This Is What Happens When....
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Posted 2011-08-08 22:39
by Karl Denninger
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This Is What Happens When....
 

... confidence is lost.

After being down 634 points today the DOW futures are down 264 more overnight at this point, or approximately 900 points in less than 24 hours.

After being down a stunning 80 points today, the S&P futures are down another 28 overnight, or more than 100 in 24 hours.

Global confidence has been effectively shattered.  The outright lies of governments worldwide - that there was no need to de-lever, there was no need to take insolvent banks into receivership, we could spend more and more on "stimulus" programs along with social spending and that demand represented by deficit spending was all sustainable GDP - all is being exposed as an utter load of crap and the "valuations" these lies have supported are being systematically shredded.

There is no floor as things sit right now.  From a volumetric perspective we have broken key levels with the next serious support in the 900s on the S&P 500.

Price is now back to levels last seen in the early part of 2009 and if the market does not hold up there we are headed for the 666 lows and below.

This evening we are losing about ten points per hour in the overnight session, implying that we will lock-limit down at -50 on the S&P 500 before midnight!

The arrogance of our government - at all levels - has finally reached the point where the markets give the finger to it all.  What's worse is that it's not just us - it's also Europe, where the willful and intentional refusal to deal with the peripheral nations' problems have turned into a monstrous mess.

To put this in the proper perspective over the last ten trading days we have gone from 1328 on the S&P to 1081, a loss of nearly 19%!

The DOW has gone from 12458 to 10450 - a loss of nearly 20%.

The Russell is down more than 20%; that barrier, incidentally, defines a "Bear Market."

The panic is not confined to the US and Europe, however.  We are now generating the same sort of panic worldwide!

All of this compels one to ask: Is this "the one"?   The detonation of the markets that results in the recognized entry to the Second Great Depression?

In my opinion, no.

Could it be?  Yes.  But that's not the odds-on play here.

What I expected to see as indications in front of this decline didn't happen, and the breakdown appears to be more driven by Obama and our Congress than anything else, along with the ham-handed ECB crap of the last few days.

The bad news?  The number of stops that have been cleared out - the people who have wildly thrown stocks over the transom during this plunge has cleared out what would have been bids on the way down.  We're disgustingly oversold at this point to a degree that some of my daily indicators have a reading of "0" - something that I have seen only replicated briefly last summer and during the depths of the collapse in 2008.  Not even during the terminal decline of early 2009 were these indicators pinned on the floor.  They are now.

The more-likely path is that these oversold conditions will produce a monstrous reflex move higher.  But in doing so those who shorted the market late or who sold out in disgust will both be caught on the wrong side of the move, and once again serious amounts of market liquidity will be destroyed.

No, what I believe is coming is that bounce, and then, some time not far in the future, the next move down is the one that doesn't retrace.

Don't get complacent.  It will be easy to do, if I'm right.  You'll see 50, even 100 handles go on the S&P and perhaps as much as 500 or more points on the DOW.  You'll think "it's over" as there's a relentless climb back from what looks like a date with The Devil.

If you are unprepared for what comes after that you will be wiped out.

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Is Art Cashin gonna put the cap on again tomorrow?

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Hope you're right, Kden.
I have no desire to short this gihugeous hole.

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How about this scenario - Futures continue to crash after 8AM tomorrow and Obama & Co. panics and shuts down the markets prior to 9:30 opening. I do recall the markets being closed for a few days after the 9/11 attacks so could this be done again? Or just a temporary shutdown until Bernake says a few soothing (lying) words in the afternoon?
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Quote:


Futures continue to crash after 8AM tomorrow and Obama & Co. panics and shuts down the markets prior to 9:30 opening.



If futures are LLD, Obama & Co. do not have to do **** ... the markets won't open regardless.

They want to fix this tomorrow, here's the agenda:

9:30 AM - Obama speech ... "I resign"
9:32 AM - Timmah speech ... "I resign"
9:34 AM - Bernank speech ... "I resign"
9:36 AM - Boehner speech ... "I resign"

You get the picture ...

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Dead Cat bounce warning?

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Whole 2 years of gain and averaging buying, now shows negative as of today. Thanks %@#$.

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What I found interesting is that the low of the day today was also the closing number, to the penny.
So... the slide was still in progress and had further to go.
That can't be a good sign.

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Actually closing on the lows often leads to a nasty bounce. I generally prefer to close OFF the lows if I'm short into the bell.

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You're right, Irish, I forgot about that!
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Or it might not.

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They are holding candle light vigils and tossing teddy bears into piles over at BAC headquarters. Geithner showed up on Bloomberg tonight with a garlic bagel chip shaped like Jesus and said it was a sign from God and The Bernanke was seen throwing Malibue Barbie dolls in a barrel fire and mumbling jibberish just off K-Street, yea, they have a plan, they are going to do "something" I'm afraid.

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We got a pretty sharp rally from about 3pm to 3:30. That rally got sold into viciously.
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I don't see any avatars so either there's something wrong with my browser or else the system is running in high load mode. That doesn't normally happen at 10:00 pm.

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Look on the bright side, at least crude oil is falling:
http://www.sgxniftydowfutureslive.com/in....

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"normal" is pretty much out the window at this point

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Infidel...you really should become a writer and give up your day job. smiley

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You're right, Irish, I forgot about that!



Personally I don't think we get to LLD before open ... but if Obama, Bernanke, etc. closed the markets without meeting that condition (i.e. 9/11, LLD, etc.), they'd collapse any confidence that remains in the "free markets" today ...

They'd be officially announcing we're in the Greatest Depression ... (which most of us here already know and believe) ...

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If global confidence has in fact been shattered, why would there be a bounce here?

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I have a hunch she'll sell off hard on the open and then bounce hard after 30 min - like at the bottom in March 2009. Like to jump into some cat at $75 and get out at $85.
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the scary part is, if one of the TBTF (or Too Big To Save) banks goes tango-uniform tomorrow, then ALL bets will be off... no dead cat, dog or horse bounce on that kind of news...

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Genesis wrote..
This Is What Happens When....

Walter has this covered:



even though I've been waiting for this to unfold for years since joining the forum, it's still surreal watching the meltdown.

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Is it time to buy more canned goods yet?

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The last time I recall us being LLD [mid-2008?], the markets didn't even open that low - and I think they may have even closed up for the day. I agree with Irishsamurai's comment about the government destroying confidence if it tries to postpone the market open with futures LLD. Will we be LLD tomorrow morning? No idea, I'm not seeing the kind of exceptionally violent move in Asia that would make me think it will happen ... but all it takes is a white flag coming out of some bank in Europe to make it happen.

I will echo Gen's comment about a relief rally; yesterday's market data was nasty [>98% of stocks down, >9% of volume down; 7 stocks in NYSE/NASDAQ hitting 52-week highs, 2017 hitting 52-week lows] and it had that "get me out of here now" feel to it during midday. I'd like to try and jump in for that, but it could whipsaw in an instant - and I don't want to try to guess. The question is how big that bounce is going to be; trying to trade it could easily be like trying to catch a running chainsaw tumbling through the air.

Everything is going to boil down to the Fed statement in the afternoon; everyone is looking to government [the Fed] to do something and save things. My gut says if the Fed doesn't come out with a strong, forceful signal of coming action, the market nosedives instantly and threatens to trip a circuit breaker [1200 points in the red].
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don't forget fannie and freddie got downgraded, too.

we have got to give the bankers the **** you finger or if we take all this insolvent bull**** onto the federal books we truly will end up like argentina.
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