So Obama Said....
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Posted 2011-10-08 12:39
by Karl Denninger
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So Obama Said....
 

the other day that "What Wall Street did was immoral, but it wasn't illegal" in response to a question about why nobody had gone to jail.

Really Mr. President?  None of the following is illegal?

  • Laundering drug money.  Wachovia admitted to doing it in court.  They got a "deferred prosecution agreement" and not only did nobody go to jail nobody other than a few bloggers like myself raised hell about it until days before that agreement expired.  Then, magically, it got news coverage.  This is a clear black-letter felony; where are the handcuffs?

  • The former chief risk officer for Citifinancial testified under oath before the FCIC that the company knowingly sold loans on to investors that did not meet their quality guidelines and published claims. In fact, he testified that by 2007 80 percent of those loans were defective. This is functionally identical to selling you a car and rolling back the odometer, peddling tainted medicine or selling melamine-laced baby formula.  There is nothing complicated about this and there is under-oath testimony establishing that it was not an accident or an "error in judgment" as it continued for more than a year after it became known and was the subject of internal memos to corporate officers.  This is not my conjecture or analysis, it is factual sworn testimony before a government body.  Where are the damned handcuffs?

  • Ponzi Schemes generally.  Those are all illegal.  They locked Charlie up for it (the originator of the name, natch) and more recently Bernie Madoff went to prison.  Ok, Mr. President, how about all the stock analysts, the market callers, and pension fund managers along with the real estate industry that have been pumping 8, 10 or 11% annualized returns for the last three decades?  These claims are all pyramid schemes and thus by the very definition of such a scheme are illegal.  An 8% "annual return" for 45 years, the average working man's period of effort (20 to 65) produces a return of nearly 32 times the original amount invested.  The 9% growth rate of medical cost over the last year (close to the premium increases over the last decade in annualized terms) for the person of age 50 that the government claims "will not see their Medicare harmed" has the annual cost of their medical insurance (assuming no increase due to age or greater risk) go from $5,000 a year to $100,000 by the time they're 85!  The claims of Realtors that home prices would go up 10% "for the indefinite future" turns a $150,000 house into a $4.21 million house in 35 years.  None of this was ever going to actually happen, and it still won't.  Why did Charles Ponzi and Bernie Madoff go to prison when your administration, every member of Congress, those on Wall Street and otherwise in the "finance and investment" business community have not for the exact same offense?

  • Jefferson County Alabama jailed several politicians and others for bribery and other crimes related to the infamous "sewer bond" nonsense.  Why have no bankers gone to prison?  It takes two people to commit bribery and similar offenses - someone who offers a bribe, and someone who accepts a bribe.  One party went to prison while the other did not.  No crimes in this case among the banksters?  Pull the other one Mr. President; the damage here remains in that the water bills of these residents remains at ridiculously elevated levels as the financial harm done to the county was not forcibly returned from those banksters.

  • Perjury is a felony in most circumstances.  Banksters admitted to more than 100,000 instances of it by withdrawing perjured ("robosigned") affidavits. Just as with the testimony under oath in the case of Citifinancial, just as in the Wachovia admission of drug money laundering, in this case the violation of the law is clear.  Perjury can only be cured at "no penalty" up until it is clear that the defective statement or filing will be discovered; once you're "caught" you cannot avoid liability by withdrawing the filing.  Whether someone was paying their mortgage or not is immaterial as to whether filing a false affidavit is a criminal matter -- it is.  Again, where are the damned handcuffs?

  • Sarbanes-Oxley criminalized false accounting statements.  There have been multiple bank failures by public companies that filed balance sheets under penalty of criminal prosecution were they to be false just weeks before they blew up -- balance sheets that showed perfectly-healthy institutions.  The FDIC has documented dozens of bank failures, privately-held and publicly-traded, where those balance sheets were proved factually false, as the losses have been 20, 30, 40% or even more just a few weeks later.   It is beyond comprehension that the assets in question could have actually lost 30 or 40% of their value within that period of time.  The only rational explanation is that these financial statements were a work of fiction.  Sarbanes-Oxley makes this a criminal matter.  Again, where are the handcuffs?

I and many other bloggers and "alternative media outlets" have spent four years documenting these outrages and showing through simple mathematical analysis that the claims made by these charlatans, including yourself Mr. President, are mathematically impossible.  That's the definition of a pyramid scheme.  They're illegal because they cannot, mathematically, work.  It is therefore illegal to hawk them to the public because they are by definition abusive; they will ultimately result in those who believe in them losing their money.

Your claim, Mr. President, that these acts were "morally repugnant but not illegal" is a lie.  The simple fact of the matter is that your administration is intentionally refusing to enforce long-standing law and by doing so you and your administration have lent official support to an organized effort to defraud and rob the American public.

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Pika-steph
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Now, now Karl. Obama is right. These things are NOT illegal - at least not for the TBTF banks. They're only illegal for We The People. There are one set of rules for the Banks and another for the Peasants.

Please report to reeducation camp.

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Two options
Its lie or Prosecute.

I've been trying to pass on your message.


The OWS movement are full of people who need to learn and want to learn.
Use this gathering to teach them.

They need to learn the message that Karl has been preaching.

THE CONSEQUENCES OF EXPONENTIAL GROWTH, AND LEVERAGING.

Do your part to pass on what Karl has taught you and soon they will know what has to be done.

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I don't know why anybody would expect anything but more and more bull**** out of obama.

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^^^^^^^ THis

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When OWS calls out Obama and Holder on this, then I'll be impressed. They want things to change on Wall Street, they want prosecutions? Well the POTUS just said No! And I haven't seen anything on the OWS website main page calling O out on it.


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Thanks for collecting these. It is the kind of list we need to have mentally at the ready in this environment.

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Only the little people, commit Ponzi fraud.........
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Corrupt puppet.

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The President is a professional liar.

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You forgot this one.

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The mortgages being not up to the advertised standards and the manufactured notes are surfacing in reports by the inspector-general of the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac regulators.

The knowledge was there circa 2003.

FNM and FRE were private corporations then. It was in their own interest to hide this evidence as long as possible.

The Obama Regime is giving them a pass as well. This is after the corporations have been taken over by the Treasury.

When commentators claim the TARP funds have been repaid.... not so. The bad assets were just purchased by the Federal Reserve.

Corrupt in all ways possible.
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Asinov said:

"I don't know why anybody would expect anything but more and more bull**** out of obama."


Breaks my heart, but I have to agree with you!

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As Mark Twain put it: "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."
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"When commentators claim the TARP funds have been repaid.... not so. The bad assets were just purchased by the Federal Reserve."

Marvin Martian,

Not only that (we all know the story), but even the narrow claim that the Wall St. portion of TARP has been paid back or that we (sic) "made money" off the bank bailout, is factually wrong.

As of last week, 122B of TARP funds remain outstanding. Including all income from the program, we are still 95B in the hole. More to the point, AIG still owes us 50B in TARP funds. And where did that 50B go? Of course, straight to the banks that paid back the TARP money -- but they paid it back with AIG's TARP money. The 10B or so we've gotten in interest from the TBTF banks is dwarfed by the 50B AIG still owes us.

To say that the TARP has been paid back or that the bank bailout made money (as Erin Burnett did the other day) is simply a lie. Not saying that anyone here makes that claim, but let's be clear about what a stark lie it is.

As my friend Mark McHugh wrote last year:

"All profits from TARP are required to go toward paying down the national debt, right? (FYI that's true) Do you know how much we paid down the national debt since TARP was signed into law?

NEGATIVE THREE TRILLION DOLLARS!!!"

More here: http://dailybail.com/home/memo-to-erin-b....
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Obama's only priority at this point is getting reelected. Nothing else matters.

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Great list! Karl.

fraud here
fraud there
pretty soon we're talking about some serious ...

Get this done folks.

Good luck with OWS, (really) hopefully i won't have to watch it on aljazeera!

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NEGATIVE THREE TRILLION DOLLARS!!!"


Good call Clawback. I so wanted to slap down that comment. Wish I was that guy, but I would have said 4 TRILLION so blow me.

Have a great and safe night all.


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Smacktle: +1000


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Here is a link to Thursday's press conference, in which Jake Tapper asks Obama about not prosecuting Wall Street executives, and Obama says that a lot of that stuff wasn't necessarily illegal! (I'm thinking that this was what Karl was referring to in the article.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0T2J2Tb5....

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Agree, KD. I, too, heard the corrupt puppet defend his cronies with lies and promptly

smiley smiley smiley smiley smiley smiley smiley smiley smiley smiley

my guts out.

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Obama has bankster gonads slapping his chin every single day.

That's his job. That's why he was hired.

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This needs to be sent to anyone that shows interest in the occupy wall street thing. If they are Obama followers just imply Obama can't go against the banks without their support.

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Karl, if what you say is true, and I believe it is, this sounds like a violation of the RICO Act. We need some of these people in jail which will require more guards, and that means more JOBS. See everyone wins.smiley

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Another term to run out the statute of limitations?
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Here's a Real News piece on Occupy D.C. There is some footage of a guy named David Swanson who is articulate and seems to "get it". I hope he gets more media attention.

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?opti....

My personal take is that there are more and more people who are making their way to an understanding that government is a wealth redistribution (or sustenance redistribution) machine, not a wealth/sustenance creation factory. When they get to the point that they engage on an ownership basis, as in "I worked for that money, I will help decide how it is distributed.", then we can expect a greater cohesion and intelligent application of democratic principles.

It is so good to see the supine citizenry begin to shake off the fog of sleep.
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