IgnorantSavage: I'm not able to bring up the video here right now, but otherwise those links are the first I've heard of any .mil involvement, though I would caution you that the waters are a bit murkier than they appear:

1. The units mentioned in the link were all NG units and were not federalized, this puts a hole in your logic below the waterline that "the Feds" were all to blame.

2. You'll note that the orders for confiscation were issued by the NOLA Police superintendant, a local official, not by the Feds. There's another hole under the waterline.

3. Also of note, while my initial statement said "None," you'll also notice that I clarified later in the post that I was unaware of any .mil involvement based on the people I'd talked to. I backed that up with what I witnessed. If that makes me in error after you consider points #1 and #2 above, I apologize for being incorrect due to insufficient sample size.

4. Your source has some questionable abilities in the logic field. More specifically, he seems to have wrapped the tin foil a bit too tight. He claims, "The federal government (the military in particular) manufactured the Katrina disaster to commence combat operations on American citizens!" which is absolute bull**** unless you think we have a hurricane machine sitting around somewhere. If there is one, I'd love to get weapons qual'ed on it.

5. Your source also has a questionable background. I'm not going to **** on the militia folks as a whole, but my experience with senior "leadership" indicates that the quality of the leadership is an extreme crapshoot. Most sane folks I've either heard of, talked to, or known that have gone that route don't tout themselves as a Major General. Most of the guys using titles like that tend to be egomaniacs and are unreliable at best. Based on the guy's rhetoric in those links, I'm inclined to believe he went long on the tin foil and short on actual leadership ability.

6. Karl's statement about shooting is 100% accurate. I personally witnessed Ambulances, police vehicles, Humvees, and helos with holes curiously bullet shaped that I know weren't part of the manufacturing process. I'd also heard several pilots bitch about taking small arms fire over some of the more "ghetto" neighborhoods and the surrounding areas, this was backed up later when I overheard a conversation in the SAR cell concerning possibly warning pilots to expect small arms fire in certain areas. IIRC, this was quashed due to PAO concerns. Additionally, a marine I was eating dinner with on the messdeck stated that his patrol had come under fire earlier in the day.

The linked ABC video showing NG troops (military uniforms and military weapons in a military structure) going into houses; stating (not showing) troops arresting individuals and stealing their firearms (and subsequently releasing the defenseless individuals).

Pick all the nits you like, that's still military members confiscating firearms on US soil.

Glad to hear the active duty folk appear anecdotally resistant to the same.

Steph, it's nice that some troops refused. The ABC news video shows that some did not refuse and did confiscate firearms.

As for the site hosting the video, again, it was just the first site I found hosting it. I make no claim to support upon any statement they make as I didn't read them - I just scanned the site to find a specific clip that I already knew the contents of.

A 5.9 felt as far away as Iowa? Really?

Did the Fed release that Number? I find it hard to believe. Probably will be revised upward next month

East coast earthquakes are felt MUCH longer distances away from the epicenter than on the west coast because the bedrock isn't fractured all to hell with fault lines and hundreds of millions of years of powerful earthquakes. When the rock is broken up, the power of the quake can't transfer through it cleanly like it can with solid rock.

One of the many reasons New Madrid was such a nightmare!!

I'm in 6.0+ range of it, about 400 miles away.

A repeat of that one would be EPIC!! How Far, May I ask are you from Townsend??

Trauma: Had to look it up, about 75 miles. Closer to kingsport than anything else you might know nearby.

Thanks!! I Love that part of Tenn!! Have been there every year of my life!!

Asimov, you're a bit of a neighbor, a couple hours away from me. I didn't feel a thing today, I was playing foosball.

Looks like this hurricane is going to clean up NJ a little bit.

Saying 85 MPH when it gets to NYC Sunday night.

Coupled W/HIGH TIDE & a New Moon..
Add a couple of feet to the "Surge"...
As forcast Landfall as a Cat 2/low end Cat 3, Chesapeak/et al, yes possibly the DC/NYC area(s) also could see Significant "Surge"..

For a analog, (there isn't many), look @ the Long Island express,(1938ish if i recall?), though Irene will NOT have the same forward speed, or Bob..

yep..

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The New England Hurricane of 1938 (or Great New England Hurricane or Long Island Express or simply The Great Hurricane of 1938) was the first major hurricane to strike New England since 1869. The storm formed near the coast of Africa in September of the 1938 Atlantic hurricane season, becoming a Category 5 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale before making landfall as a Category 3 hurricane[1] on Long Island on September 21. The hurricane was estimated to have killed between 682 and 800 people,[2] damaged or destroyed over 57,000 homes, and caused property losses estimated at US$306 million ($ 4.77 billion in 2011).[3] Even as late as 1951, damaged trees and buildings were still seen in the affected areas.[4] To date it remains the most powerful, costliest and deadliest hurricane in New England history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_New_En....

2:45 AM 8/24/11, Joe Bastardi says the storm will track a little east of the GFS model but not enough to make a big difference to east coastal areas.

5AM Update Cone of uncertainty..

The earthquake exposed the new Bush's fault along the east coast..and Irene is a result of the Tea Party getting a hold of the Bush weather machine that he used to create Katrina. The one he created to kill black people....


It's that or as the commie Paul Krugman "Krugman(?): If only the earthquake had done more damage, the economy would have gotten a boost"

in the nature of the Keynesian model of stimulus we have the Parable of the broken window.....socialist model...break a window ...create a job BS ignoring ALL economic and math FACTS

Lets see .....the rates on the east coast for homeowners would necessarily skyrocket...like they did after 9/11.....oops socialist-economist Krugman forgot that little detail...

The jobs would have been temporary as things got fixed and the insurance money ran out.

So companies would have gone under if they didn't have enough insurance in these tough time .....can you say job LOSS...

Other companies would have had to lay off employees while the re-building took place.....

The "Cones of Uncertainy" look like they were drawn with a french curve.

The plotted course is devoid of randomness...

Watch out folks...

100 degree Fahrenheit weather from SD yesterday should blow to the east coast (2 days) just in time for arrival
providing a "certain" environment

upgraded to a CAT 3 hurricane with maximum sustained winds of 115 MPH

There really is no evidence that the .mil aided the government in the door to door confiscation of firearms. While people say their might have been a few outliers in the .mil, that is nothing more then conjecture, rumor without any evidence to back it up. IOW its BS until evidence is uncovered to support that accusation.

Therefore i conclude that it did not happen, and spreading that falsehood is, to be nice, a bit disingenuous.

We do have evidence that the cops executed what amounts to a door to door illegal search and seizure operation, who by all rights, should all have been shot in the fukking legs then, in full dress, stripped of their weapons, dropped off in banger territory. Else shoot them in the face. Either or im good with.

We also have evidence that the cops murdered people, blamed it on the black guy, and covered it up.

But zero evidence for any BS by the .mil....As for the NG.... well that is another matter.

So if you want a lesson on what happens in times of extreme stress, its not the .mil, but the cops that will murder you, arrest you without cause, steal your property and cover the whole thing up.

IOW they will do exactly what they do day to day as SOP.

Actually Low, we don't have evidence on the latter - we have PROOF, as those cops have now been found guilty of doing exactly that.

Lowbeyond wrote..

So if you want a lesson on what happens in times of extreme stress, its not the .mil, but the cops that will murder you, arrest you without cause, steal your property and cover the whole thing up.

^^ The moral of the story. Beware of your local cops and even perhaps (some of) your National Guard, but don't worry about the military.

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Djsnola: As someone who spent a month in downtown NOLA as part of the .mil response for Katrina starting less than 24-hours after the hurricane went through: You're welcome.

Before I "Thank you" for your charity, a few questions for you, Storm:

* Did you volunteer for those 4 weeks in New Orleans?
* Could you have declined to go to New Orleans?
* Did you perform your duties while there without pay?

If you answered yes, to any of the above, then indeed, "Thank You". If not, well, then I guess we all owe you a big "thanks for showing up to work!", and please drop your golden-paladin+300-honor-l33t-network-mil-skills BS. We're so grateful to all who helped after the storm. Relax, man.

I remember watching a "Disasters" show on TV a few years ago. One scenerio was a major hurricane hitting the DC area and the storm surge around the Potomac, and how the storm would travel straight up into PA. Then there was a part about how a major storm would affect NYC. Battery Park was under water.

I can't believe here in FL we are getting spared but now folks in NJ, PA, and even Boston are under the gun.

From what I've read, I'm pretty sure that the typical U.S. soldier conducting house searches in Iraq and Afghanistan treats the civilian inhabitants with more respect and deference than the typical police SWAT team treats American citizens.

That's because if they **** up they will get changed with murder.

In the US if a cop kills you, they get a paid vacation and a promotion while the blue line celebrates

Erica:
I don't remember whether I saw that same show or not. It's possible. I've lived in southeastern PA (just north of Philly) for most of my life, and while hurricanes are exceedingly rare around here, I know they're not impossible. Sooner or later one is going to come cruising right up Delaware Bay and score a direct hit. Whether it happens in my lifetime is another question.

Five years ago I had a leaky roof and called a roofer to fix it. Some of the plywood would have to be replaced in the areas where it was leaking, since the old plywood was rotted. The roofer mentioned that my house had been built with 1/2" or 5/8" plywood (I forget which), but that 3/4" was now the standard. After thinking it over, I decided to have the entire roof torn off and replaced. I had read about metal reinforcements holding the rafters to the wall studs, to prevent the whole roof from being peeled off by high winds. I think they're called tornado clips or hurricane straps. I'm sure they're standard in certain areas, but my house didn't have them. The contractor didn't try to sell them to me; I insisted on them.

There were several grades of shingles I could buy. I chose the top of the line shingles. They had a warranty for 110 mph winds. Reading the fine print in the warranty, it said that six nails per shingle were required for the warranty to be in effect. I asked the contractor about that and he said that he normally just used four. I insisted on six.

Two years ago I had several windows replaced. One of the options was heavy-duty impact resistant glass, which the brochure said was mainly used in hurricane-prone areas. I decided to get that as well, but in this case I was motivated more by security concerns than hurricanes.

So my inland Pennsylvania house might theoretically be able to withstand a Category 2 hurricane. I hope it isn't put to the test, though. A marginal Cat 1 would be exciting, but a Cat 2 would probably be pretty scary.

Wikipedia list of hurricanes and tropical storms that have affected Pennsylvania: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pen....

Probably the most famous was Hurricane Hazel in 1954. That was before I was born and before my house was built: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_H....