Nashvillian

On the MLK deal. As you say it was before your time.

I would urge you to go back and do some primary research in the newspapers of the time and the 5-10 years leading up to the MLK times.

You may find that MLK has been "whitewashed" to fit the "PC" of the times.

Some lived parts of it and I can tell you there was plenty of violence to go around.

In fact some would argue that the "choice" to "give in" to MLK was to try to avoid further escalation of violence.

Power does not give up willingly. It's a nice fantasy , but it's not true here or anywhere.

In the end it may seem so, but heads were busted before that end.

p.s. you and many others under 40 have not seen commies or hippies like the ones that were in that movement.

"im a peace loving guy but please count me in 'the denninger brigade'
i'm with you - in come hell or high water"

Me too! Glad that I lived long enough to witness!

How do you clean up broken windows and paint defaced property?

*All that is happening is our fault; the People have allowed it to happen;
Great admission , truly amazes me they added this in - Excellent !!


Step Two !

Came to believe that a power greater than ourselves ( All the collective American peoples putting an end to the theft, graft and corruption oozing from the pores of U.S. Politicians and Banksters ) COULD RESTORE our country to sanity !!

I'm in now !!

This movement is still a mish mash.. but if they are actively removing the trouble makers, then there is some hope. But I don't recall any violent activities at any of the TP protests. It begs the question, "Is a little ruckus necessary?".

I see this movement splitting into some smaller factions with similar initial goals and very different long term goals.

I'll be keeping my eye on it.

Agree on MLK. There was a lot - a LOT - of violence, riots, beatings, murders, etc. perpetrated by those on the side of "civil rights" during the 60s - which included a large share of Maoists, Leninists, Communists, Stalinists (!) and "deep green" eco-loonies. MLK was merely the face that we choose to show in school and we dumped a giant bucket of lily-white paint on him before we did so. The philandering, plagiarism, and the fact that he had his own heavily armed bodyguard goon squad are all swept under the rug. In my opinion, knowing these things makes him more human and doesn't diminish his accomplishments in the least.

live video feed footage:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katehicks/2....

sorry, i have defended the OWS movement previously, but they are quickly degenerating into something else, at least in oakland.

i am thinking that their agenda is not the same as mine-which is stopping the corruption, putting america first, and getting our fiscal house in order. i am seeing more and more of the "bring down the system" people. i don't think americans want the system brought down, understanding when that happens people will suffer, starve and sometimes die.

i think most americans just want things fixed and operating ethically-and it actually could happen.

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This movement is still a mish mash.. but if they are actively removing the trouble makers, then there is some hope. But I don't recall any violent activities at any of the TP protests.

Actually, there have been several, including some SERIOUS felonies. The news media has buried them.

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Agree on MLK. There was a lot - a LOT - of violence, riots, beatings, murders, etc. perpetrated by those on the side of "civil rights" during the 60s - which included a large share of Maoists, Leninists, Communists, Stalinists (!) and "deep green" eco-loonies. MLK was merely the face that we choose to show in school and we dumped a giant bucket of lily-white paint on him before we did so. The philandering, plagiarism, and the fact that he had his own heavily armed bodyguard goon squad are all swept under the rug. In my opinion, knowing these things makes him more human and doesn't diminish his accomplishments in the least.

Yep. And the fact of the matter is that the outcome was POSITIVE.

Can anyone rationally -- really -- argue otherwise?

Incidentally, how many people know that MLK actually threatened the President of the United States to his face with a shutdown via "occupation" (e.g. come, stay, **** you we ain't leaving) of DC?

Go look it up - it really happened.

He was still right and he himself and the movement itself was non-violent. That doesn't mean there weren't violent hangers-on both within and as "provocateurs" - there were, and not all of them were demonstrators - there were plenty of KKK types and cops who beat the **** out of the demonstrators including King himself.

But his premise was "I have these rights and I intend to exercise them with 100,000 of my closest friends", and he did so until the government cracked and recognized the rights he already had.

How far removed is OWS from this?

If you're honest about what's going on here, the answer is "not that far."

of course, it isn't all violence.

here is the lighter side of the movement with stephen colbert:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert....

I was annoyed by the propagandists... now I'm just amused.

So you want to depend on mainstream media -- or even worse, partisan media like FOX "News?"

Go ahead -- depend on them.

If their coverage of OWS is 100% accurate without an agenda, their coverage of everything else must be too, right?

Yes, it must.

So OWS is communist...

And it has never been a better time to buy a house! FOX says so! So what are you waiting for? Go buy a house with a 0% down mortgage! Interest rates have never been better, and when the Republicans retake the White House, the economy will skyrocket. Your home will be worth millions!

Make sure you fill that home with lots of brand new, high end furniture. Well, as Herman Cain notes, if you're hard-working, you'll never be out of work -- so why worry? Citibank or Bank of America will give you 0% interest for 18 months, and as a hardworking American, you don't need to worry about being laid off or having your income reduced. Spend away for what you want!

New cars are exciting. Why not get one? With 0% financing for 60 months, that new car you've always wanted is closer than ever before. Yesterday, I saw a news article praising the latest super-efficient V6 engines from Chrysler and Ford... why not get that Chrysler 300 you've always wanted, brand new? It's a great time to buy, the media said so!

Oh, and make sure to load up on stocks, too. As the mainstream media's Jim Cramer notes, Groupon is a BUY! Make sure to fill your retirement account up with that stock -- I'm sure it will do spectacularly!

Wait... what? You don't believe any of that? Oh, so FOX is only accurate on the stuff that confirms your personal biases, you say? Oh gotcha.

Brian... that is f'ing brilliant. +1