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Z_trader
Posts: 12
Incept: 2010-08-04
Huntington Beach, CA
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Wow! Great clip.
Thanks for posting it.
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Godot
Posts: 670
Incept: 2008-03-03
Oz
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If they want a true democracy, then they want to overturn our form of government, which is a republic.
They have big money behind them. And they are the public face of the Obama reelection juggernaut.
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Abn0rmal
Posts: 9261
Incept: 2009-01-10
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Godot wrote..then they want to overturn our form of government, which is a republic. No, our form of government is a fascist oligarchy. There's a two hundred year old piece of paper sitting in a museum that describes a republican form of government but wishing or pretending that the current form of government is more than superficially related to the idea described on that paper doesn't make it so. |
Buddy
Posts: 157
Incept: 2008-10-25
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It looks like part of the commercial endorses a progressive tax and more money into education, without any official formal demands by OWS. Some of the specifics in the commercial marginalize the movement, and make it easier to co-opt; likely by democrats. My opinion only.
And I think it is ironic that in the initial demands that have not yet been formally agreed upon, they want money out of politics, yet this commercial costs money and the remarks considering taxes and education are political and ENDORSED BY THIS OWS AD.
Reason: additon
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Swingtrader
Posts: 9108
Incept: 2007-08-12
United Oligarchic Goldman Sachs States of America
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sure as hell looks like a political ad to me.
Not only that, looks quite slick and well thought out.
Very professionally done.
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Swing said "Well, it is collapsing as we watch.This is what it looks like." Australian federal judge Jayne Jagot, doing what US judges need to do!
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Pika-steph
Posts: 54705
Incept: 2007-09-11
Live Free Or Die; US Army Est. 1775
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Abn0rmal wrote..No, our form of government is a fascist oligarchy.
There's a two hundred year old piece of paper sitting in a museum that describes a republican form of government but wishing or pretending that the current form of government is more than superficially related to the idea described on that paper doesn't make it so. ^^^^THIS!!!^^^^
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Stop the Looting; Start Prosecuting - http://www.FedUpUSA.org/ "The only regulation that really works is failure."--Rick Santelli
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Vegasradar
Posts: 8666
Incept: 2007-07-11
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Abn0rmal wrote..
No, our form of government is a fascist oligarchy.
There's a two hundred year old piece of paper sitting in a museum that describes a republican form of government but wishing or pretending that the current form of government is more than superficially related to the idea described on that paper doesn't make it so.
AGREE W/PIKA— THIS ^^^^^^^ HOW THE **** DO WE GET BACK TO THIS ^^^^^^^ THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW!
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Be the change you want to see in the world. ~Mahatma Gandhi
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Godot
Posts: 670
Incept: 2008-03-03
Oz
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abn0rmal, you are perpetuating a lie. Our government, as practiced, illegally and illegitamately, is an oligarchy. Our system of government, as written in our constitution, but which is not practiced, is a republic.
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Vernonb
Posts: 398
Incept: 2009-06-03
State College, PA
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Every time I hear the term "Economic Justice" and "provided (governmental) healthcare" I know that I'm dealing Marxists.
What I want is justice to be served for the acts of fraud committed by the criminal oligarchy called bankers and currency debasement by the "Fed".
There is no doubt in my mind that this a hijack attempt.
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"The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience.”
-Alber Camus (1913-1960)
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Hugodnaranja
Posts: 1
Incept: 2011-10-15
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"What's this look like to you?"
A blue screen setup, Karl.
An obvious blue screen, too.
Make of it what you will, but it isn't authentic. It's after-the-fact off-site commentary by... someone.
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Genesis
Posts: 130717
Incept: 2007-06-26
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So what? 99% of all "paid political commercials" are exactly that.
You're missing the point.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me
Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.
What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Abn0rmal
Posts: 9261
Incept: 2009-01-10
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Godot wrote..Our government, as practiced, illegally and illegitamately, is an oligarchy. Our system of government, as written in our constitution, but which is not practiced, is a republic. As long as we can agree that there's an enormous gap between the reality of the present situation and the ideal which you propose that the government conform to... If you would have said that the form of government should be a republic I'd disagree with your opinion but not your right to have one. When you say that the form of government is a republic you're making a statement of fact that's subject to being challenged on the grounds of being false (not in accordance with reality). |
Fraudster
Posts: 4173
Incept: 2011-05-10
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Not sure I agree with everything in the clip, but I am especially heartened by the direction that OWS is going. This has the makings of a legitimate third party, that the Tea Party had the opportunity to be and squandered.
PS - Spare me the hate posts. The tea party has been a colossal FAIL IMHO
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"Let China sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"Circulation ceases first at the outer edges [Europe and Japan]. It will take a while yet for the decay to reach the heart [America]." - Foundation & Empire by Isaac Asimov
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Spence
Posts: 2548
Incept: 2009-09-11
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The thing that really bothers me about this is either way, we are moving further away from meritocracy. Communism, true democracy and fascism all move away from meritocracy.
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Rickl
Posts: 1226
Incept: 2009-03-08
Pennsylvania
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Quote:I want rich Americans to be taxed higher, and that money to go to education. Screw that. There's too much money in "education" as it is. I want to get the government the hell out of it.
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We are so far past and beyond the “long train of abuses and usurpations” that the Colonists and Founders experienced and which necessitated the Revolutionary War that they aren’t even visible in the rear-view mirror.
~ Ann Barnhardt
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Sheepdog
Posts: 3
Incept: 2010-06-12
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"The confusion came when people began inquiring about “our” ads and questioning “our” funding and motives for these ads. To clarify, we never had anything to do with the production or funding of these ads, so the inquiries caught us off guard.
Occupy Together has no access to who contributed money for these ads or how much they cost to run because we were not involved in the organizing, production, or funding of this project in any way. Any questions regarding these spots should be directed towards the individuals who produced and promoted them or to Loudsauce. Again, we have no access to any of these records because we have not been involved in their creation."
I went to the Occupytogether web site and copied the above portion (there's more) of the statement about the "ad". Just like the black shirts in Oakland, there are multitudes of questions about this ad and the ultimate purpose.
BTW, anyone know if the "three strikes" law giving life imprisonment even for minor offenses applies to protesters? I live in California so may want to stay home. The prison industry has lots of political clout here.
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Rickl
Posts: 1226
Incept: 2009-03-08
Pennsylvania
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I wonder if "Occupy Together" has something in common with "Tea Party Patriots" and "Tea Party Express".
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We are so far past and beyond the “long train of abuses and usurpations” that the Colonists and Founders experienced and which necessitated the Revolutionary War that they aren’t even visible in the rear-view mirror.
~ Ann Barnhardt
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Zzt
Posts: 3036
Incept: 2007-06-26
Glendale az
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A third party which has not yet matured and gained strength will only serve to split the vote and re elect Obama in my opinion.
The third party 2012 goal should be to place members in Congress ( under their own name and not as a subset of the Republican Party ) , exert power there and grow in the future. 2012 is too early for a third party to be a legitimate Presidential contender unless there is a huge increase in backing demonstrated in the next year.
Unless something unusual happens , 2016 would be the earliest I see a third party having a chance to win the Presidency. Establish themselves and make gains in 2012 with an eye on 2016.
I have called for a third party for over 2 decades and have more than once willingly thrown my vote away on an unelectable candidate. I will not do it in the coming general election because I view this election as pivotal and too important. Unless I see clear evidence of a third parties viability I will not vote for any third party Presidential candidate. However I am more than willing to vote for third party candidates in lower offices.
In short , I believe voting for a nascent , immature third party Presidential candidate is rash and a vote for Obama.
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Rickl
Posts: 1226
Incept: 2009-03-08
Pennsylvania
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Zzt: A left-leaning third party would actually siphon votes away from Obama. If Ralph Nader hadn't run in 2000, Gore would probably have won.
I'm so disgusted with the Republican choices this time around that I'm actually considering voting Libertarian. I've done it before.
There is one--and only one--person who could make a credible third party run in 2012. But that would be an extraordinarily dangerous strategy; comparable to a Hail Mary pass in the closing seconds of a football game.
Nevertheless, we live in dangerous times. America may need a Hail Mary pass.
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We are so far past and beyond the “long train of abuses and usurpations” that the Colonists and Founders experienced and which necessitated the Revolutionary War that they aren’t even visible in the rear-view mirror.
~ Ann Barnhardt
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R12p
Posts: 65
Incept: 2008-02-02
SouthEast
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“I want!” The variety of wants seem to suggest an appeal of a broad spectrum. Most of them are economically centered with some attempt to capture emotion.
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Barry_m_deeper
Posts: 40
Incept: 2010-10-17
Chicago
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The good news is that OWS is being co-opted because it is seen as successful. You know the saying ... Success has a thousand fathers, while failure is a bastard.
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Mo
Posts: 12158
Incept: 2007-06-26
Pa.
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Were a candidate to emerge who advocated jailing bankers rather than bonusing them, I'd vote for him/her and I'd bet he'd win against the Republicrats.
I don't care if said candidate is a chimp, he'd win.
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Welcome to Pottersville
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Morla
Posts: 815
Incept: 2009-11-09
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Eh, the ad is well done, but "tax the rich and have the money.. 'go to education'"? I sure hope she's not talking about college education.. Tax the rich all you want but someone needs to sit these kids down and explain to them that throwing more money at education is just digging their own financial graves. Government money, special (and fairly recent) bankruptcy exclusion of college debt, and backstops (promises of bailouts) are the only reasons tuitions ever rose to where kids need these huge loans in the first place, believe me what you want in education is less money, way less money. Less money pulled forward from the future, specifically.
You may recall the last time institutions were lending with wild abandon thanks to there being no risk to themselves (that time thanks to securitization *cough*fraud*cough*).. I defy any liberal to explain how limitless government money in college education is a good idea without throwing their Econ 101 textbook out the window in the process. This is not speculation, government money in college education is currently unlimited. If you're willing and able to accept the debt they have and endless spigot of it ready to go. Who cares if you'll ever be able to pay it off? They're backstopped!
Trust me on this, the democrats aren't any more like what they pretend to be than the republicans.. They may promise they're helping you by*****ing money at something, but you should approach such claims by any politician with critical thought and some healthy skepticism.
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Fear of govt IS the government.. Statism is a pack of unbacked threats; If govt gets out of control, ignore it and go about life as you see fit. Where's your crown, King Nothing?
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Pondmaster
Posts: 114
Incept: 2009-06-30
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Line up of presidential candidates ? "Meet the New Boss , Same as the old boss"!
I can't believe that anyone in this nation , who is aware of the graft and corruption in the polito/financial realm , would be willing to vote for ANY OF THE HACKS , that the system is presenting to us . There is no one offered who has a clue .( That is why they were chosen ) More of the same for 4 yrs again. Do you think our current system is going to put forward a man/ woman who will do whats right for the people . This includes those in Congress and Senate. Traitors almost to the man , worshippers of power and the buck . Disdaining the very folk that have or may place them in power . I will not be voting for the lesser of two/three evils . That is what is really the waste . NO VOTE for the same ole bosses !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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