, including Gerald Celente.

The reason they got caught is the same reason I would have gotten caught if I had been clearing through MF Global: Despite being around the markets since well before the 2000 crash and having successfully negotiated that and the 2008 mess everyone has believed, right up until MF blew up, that customer funds were in fact segregated and thus this risk would never occur.

Simply put everyone has now discovered that this assumption is wrong.

Nothing that has come out of the CME, the SEC or Washington DC that has restored my confidence that MF Global is, in fact, a one-off situation.  In point of fact The Fed is now requiring margin on certain repo transactions where they never did before, implying that there may well be additional snakes in the grass and additional unrecognized and intentionally hidden risks of this sort.

Read Ann's entire missive.  Yes, it's highly partisan, but given what has just happened and Obama's continued insistence that "no crimes were committed" (yet no grand juries have been convened to investigate, so how would he know?) it is entirely justified.

Folks, we must insist that the rule of law be brought back into the forefront.  We must do this particularly with credit instruments and other OTC derivatives and that has to happen right now.  In addition all off-balance sheet BS must be ended immediately.

I have, since 2007, advocated that all credit instruments be forced onto an exchange and that cash margin be required on all underwater positions, marked nightly, without exception or offset.  This has been "poo-pooed" as impractical due to bespoke contracts and other considerations.

Now it turns that I was in fact right - there were additional "snakes" in the grass that were cheating.  First we had ENRON, then Bear and Lehman and now this.

Here's reality folks: We either fix this problem and do it now or you had better pray that Europe doesn't detonate, because if it does you're going to see the very thing that everyone was talking about back in 2008 happen on a global scale, it's a hundred times the size that Lehman was, and we will not be immune to it here in the United States -- in fact we'll damn near be the "center of the sun!"

There is the potential for an imminent cascade failure on these contracts just as there was in 2008; it has not gone away, it has not been attenuated, it has in fact grown in size since 08 and if we do not act to put a stop to it and the risk becomes realized it will be too late.

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I remain baffled as to why anyone continues to deal with any major financial company at all. The only surprise for me with MF Global is that it took anybody with more than a passing interest in the markets by surprise.

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I highly doubt that Washington will throw Jon ****ing Corzine to the wolves. He's a made man.

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The truth is - everyone in America is going to lose most of everything they have in the coming ****storm, one way or another.

We'll be lucky to escape with our lives.


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Coming from someone who is in the game and yet to be harmed this is an eye opener. She must not be in the "in crowd".

Sounds scared ****less to me..

"It is my recommendation that ALL customers withdraw from all of the markets as soon as possible so that they have the best chance of protecting themselves and their equity."

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Gen,
Can you break this down a little bit more for those of us less versed in the markets.
My understanding was that this problem was related to the futures markets and those on margin.
Are you saying that if I own options (not on margin) in my brokerage account, that there could be a possibility they would just get yanked away???
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Got any cash in that account?

Not any more...

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Ya know, those crazy-assed survivalist nut-jobs who buried specie in their backyards "just in case" are looking saner every minute. Yes, Virginia, the sky is falling.

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@steinbeck - the bottom line is that customer account segregation cannot be relied upon and that ANY money you hold in ANY institution is going to be subject to effectively total loss if the institution goes down. Maybe you get 10 cents on the dollar, minus lawyer fees, five years hence - if you're lucky.


edit: by the way, I in no way believe that this kind of risk is limited to options/futures markets. I believe it exists even with your simple savings accounts - after all, the FDIC is instantly broke if even a medium-sized consumer bank goes down.

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yeah, but she's not sane.

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Rolled out of the markets in 2009 in my hobby accounts and the 401K's but in the retirement accounts the cash is still there... Wondering if I should "borrow from myself" and just have the "note" sit there in my account?
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This might be the black swan where the government offers you special "retirement bonds" with what remains of your 401k.

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Celente Speaks. Boy is he*****ed.

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Gen - Surprised you didn't use her ending in your post.

"Finally, I will not, under any circumstance, consider reforming and re-opening Barnhardt Capital Management, or any other iteration of a brokerage business, until Barack Obama has been removed from office AND the government of the United States has been sufficiently reformed and repopulated so as to engender my total and complete confidence in the government, its adherence to and enforcement of the rule of law, and in its competent and just regulatory oversight of any commodities markets that may reform. So long as the government remains criminal, it would serve no purpose whatsoever to attempt to rebuild the futures industry or my firm, because in a lawless environment, the same thievery and fraud would simply happen again, and the criminals would go unpunished, sheltered by the criminal oligarchy."

Wow!!
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What about the $75 trillion of derivatives that BAC transferred from their Merrill subsidiary to their retail banking subsidiary.

Who gets to make them good should they be called on?

The FDIC is broke. They have a credit line to the US Treasury, but it has to be repaid from banking industry assessments.

Ruh Roh!!
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The panic will come quick when the public starts realizing their account statements which they thought represents their wealth is just worthless paper.

Your wealth gone in an instant.

That feeling is going to suck.




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Running this by a friend who has a seat on the CBOT

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Celente (for instance) wasn't "dealing with" a major financial company. He was using a smaller one - BUT THEY WERE USING MF at least for those portions of their activities that included his account(s).

The RISK is not isolated or knowable at this time.

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So, there really is no way to play the markets anymore. You could be the world's best trader only to wake up one morning to find out your account has been zeroed out?

Obviously, once the dominoes start to topple, it will spready quickly and we get to the idea that you can be right about DOW 3,000; however there would be no way to collect that bet.

I'm guessing the only alternative right now is to take our chips off the table and go home?
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yeah, but she's not sane.


This is the same woman who burned the Koran after bookmarking it with bacon right? She had a pretty harsh youtube video out a bit ago railing on muslims and basing a lot of her evidence on Christianity. Not saying it's bad but it was a pretty extreme video.

Anyone hear about her trading success prior to this?

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One thing I have learned from 2007-2008 just when it looks like the end is near it really is not. The timeframe gets stretched out much further than you would logically expect.

The conclusion is easy to come to, its the timing of that conclusion that is difficult. Based off this info, the SP500 should probably retest the lows. However, blindly shorting it can lead to much pain along the way. Its not until the final panic that it seems easy.
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I've already said this a few times. I don't have ANY financial products other than my 403 that I can't get out without quitting my job. I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to quit my job so that I can protect my retirement fund.

Financial products are now, like was hinted at above, totally untrustable and sold by thieves.

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The only way this nonsense stops is if the derivatives blow up and takes the whole thing down. How many people are being jailed?

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Got any cash in that account?

Not any more...


Sorry but I don't understand what your comment to Steinbeck means?

Karl I don't do options and was all cash (Money Market Funds) but became concerned a month ago when there were references to MM might be invested in some of this foreign debt so I moved everything to short term treasuries to try and protect myself. Hopefully I did the right thing.

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